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mag 10/28/2025 12:35 AM

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can we promote chloe for mod

@AutoNick move up a bit maybe?

plsplpls0ls

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finally we get a discussion chat

oh there we go

we needed one of these

also we need the pin msg

12:36 AM

i have no idea what to do here

chill

12:36 AM

necter

i have no idea what to do here

dude

12:37 AM

simply bro down

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AutoNick pinned a message to this channel. 10/28/2025 12:44 AM

fire

okay now i can lock in

c

the discussions of c

c

i miss old discussion

only real ones remember

yall remember when we discussed

yall remember c

sounds familiar

i told y'all

3:35 AM

no brand new mods

lowk 1 mod splashes are chill

they be hype

chloe was just way too strong so we picked up her before she got emergency nerfs

Viprin

i told y'all

This guy man

4:00 AM

Gecko was right.

what’s the point of this brand new channel is it just general 2

4:37 AM

I’m confused

gecko

what’s the point of this brand new channel is it just general 2

It's just post-promotion fun

4:50 AM

It gets to usual in a bit

gecko

what’s the point of this brand new channel is it just general 2

We are discussing important matters here wdym

cparc (only urgent report tags)

We are discussing important matters here wdym

I don’t understand.

4:51 AM

look where i died last night

can you point it out more

Unfortunate

i cant tell what you died to

gecko

look where i died last night

I dont think you died to the bottom spike you are pointing at

Electro

I dont think you died to the bottom spike you are pointing at

ohh sorry

4:53 AM

i’ll buy a finger pointer stick thing

gecko

look where i died last night

goooooo

Chloe 🥀

goooooo

CHLOEE

1

Yeah u kinda pointed at the Wrong spike

gg c:

Cool channel idea

yeah idk why we didnt have this earlier

6:58 AM

seems useful

We should add a channel for the 2.208 changelog

Wild it took us thing long to have a dedicated discussion channel

so called free thinkers when the discussion channel gets refreshed

i thought people were hard vouching libra

8:06 AM

guess we're getting no pods (platformer mods) this time around

are classic mods cods

8:07 AM

no cause that'd be fricking stupid

yea i was wondering why libra didnt get the promo tbh as they were greatly vouched

plods

8:08 AM

wait there were apps???

8:08 AM

this guy

uan

are classic mods cods

do not abbreviate classic demons tho

clad

Lia

wait there were apps???

Scroll up

scroll down

Halapeenyo

Scroll up

you cannot ragebait me

1

scrolled up

Junkrat³

clad

necter

scroll down

this will be true in a month or two

disp

scrolled up

Too far

necter

yea i was wondering why libra didnt get the promo tbh as they were greatly vouched

afraid to say they either have hacked classic levels or there's a serious concern around them we don't even know about

well they aren't lb banned as of now

also are we not resetting the review levels

they aren't

Junkrat³

also are we not resetting the review levels

yea wanted to ask this too

8:11 AM

from what infra told me viprin usually had a pin with all level suggestions but seems this didnt happen this time around so i guess no?

Will do soon

well i got the answer LOL

Didn’t do this time since people used it to predict mods

8:12 AM

Since there were always promos when they changed

good choice tbh

cmg still be predicting it somehow

cmg didn’t predict cucu leaderboard sender

'sender'

nexis as always carrying all the braincells from cmg

AutoNick

cmg didn’t predict cucu leaderboard sender

is this a new in-game role

Leaked new mod

ngl i would've thought the mods were just lazy to find levels

LB sender (edited)

theres about 127 million levels they surely can find some

what does a LB sender do

send for leaderboard

Send leaderboards

8:14 AM

duh

send for epic leaderboard

aaaahh

8:15 AM

it was just that bvius

8:15 AM

my kb sti desnt wrk

send levels to leaderboards

Halapeenyo

Click to see attachment 🖼️

some of the best profile pictures in the game

nexis' pfp is like 10 years old atp

on that tho, infra suggested Splinter25, could be a good creator to have in the form for the levels

necter

nexis' pfp is like 10 years old atp

peak pfp

why dont we put krmals dont rate that level and make people tell what mistakes the level did

I remade it fr him with the 2.2 icns they use nw

nexis one has aura; nubot has too much going, if it was just cube on ufo, it'll be aura as well

Electro

cmg still be predicting it somehow

I think they just mention it every day after a month passes so eventually they will be right

true

we need a dont rate that level in platformer

8:17 AM

and its all mistakes from colons video

necter

why dont we put krmals dont rate that level and make people tell what mistakes the level did

are u really wanna start a fire?

of course

my oldest pfp, wtf was my icon set Skull

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6

This is heat

necter

of course

idm then

Electro

my oldest pfp, wtf was my icon set Skull

low quality, cube on ship, default gfx. my verdict:

man i cant find my old pfp

Electro

my oldest pfp, wtf was my icon set Skull

people should revert back to using these

8:21 AM

the community was a better place with those around

8:21 AM

now it's just anime and furries

8:21 AM

gross.

disp

people should revert back to using these

yes^

4y4 / chooch 🥀

afraid to say they either have hacked classic levels or there's a serious concern around them we don't even know about

damn:(

8:24 AM

when you find out i’d like to know what happened

1

Need more pfps like joris

hexagon’s is fire too lowkey

2

True

every new mod be like Mod

in they bio

every mod be sending levels nowadays

they should stop

i just stopped

8:36 AM

no more

necter

why dont we put krmals dont rate that level and make people tell what mistakes the level did

okay but real talk krmal would be a very cool creator choice for the form

quazeryicecube has a lot of nifty levels that imo would be cool

i remember when deadlocked was on the form that was dope

i had to review deadlocked for my app

cparc (only urgent report tags)

quazeryicecube has a lot of nifty levels that imo would be cool

omg yeah true

8:55 AM

i’d just love to see people review levels where it will be divisive in whether people like them or not

8:56 AM

most level picks have been epic+

i agree

8:57 AM

would be cool to throw a curveball in there

quazeryicecube would be a great pick

gecko

i’d just love to see people review levels where it will be divisive in whether people like them or not

you say that when we have had hot dog redux and bright

8:57 AM

8:58 AM

wrong reply meant to reply to the epic+ msg

dad mountain was such a random pick for a level

8:58 AM

lol

lmao i forgot about hot dog redux

8:58 AM

funny level

initially i had to review immortal iris

8:58 AM

then 2nd time around it was dash i think

8:58 AM

dash review was fun

robtop levels are good picks

yall are insane for hot dog redux what

8:59 AM

thats awesome

cparc (only urgent report tags)

you say that when we have had hot dog redux and bright

and worst level ever immortal iris

mag

dad mountain was such a random pick for a level

i kinda liked reviewing that one tbh

8:59 AM

not hard to find strengths and weaknesses

ye its a good pick but super random lol

yeah fair lol

cuz usually from what I see people bring up popular creators all the time so

eyle

and worst level ever immortal iris

right @Gusearth

mag

cuz usually from what I see people bring up popular creators all the time so

i can see why. this guy called himself the “mod form guy” when his level was in there

9:00 AM

lmao

Electro

my oldest pfp, wtf was my icon set Skull

LOL

cparc (only urgent report tags)

you say that when we have had hot dog redux and bright

ohh

9:02 AM

bright is an interesting one

9:02 AM

hdr is crazy

scarlet surge would be fire

though reviewing joke levels is a skill not many posses

9:02 AM

because you have to look past conventional qualities

they should make brighter

eyle

they should make brighter

im saying they bc sparks is not making a level in less than 2 years

gecko

because you have to look past conventional qualities

same goes for more story based stuff too, though i dont know any non-extremes that do this to a high degree off the top of my head

gecko

same goes for more story based stuff too, though i dont know any non-extremes that do this to a high degree off the top of my head

hi

thinking stuff like lovers sadness / the end is here

9:03 AM

no actual story told to you directly & left up for interpretation

Lia

wait there were apps???

buddy

eyle

hi

im not familiar enough with ur levels it seems

gecko

im not familiar enough with ur levels it seems

yea u should play them

AgCilver🥀

buddy

sorryyyyy

9:04 AM

i was playing too much pokemon

you have been locked in for weeks on that yeah

hiii @AgCilver🥀

9:05 AM

hru

since libra wasnt lb banned i am curious what the reason may be for waiting on them, guess we might find out next time

eyle

hiii @AgCilver🥀

im good! wbu :)

i lowkey didnt get to comment on it but i havent had the best experience with him

AgCilver🥀

im good! wbu :)

im good :) got the demo into a decent state

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eyle

i lowkey didnt get to comment on it but i havent had the best experience with him

oh?

gecko

since libra wasnt lb banned i am curious what the reason may be for waiting on them, guess we might find out next time

tbh was kinda expecting that cuz we havent talked about them much in general and the backing wasnt as insane as it was w/ chloe

they can easily get it later

9:08 AM

a lot of people vouched

eyle

right @Gusearth

LOL this list is so random

9:08 AM

we rly made them review hot dog redux

gecko

oh?

this is mostly about music but he has a tendency to be extremely over the top when getting even the smallest criticism its gotten me rly uncomfortable a few times

ic

Devilmine

tbh was kinda expecting that cuz we havent talked about them much in general and the backing wasnt as insane as it was w/ chloe

i got the opposite vibe i saw him super vouched

he responds to crticism well when its about building though lol

gecko

i got the opposite vibe i saw him super vouched

yea he was

didnt see anyone say anything bad abt him at the time and ik every plat person vouched tjem

9:09 AM

plus many more

mag

he responds to crticism well when its about building though lol

hm i see i told him a track he made was a bit muddy and could use some highs being brought up and he freaked out and started calling the track objectively bad and stuff and hhhhhhh

honestly we didnt talk about them too much mainly because it was a very quick & easy vouch for most

i think hes good for mod but i was a bit put off there

defo a very specific issue that u could prolly talk to him about

9:11 AM

seems a very reasonable guy

9:11 AM

maybe he lacks confidence in his music

maybe he had a worse moment i dont know, maybe it was also when he was newer to music so he didnt take criticism as well idk

gecko

maybe he lacks confidence in his music

i think this is the case

but I see what you mean yea

bc he uses like quick hacks for mixing,,,, so doesn't know how to do it himself

9:12 AM

so when i told him something in the mix was off it was a bit if an oh ahit moment

9:13 AM

as i said i think hes fine im just personally a bit unsure about that situation

that’s completely fair

we all have our off days

9:14 AM

id like to give them the benefit of the doubt

AgCilver🥀

id like to give them the benefit of the doubt

yea that's why i said im not antivouching

i didnt know bro made music

✨mbed✨

i didnt know bro made music

he made all the music for his level Death of the Divine i think

hes also making tracks for arcturan

✨mbed✨

i didnt know bro made music

mbed this is becoming a trend smh

Just got this level DMED https://youtu.be/wrBX36nXAKw

DragoonGD

VERIFIED | "EXpo" 100% (Extreme Demon) by @DEcobii

12:10 PM

this is literally just exactly the same as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlnOAPf86Ug

Renn241

So I Made a 40 Second Extreme Demon "EXPLICIT" by Renn241 (Showcase)

12:11 PM

well not exactly but basically near identical, they said they used "Some aspects as inspiration" but this is definitely too far no

Devilmine

well not exactly but basically near identical, they said they used "Some aspects as inspiration" but this is definitely too far no

the gameplay all the way down to the last click is identical in style. and the flash loops as well as structuring is essentially 1:1. definitely way too far IMO

Definitely goes too far for my liking as well. Literally feels like the "copy my homework but change a couple things" meme, but as a level.

defo would be good to leave a comment

100% ^

eyle

hm i see i told him a track he made was a bit muddy and could use some highs being brought up and he freaked out and started calling the track objectively bad and stuff and hhhhhhh

he just has too little ego

2:56 PM

i have talked to him about being more confident in his work

2:56 PM

since hes quite a talented fellow

Joris

he just has too little ego

mhm ic ic

3:36 PM

i wasn't aware

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3:36 PM

good initiative imo (edited)

gecko

defo would be good to leave a comment

Did so

To be honest I was kinda hoping vLibra would get promoted since we've been generally positive the past two discussions of his and there wasn't anything highlighted that's bad about him apart from activity concerns, which we noted as improving, and certain wording in the app which wasn't all that big of a deal either

3:57 PM

I get the backing wasn't as insane as chloe due to lesser familiarity but it's not like we haven't promoted people who aren't as widely known as long as we got a few pretty good vouches from those who know them

i mean this happened last time with renn right

4:09 PM

but people had issues that had to be mentioned in private

4:09 PM

whast to say that didnt happen here

4:09 PM

if it didnt happen there was very likely a reason

yes

4:17 PM

+ no reason in sulking about someone not getting promoted this time around

4:17 PM

can always discuss them next time

cparc (only urgent report tags)

+ no reason in sulking about someone not getting promoted this time around

Yea I was about to say, why recently after every mod wave, there's a big discussion of people telling their disappointement about the wave

Tbh, doesn't really come across as sulking, more as a "Man, kinda wish it went different". At least to me, sulking is more like, behavioral change.

But also now that we're talking about it, vLibra confessed to me that he's admin in cmg but also inactive in the server, and all the things in his form were from a while (edited)

4:21 PM

so yea there's kinda an activity issue especially in mod stuff (edited)

Dont see much harm in expressing it, so long as it's done respectfully, ya know? Yeah, Libra is def more active privately than in servers these days. They don't really have much presence outwardly, but it has been on an incline for a while, which has been nice to see.

RavingRafters

Dont see much harm in expressing it, so long as it's done respectfully, ya know? Yeah, Libra is def more active privately than in servers these days. They don't really have much presence outwardly, but it has been on an incline for a while, which has been nice to see.

yea but like, imagine you get promoted and half of the active mods are talking about how the wave could've been better if there were someone else

4:24 PM

it's kinda embarassing for the new mods

I mean, if you are devaluing their promotion, doesn't really fall under the umbrella of being respectful, imo. It's more of like, I guess my interpretation is something along the lines of "woulda been kinda neat to see more people get it," if that makes sense. I know I'm not explaining what I mean the best, but hope it's enough to understand it lol

I mean this happened with nexters wave, and we had a discussion to not do this

4:27 PM

We can discuss it at a later stage

Tbh, I didnt really tap in until like a day or two had already passed, so I didn't know we had any precedent on saying anything at all. Im mostly just sayin the way I see it, and the intent behind it.

Thats fair, im just commenting from what i remember

AgCilver🥀

I mean this happened with nexters wave, and we had a discussion to not do this

this one has a very different vibe to it at least to me

6:42 PM

the chat pretty much erupted into “no <person x>?? no <person y>??” but this one is more “i wonder what the reason is”

I think people get it way too into their head that someone's definitely going to get mod just because the 4 or 5 people who were talking at a given moment liked someone's app

6:54 PM

watched this discussion happen at least 5 times before almost any of you were here

gecko

the chat pretty much erupted into “no <person x>?? no <person y>??” but this one is more “i wonder what the reason is”

yea thats the biggest difference in all of this discourse i think

Tony

I think people get it way too into their head that someone's definitely going to get mod just because the 4 or 5 people who were talking at a given moment liked someone's app

i think it’s reasonable to be curious why someone widely agreed upon in the public discussion channel didn’t get chosen (edited)

gecko

the chat pretty much erupted into “no <person x>?? no <person y>??” but this one is more “i wonder what the reason is”

kinda where my mind was at but i guess the way i said it came off shitty

7:45 PM

apologies

I personally wasnt really mad or sad that people were curious about other people not getting it, too, as I think its only natural to be curious about the outcome

inf

kinda where my mind was at but i guess the way i said it came off shitty

i think the way u said it was mostly fine, just was interpreted differently by some others

How could I be mad when I got picked haha

For the record i wasn't tuned in to the prior wave discussion but I did get a rough understanding that there was confusion as to why an individual who was generally vouched in favor of didn't get selected

i'm just assuming there wasn't much demand for a lot of new mods to begin with

7:50 PM

and there's nothing inherently 'wrong' with libra

Junkrat³

i'm just assuming there wasn't much demand for a lot of new mods to begin with

nah i think there would be a good reason not to

7:50 PM

but like last time it seems we wont be told for a while

7:50 PM

even if there’s not a lot of demand for new mods overall, there is definitely some for plat focused mods

7:51 PM

and libra has everything people want in one

To be fair though I agree with the sentiment that we don't need to have a lot more mods than what we have currently as our team is already pretty strong, and chloe was definitely the strongest candidate by a mile compared to everyone else

yeah for sure

I guess my concern was wondering what might cause a person who has a decent amount of ppl in favor without much contest may not get selected for that wave, since I'm pretty used to seeing the pattern of a good chunk being in favor -> promoted shortly after

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7:55 PM

Not really my concern at the end of the day

Yo, can someone send all the tags of all the iCookie discord alts

8:00 PM

If yall know em at least

gecko

i think it’s reasonable to be curious why someone widely agreed upon in the public discussion channel didn’t get chosen (edited)

we have different definitions of "widely"

8:09 PM

I'm certain that of whoever was participating in the convo

Tony

we have different definitions of "widely"

i mean in terms of what’s publicly said here, pretty much everyone’s vouch list thing contained libra

it was widely agreed upon

8:09 PM

my point is

this was not just during the convo

just because a small selection of this server feels positively about someone doesn't necesitate that they be promoted immediately

i agree with that but it’s just that it’s new to me since the first couple of waves everyone “widely” vouched for was promoted in the end

8:11 PM

last time with nexters wave there were private concerns

8:11 PM

so just was curious abt this time

8:11 PM

i’ve only witnessed 3 or 4 waves now i forget how many

could be any number of reasons most of which are probably innocuous

8:12 PM

could literally just be that rob and viprin didnt want to promote a bunch of people

8:12 PM

that's just conjecture not a factual statement

possible but just didnt think that was smth that may happen considering my past experience w/ the waves so far

8:13 PM

i’m still trial mod helper

right and the thing I said immediately after what you replied to is that I've witnessed this conversation happen before

8:13 PM

more than once

8:13 PM

it just happens

gecko

i’m still trial mod helper

rating baby Easy

(edited)

the existence of someone who might make a good mod and some support behind them does not necessitate them being promoted

8:14 PM

and it may have nothing to do with that person

fair yea

appreciate it tony

what did ROB TOP GAMES say while playing RIICHI MAHJONG "you're after my DORA TILE aren't you? ha! you will never RON it! just don't DEAL too far, here be WHITE DRAGONS"

wait bars

what

10:27 AM

@Colon are you better at riichi mahjong than Ryan "Northernlion" Letourneau

probably around the same

10:28 AM

im very entertained by him

Wait that's goat

hey, this was pretty old but wkgames tried to doxx umbra through in-game messages

3:46 PM

do y'all think this would warrant an account disable

3:46 PM

or something along those lines

3:47 PM

i might reach out to rob but 7 months ago is kinda wack (edited)

not sure if it’s worthy of an account disable considering it’s 7 months old tbh

he is a generally problematic person tbh

3:48 PM

u could always just bring it up to rob and ask for his opinion on it

3:48 PM

doxxing is kinda crazy

he didn't even get it right

3:48 PM

but it is wild

Devilmine

he is a generally problematic person tbh

I agree but he’s also been dead for 2 months

3:48 PM

so idrk

tbf thoo

3:49 PM

it doesnt seem like actually trying to "dox"

3:49 PM

rather just mentioning "yo be careful"

3:49 PM

but idk how their status is

that as well, tho it’s very poorly worded

if they dont like each other or smth

I just don’t think banning him over a 7-month old message (which could be interpreted as not doxxing) meanwhile he hasn’t done anything problematic for the past few months to my knowledge seems a bit harsh

Devilmine

it doesnt seem like actually trying to "dox"

no wkgames has random beef with everyone

3:51 PM

they def aren't friends

tho ultimately i don’t rly care that much if he does get disabled

umbra went to me with concern

Yeah, wkgames gets into beef a lot

4:00 PM

like 2, maybe 3 weeks ago he sent a friend of mine some more generic hater stuff, so I imagine he's still somewhat active about this, just not as publicly as before.

i don’t think there’s anything wrong with informing rob about a user’s negative history even if their actions were a while ago. Don’t think any other action needs to be taken at this point in time but I feel we can collectively agree that wkgames is not a pleasant individual to be around and does’t give any regards to others’ concerns about his behavior.

i think its fine to inform rob about past actions provided they still behave that way

4:06 PM

to back up as evidence

4:06 PM

in this case wkgames remains problematic so i think its fine to bring up

4:06 PM

that being said

4:07 PM

this message could be considered pretty innocent

4:07 PM

they didnt need to name drop sure

4:07 PM

but it could have been a genuine message to inform the receiver

4:07 PM

not giving them the benefit of the doubt but i wouldnt immediately jump to the negative

noooo my goat

11:47 AM

tbf my goat is rlly horrible wkgames has been homophobic in the past

Ur goat is washed

12:02 PM

calling wkgames goat is very hot take ngl

6

im surprised anyone likes that guy

12:41 PM

my first ever impression of them was terrible and every time i’ve seen them mentioned it’s been a new drama they’re stirring for no good reason

wkgames is awesome

I dont think we should encourage his behavior

I have no idea what he did tbh, the only thing I know is that 7ak doxxed him and made fun on him publicly on twitter for some reasons, and I really disapprove 7aks's behavior no matter what wkgames did (edited)

I only know everyone say he's bad

one key thing i remember is him advocating for the unban of “SteamySoles” who was outed as a pedophile, he made a response thread “debunking” the accusations only to still double down on wanting steamysoles unbanned

Tygore 🥀

I have no idea what he did tbh, the only thing I know is that 7ak doxxed him and made fun on him publicly on twitter for some reasons, and I really disapprove 7aks's behavior no matter what wkgames did (edited)

Huh I didnt know 7ak did that

1:27 PM

Thats a shame

7ak set mods on fire

I'm pretty sure WKGames also had beef with eyle

1:51 PM

Can't remember what it was about but I remember the first somewhat harassing the latter

1:51 PM

Would love for someone to correct me if I'm wrong though

1:51 PM

I'm sure they got banned from V+P because of it, at least partly

DreamEater

I'm pretty sure WKGames also had beef with eyle

This is correct. They spent a good chunk of time harassing eyle, if I recall, it started because of "Go You" and would basically lead to them being banned in several places, including the hyperbolus website.

I have only seen bad things when it comes to them. There is a non gd related discord server that I'm on and apparently even there they have a bad reputation, as they got banned for something like abusive comments towards another player.

Electro

I have only seen bad things when it comes to them. There is a non gd related discord server that I'm on and apparently even there they have a bad reputation, as they got banned for something like abusive comments towards another player.

That's wild

2:18 PM

Afaik they're also banned from the gd twitter community

RavingRafters

This is correct. They spent a good chunk of time harassing eyle, if I recall, it started because of "Go You" and would basically lead to them being banned in several places, including the hyperbolus website.

from what I remembered it was his arg level where wkgames kept incessantly spamming a link to a completion in the comments

2:38 PM

despite pahc stating he doesn't want people uploading full completions so they can figure it out themselves

iirc it wasnt even really a completion

2:40 PM

it was using a code to basically skip playing the level

ah

2:43 PM

even worse then

Scavenge by GingusGongus 714884

1point0 Gauntlet by SkullyHop 928012

8:01 AM

SHIVER ME TIMBERS by TheAstrality 732920

i am so excited to see these lists rated in 2027

Lia

i am so excited to see these lists rated in 2027

that’s generous

9:46 AM

lists & auto levels fighting for the least commonly rated things

gecko

lists & auto levels fighting for the least commonly rated things

whats our current policy on short lvls?

10:50 AM

i know a few 3 star short lvls got rated recently but i dont know about other diffs

10:51 AM

by recently i mean like months ago lol

if it's a good level send it lol

10:51 AM

demons might be a bit problematic tho (?)

yeah if you think its good you can send it and its upto rob

10:52 AM

just be sure to be considerate of its quality for how long it is

10:52 AM

i guess? x3

landon🌹

whats our current policy on short lvls?

from what I know demons under 30s cant get rated due to how the anticheat with them works (?) but maybe thats different now

10:53 AM

but non demons are like fine theyve been rated a bunch under 30s

so as long as its not a demon its good? thats a fuckin deal

10:55 AM

twiggy doublr release goes hard

fire

10:56 AM

I would only send a lvl under 30s if its like seriously good and has a reason to be so short

10:56 AM

cause its like so easy to make a level that short thats like 2 parts

yea i try to have discretion too

10:58 AM

i think the song being short and the lvl being framed as an interlude is enough for me but im sure lots of ppl will disagree

10:58 AM

hyped to see the comments lele

People cry to lower the rate standard until a level of lower quality gets rated then they get upset about it

Chloe 🥀

but non demons are like fine theyve been rated a bunch under 30s

a bunch is a bit of a stretch

11:02 AM

but its happened

11:02 AM

in recent times

11:04 AM

theres only 8 short length levels in awarded

11:04 AM

the hardest of which is 4*

11:04 AM

even tho xmas challenge is def harder and 2*

✨mbed✨

a bunch is a bit of a stretch

eh i guess it was a lot at once and then people kind of stopped

11:08 AM

like people dont make them anymore

11:09 AM

but when they were made almost all the rate worthy ones did get rated

✨mbed✨

even tho xmas challenge is def harder and 2*

this is because of anticheat i think

11:17 AM

which is fixed now

Tygore 🥀

I have no idea what he did tbh, the only thing I know is that 7ak doxxed him and made fun on him publicly on twitter for some reasons, and I really disapprove 7aks's behavior no matter what wkgames did (edited)

he literally didnt doxx him he just said itd be funny if someone did

12:07 PM

and wkgames made a massive deal out of it (edited)

Chloe 🥀

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Seen this gif so many times and still don't know who these 2 are

12:12 PM

kobe bryant & shaquille o neal

eyle

he literally didnt doxx him he just said itd be funny if someone did

Mb yea, I just checked and I think this is the thing that made me think he doxxed him

But it's still a very immature behavior, and a form of harrasment

yeah i agree 7aks behaviour can be obnoxious tbh

I remember him very enjoying a level and telling it on twitter, and he replied this to every people that were saying they didn't like the level

ak is very stupid but wk is really frustrating to deal with and this isnt rly an ak discussion

gonna prank rob when he rates more lists

gonna prank rob at the next auto rate wave

gonna prank rob when he updates gd

Colon

gonna prank rob when he rates more lists

did you do it

8:54 PM

when new list rates drop and i haven't completed any of them already

8:54 PM

sakura ♡

gonna prank rob when he updates gd

im so convinced this is why he delayed the random gauntlet

8:55 PM

viprin i know its false but like

8:55 PM

im so convinced this is why he delayed the random gauntlet

good theory

please look forward to rhythm doctor 1.0 which drops december 6 and will probably be before 2.2075

is that game not even out yet

9:00 PM

bruh

lolll

i feel like ive heard ppl talk about this for a good while so i thought it was out

same

9:07 PM

even had collabs and stuff

wild i thought the same

yea its out in EA

9:23 PM

we're just finishing story mode

9:24 PM

i spent like 8 hours on a stupid ass editor feature do it for me

dang i didnt know rhythm doctor was in EA for so long

9:36 PM

congrats to u and the rest of the team

my funniest contribution by far is just adding this setting

Idk if you guys have noticed this or not but I'm kinda seeing that pepethegod has been very much leaning into the whole "making the same level over and over again" thing

3:20 AM

Idk how comfortable I am sending more of their levels unless they branch out

Creators tend to find their own styles and enjoy building im various ways. You don't have to send any level if you don't want to.

really up to the mod's decision on this matter, i just tend to dink their send rating most often

I will say though idm "another pepe level" as much bc I kinda fw the backwards and forwards bit at the drop

3:24 AM

But if you're gonna stick to one specfic style I'd prefer to see it all put into 1 XL level rather than a bunch of medium length non-demons being churned out

3:25 AM

Not something I like encouraging yknow

ngl i feel like that's a majority of the rated tab recently

Maybe it's just me, but it kind of sounds like you're asking for permission to not send a level from someone when really it's just up to you in the end whether or not you'd like to send it.

3:25 AM

Just based off of observation and your phrasing.

Oh then that's just my wording

3:27 AM

I was moreso just pointing out an issue I had and wanted to explain to others just incase they have a similar mindset to me but aren't really aware about pepe (edited)

3:27 AM

And also I like discussing this stuff bc it's interesting to hear other viewpoints

Whizkid05

Idk if you guys have noticed this or not but I'm kinda seeing that pepethegod has been very much leaning into the whole "making the same level over and over again" thing

they only started creating about some 10 months ago so i think it's natural for them to want to keep building something they saw success in, since they're still very new to the scene

I can see that, yeah. Personally for me I don't mind people who stick to one style. Even if they don't branch out a whole lot. Ironically I am that type of creator, but regardless I mainly focus on gameplay if anything. From how I view it though if in this example Pepe likes building in that style it's more than fine. Especially if they don't really want to branch out too much. Whether or not you feel that's send worthy is up to you.

3:34 AM

That's the beauty of opinions after all.

3:34 AM

Fr

i do get it tho

3:35 AM

it is hard to see creators fall into the same loop especially when you see high potential in them

Whizkid05

Idk if you guys have noticed this or not but I'm kinda seeing that pepethegod has been very much leaning into the whole "making the same level over and over again" thing

definitely, at the end of the day its up to you. for me, i usually reject creators who only build the same things over and over again

3:35 AM

pepe is def entering this category for me

i'm sure they'll develop their skills and switch it up as they gain more experience

3:36 AM

their stuff is still really nice considering how little they've been building for

i will say i have seen pepe now and then try to do something new but its not too much that they do that (edited)

imo

but if they've only been building for less than a year like

3:36 AM

they arent doing bad at all

the thing is that they're starting to enter this loop of "why should i put more effort when i can get rates by doing the same thing" lowkey in my eyes

3:37 AM

same loop as smolkeros has entered

i can see that

although far from as egregious

3:37 AM

but i could see them not wanting to branch out because of it

3:37 AM

free features and dailies

well guess it would just be good for us when they request their levels to provide feedback to try and help them experiment a bit more (if they so wish to experiment) (edited)

ye

i have done that but they seemed to take none of it because their newer stuff continues in the same trend

3:38 AM

a bit sad to see

arcanin

the thing is that they're starting to enter this loop of "why should i put more effort when i can get rates by doing the same thing" lowkey in my eyes

I guess some creators do think this way, yeah. Unfortunately that's what happens to almost all creators who build in their preferred styles.

i think a good next step for their levels is to work on intensity at their drop parts

"You're doing this for creator points"

I personally dont mind sticking to one style unless the person just does it strictly for their points to go up. I also give bonus points for experimentation if the creator does it with a style theyre familiar with

yeh

Always love me unique takes on things

SwtCyn

I guess some creators do think this way, yeah. Unfortunately that's what happens to almost all creators who build in their preferred styles.

Or rather let me correct myself here. Creators who don't even do it really for the creator points get shoved in that category.

necter

I personally dont mind sticking to one style unless the person just does it strictly for their points to go up. I also give bonus points for experimentation if the creator does it with a style theyre familiar with

to me, pepe is entering this category

SwtCyn

Or rather let me correct myself here. Creators who don't even do it really for the creator points get shoved in that category.

I mean as I said before in cases like this I'm kinda just like "Make an XL"

SwtCyn

Or rather let me correct myself here. Creators who don't even do it really for the creator points get shoved in that category.

Yea it's kinda hard to tell that if you don't know the person so people just put that label on anyone who makes a lot of levels

not much experimentation, same designs/colors, flavorless levels, almost no energy

More to build and have fun building without the issue of having a bunch of individual levels pumped out

a lot of these newer creators who are stuck in this loop don't understand that since they've amassed a lot of creator points and made a name for themselves, they can experiment a lot and still most likely get their levels rated

Whizkid05

I mean as I said before in cases like this I'm kinda just like "Make an XL"

And that's a completely fair viewpoint, but what most people don't take into consideration is that not everyone has the same ideals.

3:41 AM

Creators like me for example like using the same style, but with different songs.

a lot of people dont want to put the work to experiment because they're not sure if they'll succeed unlike the style theyve done countless times

3:41 AM

scared of failing

So it's the same, but different if that makes sense.

I think it's not being scared of failing but rather inability to create in other styles

changing up the song makes very little difference

necter

Yea it's kinda hard to tell that if you don't know the person so people just put that label on anyone who makes a lot of levels

Mhm.

necter

I think it's not being scared of failing but rather inability to create in other styles

both rly

id rather a creator do different visuals with the same song every time than same visuals with different songs lol

they see this as a waste of time

cparc (only urgent report tags)

changing up the song makes very little difference

I more or less meant that various creators may enjoy building in their respective styles with different songs more than experimenting.

SwtCyn

Creators like me for example like using the same style, but with different songs.

Sure but even then you could do a free for all 2 situation and use multiple in 1 level

3:44 AM

I've been sent like 1 maybe 2 non demon levels that have tried smth like that

SwtCyn

I more or less meant that various creators may enjoy building in their respective styles with different songs more than experimenting.

ye, that still doesn't stop them from trying to expand their style a little, even with stuff like longer levels etc

3:44 AM

let the level develop and progress more

Whizkid05

Sure but even then you could do a free for all 2 situation and use multiple in 1 level

Wait wdym?

personally just think its unhealthy to always stick to what you are comfortable with, regardless of anything

I'm lowkey tired that made no sense to me I'm sorry.

i was in that boat back in 2018-2019 when i finally found a style that worked, like every level i made looked the same

but i got to a point where i wanted to see where i could develop that style and what other styles i could get good at (edited)

AgCilver🥀

personally just think its unhealthy to always stick to what you are comfortable with, regardless of anything

It can definitely make you dependant on said thing which I think isn't great

SwtCyn

Wait wdym?

Free for all 2 is an extreme demon megacollab where instead of making everyone build to one song they let all the creators pick their own song and fuck around

AgCilver🥀

personally just think its unhealthy to always stick to what you are comfortable with, regardless of anything

it is, but some people dont think that way because they'll get what they want at the end of the day regardless (in this context creator points)

Unless you are a very good creator and you just want to chill it should be a big priority to branch out and get comfortable with other things

cparc (only urgent report tags)

let the level develop and progress more

Yeah even I struggle with this. I mean most of my friends see it all the time. I do agree in a sense that creating can be quite the mental game.

3:47 AM

My recent rated level "Echoes Of The Void" used a challenging song for me and it was hard for me to continue it after a certain part of the song.

But this can apply to solo levels too, where a creator uses multiple songs in 1 level so they still get to build in the way they want while also making the level longer and feel more like a showcase of them having fun and doing whatever as oppsosed to many individual non-demons that feel like they're built for stats and not much else

Most saw that as me being lazy when that simply wasn't the case.

arcanin

it is, but some people dont think that way because they'll get what they want at the end of the day regardless (in this context creator points)

fair

SwtCyn

My recent rated level "Echoes Of The Void" used a challenging song for me and it was hard for me to continue it after a certain part of the song.

it can be frustrating seeing creators do this type of stuff especially if you see a lot of potential in them

Whizkid05

Free for all 2 is an extreme demon megacollab where instead of making everyone build to one song they let all the creators pick their own song and fuck around

Oh I see, that makes more sense. Interesting concept although could lead to inconsistency.

SwtCyn

Oh I see, that makes more sense. Interesting concept although could lead to inconsistency.

Tbf if the level's theme is inconsistency then idm

3:49 AM

I actually really like seeing levels that kinda just do whatever they want

3:49 AM

It's why I like levels like horros

Whizkid05

Tbf if the level's theme is inconsistency then idm

Sometimes people do use this as an excuse though.

3:50 AM

I've noticed it a few times at least.

3:50 AM

It'll be a full modern level and then some random glow part.

SwtCyn

It'll be a full modern level and then some random glow part.

In fairness that sounds really funny

3:50 AM

In a solo level at least

id argue people excuse making the same thing over and over again a bit more

3:51 AM

inconsistent stuff can be cool

cparc (only urgent report tags)

inconsistent stuff can be cool

Fsfs.

has a lot of charm and character

If a level tries to have a specific theme and is incosistent with that then I kinda have an issue but if if the whole point of the level is to have no specific theme then that's fine

like those older megacollabs where everyone was told to just make whatever

3:52 AM

fire

Like for example I really like krazyman50's instinct because it kinda just feels like the whole theme is "yellow" and not much else. It results in a collab where every part is unique and memorable as the creators had the freedom to do what they please

3:52 AM

Those are my favourite kind of megacollabs

ye

I do want to make something different though, but I don't want to at the same time because for me it's like "I'm only doing this to appease others", yk? (edited)

3:54 AM

Which could also be the same mindset other creator's have.

From my perspective

3:54 AM

And I know I haven't made any proper levels yet but I have plans to eventually

Personally ive just always found it fun to try something new everytime i make a level (edited)

Same

Is that every level I'd make would be because I had a specific idea in mind that I was passionate about and wanted to execute

3:55 AM

So in that sense everything I'd build would look different from each other bc they'd all be seperate ideas

If I dont put in something unique or try to experiment in my level I just dont see it as a worthwhile thing, in my case

necter

If I dont put in something unique or try to experiment in my level I just dont see it as a worthwhile thing, in my case

Oh see, I'm lowkey so different.

But when it comes to the mindset of just building for the sake of building it just kinda takes away the soul for me

I'm like "Well I've made it this far, just try and finish it the best you can".

Which is why half of my stuff is complete garbage haha

I think I'm in that same boat.

Whizkid05

But when it comes to the mindset of just building for the sake of building it just kinda takes away the soul for me

Unless of course it's as I mentioned before a pure "Let's fuck around with random ideas" type level (edited)

AgCilver🥀

Personally ive just always found it fun to try something new everytime i make a level (edited)

same boat with you

necter

Which is why half of my stuff is complete garbage haha

I will say though on of the worst feelings (for me at least) is when you do try something different and others say it's your best work yet. I don't know what it is, but it makes me feel like garbage every time.

Whizkid05

But when it comes to the mindset of just building for the sake of building it just kinda takes away the soul for me

ive definitely grown to be the same way now that im older, but when i was younger i made sooo many levels and loved just making simple little levels for the sake of just finishing another level

I'm like "Damn. I guess my other levels are really that bad now, huh? sad

"

which is probably the same way a lot of creators feel still bc theyre most likely just teenagers with a lot of freetime like i was

3:59 AM

ykwim

4:00 AM

like at 14 i wasnt very worried about making some masterpiece or experimenting with my style too much it was more just Yay i made a level

SwtCyn

I'm like "Damn. I guess my other levels are really that bad now, huh? sad

"

I can see why you might be feeling that but I personally see that as a sign that I'm still improving

4:01 AM

At the end of the day each person has unique tastes

For sure.

4:02 AM

It's very weird overall being a creator.

4:02 AM

I don't know, after over 8 years of building it's just.

4:02 AM

Whack.

Things have definitely changed but tbf I dont mind that at all

theres definitely nothing wrong with encouraging a creator to try new things if u see the potential in them to do things better, but i totally understand people just sticking to a similar formula because thats how they enjoy creating

3

I just do my thing when I have time and willpower

Hychie

theres definitely nothing wrong with encouraging a creator to try new things if u see the potential in them to do things better, but i totally understand people just sticking to a similar formula because thats how they enjoy creating

And i think thats what makes creating so cool like, people will approach it differently, and people will appreciate different aspects and everything

Hychie

theres definitely nothing wrong with encouraging a creator to try new things if u see the potential in them to do things better, but i totally understand people just sticking to a similar formula because thats how they enjoy creating

It can also be rather cool because it's like "Oh I want to build in this creator's style!" Kind of thing and gaining inspiration from other people's styles comfortable or not is awesome.

4:07 AM

Doesn't matter how simple or complex the style is.

4:08 AM

I'm sure everyone here has experienced that sort of thing since most of us are creators.

4:08 AM

Even when we weren't creators too btw

4:08 AM

"I'd like to build like this some day."

4:09 AM

I don't know, I think that's just what makes creating special to me.

4:11 AM

Oh yikes, I just realized it's 6 in the morning and I didn't sleep. I'm going to try and sleep a little goodnight/morning all. SleepGirl_Dw

4:12 AM

Bottom line though, send what ya like x)

gn buddy

4:12 AM

also yeah i agree with what was said, creating whatever u want is so fun regardless of if its "unique" or not

4:12 AM

the editor is just peak

I miss the feeling of getting a rated level lol

inf

I miss the feeling of getting a rated level lol

that feeling is very absent ...

VRO

5:11 AM

hey guys, thoughts on this? zeronium dmed me asking if i could help get this buffdate reverted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nr4aNdCdoo this got buffed a fair bit and I think it didnt get reverted just because nobody really noticed, but it is pretty detrimental and actually tanked the levels enjoyment by quite a lot. will see if this could possibly get reverted as its been a big complaint in some places (its just buffed to be harder and has no sort of visual changes)

GDiagonal

[Extreme Demon] "HAPPY PILLS" Buffdate (Verified) by Arturlist | G...

8:22 AM

this is a currently rated extreme btw

this level was brought up during the discussion of reverting Jupiter My Favourite

8:24 AM

and the reason it wasnt acted upon was the verifiers difficulty opinion was the same difficulty range as the old version

8:24 AM

which is not a good thing to go off

8:24 AM

its much harder

yeah i think thats unreliable and very biased so imo with the knowledge known now that its much harder it should be reverted, but idk if its "too late" cause it has been a month or so

we tried at least 5 times in modchat to revert dimensional breaking and that never happened so i dont know how to answer that

8:26 AM

that only got updated because the creator did it

Lia

we tried at least 5 times in modchat to revert dimensional breaking and that never happened so i dont know how to answer that

I think in the end it was changed with the JMF thing

right

Considering Rob just isn't quite aware how big difficulty gaps were

8:26 AM

i remember there being something in that regard

I guess this probably just isnt a big enough situation for rob to want to deal with it but i was told about how bad the update is so would be nice to see something done about it

I wanted to check how much harder it is at some point but forgot

8:27 AM

Do u have a reference frame of how much harder it is atm

will check current ops vs old placement (easy tier)

Also how many ppl actually beat the new version

okay theres been ONE victor and apparently that opinion alone has got it raised up 300 spots on aredl

Chloe 🥀

okay theres been ONE victor and apparently that opinion alone has got it raised up 300 spots on aredl

That's basically and near entry extreme going to a bit easier than bloodbath diff

8:31 AM

i think

near entry (beginner ish) going to solidly hard tier

8:33 AM

so tbf thats like really big

8:33 AM

also just did a prac run and i think i have decent judgment that it is nowhere near beginner-easy

tbh i dont think its an insane jump that truly 100% warrants a revert lowkey

8:34 AM

we shouldn't police every update like that if it isn't something absurd like JMF where it went up a significant exponential amount of difficulty

8:35 AM

in a case like this it was an update made while update locks weren't applied to the level and it going difficulty wise not as far as stuff like Dimensional Breaking or JMF

8:35 AM

personally unsure about this specifically but also don't know what rob would think about it

it was a similar tier jump to dimensional breaking, both went up by 3-4 tiers

8:35 AM

either way im not bothered by it myself but i have gotten complaints so ig might aswell bring it up

8:36 AM

i personally dont think buffdates like this should slide just cause it really frustrates ppl understandably so

Imo I think levels should be update locked month after getting a rate or so

8:37 AM

And you can update it only if you contact an elder

Chloe 🥀

it was a similar tier jump to dimensional breaking, both went up by 3-4 tiers

didn't dimensional Breaking get like buffed from easy -> terrifying or smth insane

vht -> relentless

What is terrifying

That is a significant jump on difficulty

it is, but equally as significant as beginner -> hard/vht

These custom difficulty names are so silly

both are like 4 tier jumps

necter

What is terrifying

its just the difficulty notation the Non Listworthy Spreadsheet uses for extremes

necter

These custom difficulty names are so silly

its just tiers theyre put in

which is the most accurate sampling of difficulty for extremes the game has rlly

Chloe 🥀

it is, but equally as significant as beginner -> hard/vht

I would heavily argue that a jump between the latter is significantly more than the former tho

8:39 AM

especially because it was high beginner/low easy -> high hard

8:40 AM

Going from BB -> Sonic Wave difficulty is quite insane to say the least

idk personally its just a buff bad enough to warrant being reverted, cause keeping it like this can normalize it which can set a bad precedent cause extreme demon creators can sometimes not be the smartest with their levels

tbh agree but i dont think its the worst case ever seen but i do think it should maybe be brought up to rob by vip or smth and see what he thinks

necter

Imo I think levels should be update locked month after getting a rate or so

Ye maybe 3 months should be a max time before ppl need to request

8:43 AM

Though it should probably first be better explained in game

necter

Imo I think levels should be update locked month after getting a rate or so

I highly agree too tbh

Instead of an error message you get an actual explanation (edited)

Oh ye definitely

There's genuinely not much of a reason that u have to update a level 3 months later still

Generally I feel like a lot of things could be explained in-game more

8:43 AM

But thatd be a good start

There probably are good reasons but that's why people can contact elder mods to unlock (edited)

8:44 AM

Makes more sense

Devilmine

There's genuinely not much of a reason that u have to update a level 3 months later still

Usually yea... until someone discovers a secret way :nails

Than to be reverting every weird update constantly (edited)

Not sure if Im cooking or not but it'd be cool to contact elders in-game about this stuff

8:45 AM

Actually nvm

8:45 AM

You can just DM them in-game I forgot that exists LOL

necter

Imo I think levels should be update locked month after getting a rate or so

I have had moments where i wanted to make tiny updates to a level like 1-2 months later and i know im not alone on that, so unsure if t hat would be a good idea esp since elders would get like 10x more update lock requests as a result of this

8:46 AM

but maybe

necter

Not sure if Im cooking or not but it'd be cool to contact elders in-game about this stuff

My messages are already spammed with people who say that they got unfairly banned because their brother said the N-Word in daily chat (it wasn't their brother)

8:46 AM

so maybe not

Chloe 🥀

I have had moments where i wanted to make tiny updates to a level like 1-2 months later and i know im not alone on that, so unsure if t hat would be a good idea esp since elders would get like 10x more update lock requests as a result of this

Maybe it could be a special case for demons

Devilmine

My messages are already spammed with people who say that they got unfairly banned because their brother said the N-Word in daily chat (it wasn't their brother)

Wow theyre using the same exact excuse at Globed

8:47 AM

They go into our appeals and say their account got hacked or their younger brother played on it

necter

They go into our appeals and say their account got hacked or their younger brother played on it

Its just the most average excuse ever

8:48 AM

Some people REALLY get creative though

8:49 AM

Only for them to self report themselves that theyre gonna make an alt account

Devilmine

tbh agree but i dont think its the worst case ever seen but i do think it should maybe be brought up to rob by vip or smth and see what he thinks

after jmf vip did tell us to bring up any bad cases

9:19 AM

i did mention happy pills back then too however at the time the opinions were barely a tier above the original placement so didnt seem too bad

9:19 AM

seems there just werent enough opinions on it at the time

gecko

seems there just werent enough opinions on it at the time

yea possibly

the happy pills update is quite frankly just Not Good on its own to be fair (edited)

9:20 AM

even the people who didnt find it much harder complained as it added poor chokepoints

gecko

the happy pills update is quite frankly just Not Good on its own to be fair (edited)

I really dont think we should generally govern "bad updates" afterwards like that unless they are genuinely god awful, made with bad intent or actually just changing a lot

yea for sure if they stay similar diff then not a big deal and rather just smth the creator should take feedback on

it's just lame as shit

though if an update is very bad AND happens to increase the difficulty then a revert would generally make people very happy

cparc (only urgent report tags)

it's just lame as shit

for sure

9:24 AM

anybody got some demons that have been waiting for long

11:26 AM

11:29 AM

uhhh I mean yes

11:29 AM

assuming one suggestion per mod again? (edited)

Henken by PLoLek - Extreme Demon - 80714349 - Feature (edited)

11:30 AM

cool polish megacollab made in 2.1

I personally sent this one for feature (edited)

I have a few in mind but if i can only suggest one ill suggest this. pretty nice and been waiting 10 months w like 20 sends i think (113042054 - insane/extreme demon - feature) (edited)

calculations by NovaSteel (ID: 104102672) - Medium Demon - Epic (edited)

107564042 - Insane Demon - Feature (edited)

Chloe 🥀

I have a few in mind but if i can only suggest one ill suggest this. pretty nice and been waiting 10 months w like 20 sends i think (113042054 - insane/extreme demon - feature) (edited)

insane/extreme demon btw

need id + difficulty + rate tier

alr edited

88559663 - Extreme Demon - Feature (Hazy Memories by oleki)

11:41 AM

has many sends as well, i think its in the 20s

Viprin

anybody got some demons that have been waiting for long

what does long mean

11:43 AM

like 1 month? (edited)

Hexagon

calculations by NovaSteel (ID: 104102672) - Medium Demon - Epic (edited)

actually upon rewatching I'm doubling down on epic, this level rocks

or more

11:43 AM

Dude there was a level but I completely forgot fuck

1

11:43 AM

Ill have to check my sends or smtj

drane

what does long mean

1 minute in level length or more

erm

1

Devilmine

Dude there was a level but I completely forgot fuck

~~I've got over 1k levels on my unrated demons list I gotchu~~ trollskull

(edited)

holy

scratch that, over 2k at this point

11:44 AM

I share it with dragnalus and she does the bulk of the work nowadays

okay i have no idea which one it was

11:51 AM

kms

Devilmine

okay i have no idea which one it was

i would have so suggested shiranai but W no song anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4eb7_QYbKU 110791899 | Extreme Demon | Feature/Epic leaning former

Xavereth

X84 Showcase

Devilmine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4eb7_QYbKU 110791899 | Extreme Demon | Feature/Epic leaning former

these colors are so w

12:02 PM

creators utilize this very enclosed structuring style a lot i notice

12:02 PM

not sure if it fits here

its honestly more this specific creator

Viprin

anybody got some demons that have been waiting for long

110534288 | Extreme Demon | Feature/Epic https://youtu.be/KZgiHsHN_-E also same question as hexagon, one level per mod again? (edited)

akun akun

"Based After Based" FULL SHOWCASE | a top 10 extreme demon without ...

oh i thought this was already rated dang

Devilmine

its honestly more this specific creator

i seee

12:03 PM

gotchu

i've got one more level in particular i couldnt decide between sending instead of this

drane

i seee

highly recommend peeping other XavT stuff ngl tho

12:04 PM

they have some cool stuff

12:04 PM

can put some in general to not clutter

perchance ..

12:04 PM

i will do that

drane

like 1 month? (edited)

to me like 6 months is long

12:04 PM

feel like it's still well in the realm of possibility for levels more recent than that to get a rate normally

12:05 PM

i see these waves as opportunities for levels that were essentially "missed" to get a second chance

makes sense

12:05 PM

thought i'd ask cos i got my own level

12:05 PM

but it can def wait

116734921 | Insane Demon | Feature/Epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdLAoKHY9Qc

i can dm some personal opinion bangers if you wanna look at some to get ideas of what to suggest if you'd like

oh no i know what to send

fire

12:06 PM

im excited to see what ppl suggest i love these waves

gecko

fire

wait nvm i'm silly

12:07 PM

was about to suggest the quazery level

12:07 PM

drane

was about to suggest the quazery level

14 days is a long time!! lets get TS rated.

been waiting far too long ...

drane

was about to suggest the quazery level

quazery does actually have a much older unrated 2p demon ,

76574716 | Easy Demon | Feature (Islands by SStartDash) (edited)

1

gecko

quazery does actually have a much older unrated 2p demon ,

ic

12:10 PM

well i'm in class rn so it's ok

94862304 | Easy/Medium Demon | Feature/Epic https://youtu.be/7F7M2k2h10c?si=hcR7KI4jze1SUPIF one of the few “effect layout” levels that is genuinely so well done

Nexus [GD]

The Red Room by SpooFy | Geometry Dash

1

12:12 PM

Like this has been on my “favourite” levels for a while and i go back and play it just as much as wannacry or well rested (edited)

Viprin

anybody got some demons that have been waiting for long

Eevee Force II by Water Paws - 17263238 - Medium Demon - Star Rate (edited)

i take back everything negative i have ever said about you lia

there's a second one??? (edited)

please rate eevee force ii

Lia

Eevee Force II by Water Paws - 17263238 - Medium Demon - Star Rate (edited)

you forgot rating tier and difficulty

Lia

Eevee Force II by Water Paws - 17263238 - Medium Demon - Star Rate (edited)

LOL RIGHT

Viprin

anybody got some demons that have been waiting for long

125321427 | https://youtu.be/zyebMe3GmfY?si=vhIq1wJTagIhrrJG | epic insane demon (edited)

Nexus [GD]

FINISHED AFTER 5 YEARS | ''BLIND'' by GDSkele | Geometry Dash

Viprin

anybody got some demons that have been waiting for long

90428346 - Extreme Demon - Feature/Epic (A Wolf At the Door by Renn241)

2

gecko

110534288 | Extreme Demon | Feature/Epic https://youtu.be/KZgiHsHN_-E also same question as hexagon, one level per mod again? (edited)

Would love to see this rated

12:31 PM

And I speak for at least 20 mods

every time these waves come around i'm like "hmm what should i submit this time" and its just always this one cus i cannot justify sending anything else since ik how much the community has been waiting for this one in particular

12:32 PM

it getting rated means i can send something else next time which would be awesome LOL

xactly

I feel like if it came up multiple times here it probably has a reason that it isnt rated most likely

shake

125321427 | https://youtu.be/zyebMe3GmfY?si=vhIq1wJTagIhrrJG | epic insane demon (edited)

Oops forgot to include difficulty

Devilmine

I feel like if it came up multiple times here it probably has a reason that it isnt rated most likely

i cannot possibly see any reason it wouldnt be rated

108362533 - extreme demon - feature https://youtu.be/n0DijPrlFtA?si=YIl9UGFrmorps136

CyblurrGD

Europa by L4TeZk | Geometry Dash 2.206

12:34 PM

been out over a yr

this one is peak af

12:35 PM

L4TeZk keeps getting bit unlucky with their stuff

Viprin

anybody got some demons that have been waiting for long

116730903 - extreme demon - feature https://youtu.be/gzqeoJK_UvM

Vortrox

TIME EXTREME - 100% VERIFIED!

3

96471808 - extreme demon - feature https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9CrHLXmTpE

Lelzi

Masterpiece - vRidge - Update Verified

got enough thanks all

6

Epic

excited !!

let's go

please speed i need this...

2

real

nooo i missed it rip

i took a break from dinner to send one when i saw the message

theres an insane amount of feature+ and epic+ unrated demons, i really wish rob would rate demons more, even if it was at least one per rate wave

i like dedicated demon waves but it'd be nice if like 1 or 2 were sprinkled into regular waves too

12:53 PM

vip has said that rob likes the way he does demons rn tho so probably unlikely

i thought the way demons are being done have been quite healthy lately

nah

its for sure been an increase no? (edited)

they're just inconsistent as hell

12:54 PM

sometimes its 4-5 days without any

it's still 10 times harder to get a demon rate than a normal rate

sometimes its 2 in a row

sink

it's still 10 times harder to get a demon rate than a normal rate

and this too

12:54 PM

people are actively discouraged from making demons if they care at all about the rate

gecko

sometimes its 4-5 days without any

this is so much better than what it used to be

12:54 PM

is what my point was

gecko

people are actively discouraged from making demons if they care at all about the rate

tbf that's why i dont really want to make demons

gecko

people are actively discouraged from making demons if they care at all about the rate

this is the first time ive heard of this in the past year

i have so many ideas for rush demons but there's no point to building them unless it's epic+ it seems (edited)

sink

tbf that's why i dont really want to make demons

as a mod you'd probably be fine to be fair, we objectively have a far easier time getting rates than others

gecko

as a mod you'd probably be fine to be fair, we objectively have a far easier time getting rates than others

you'd think

gecko

as a mod you'd probably be fine to be fair, we objectively have a far easier time getting rates than others

tbf sink IS sitting on an unrated demon thats been out like 1,5 months now

12:56 PM

as we speak

i dont rly mind my stuff getting rated tho (edited)

as is drane

12:56 PM

and sley

i dont think 1.5 months is very long

gecko

as a mod you'd probably be fine to be fair, we objectively have a far easier time getting rates than others

In terms of getting sends then sure because we easily have contact with each other, plus the privilege to send it ourselves

it's not

Whether RobTop sees the level is a different story

but like comparative to non-demons its kinda wild

nondemons is literally just get a send within the hour rob does rates and its near guaranteed

and i only care bc i see a lot of ppl from my streams suffer thru it

12:57 PM

is why creator point grinders never make demons

yea

inf

Whether RobTop sees the level is a different story

yea very true but even then we have these occasional waves for long awaited demons too

tbf theres just also the issue of significantly less ppl playing demons vs non demons

gecko

nondemons is literally just get a send within the hour rob does rates and its near guaranteed

Not necessarily for mods. I know Howler isn't here but he's a good example of someone who was a mod for a while and yet still had to wait quite a bit for their levels to get rated, with said ratings considered to be a bit of a robbery for the effort put into them

not like other creators can just send their level to viprin if its waited too long

yeah howler got so screwed over so many times its crazy lol

ye

howlers case is tragic yea

dude's last like 4 lvls shouldve been epic

i have to go do a thing (edited)

It's probably incongruent to most other mods' experiences where rates have been more timely for them but it's still prone to lengthy wait times and potential under-rates

Demons are generally just significantly more competitive

1:00 PM

competitive meaning ppl "fighting" more for a spot of a rated demon

1:00 PM

non demons dont have that issue too much comparatively

1:00 PM

more, if not 90% of people play non demons more than demons and naturally that means more non demons than demons by default

1:01 PM

I'd argue that for demons it already has been significantly more healthy than in 2.1 tbh considering rob has been rating levels more overall than 2.1

1:01 PM

Even tho yeah getting higher ratings is a fair bit harder

i hope mannyheffley's top 5 or whatever gets legendary (assuming it holds up the whole way through)

1:02 PM

seeing a legendary lvl that high up would be awesome

fax

Prolly gonna get epic because rob doesn't like long progression levels that much realistically

1:02 PM

Devilmine

I'd argue that for demons it already has been significantly more healthy than in 2.1 tbh considering rob has been rating levels more overall than 2.1

nah the rate at which people make these feature+ worthy demons has gotten out of hand

Devilmine

Prolly gonna get epic because rob doesn't like long progression levels that much realistically

so what you are saying is time to cheat the system and send for mythic, so it gets legendary

/j.

Devilmine

Prolly gonna get epic because rob doesn't like long progression levels that much realistically

it really sucks how consistently they are awarded so much lower

Hexagon

nah the rate at which people make these feature+ worthy demons has gotten out of hand

Time to move the entire standards up by a tier

1:04 PM

problem solved

1:04 PM

/j

cparc (only urgent report tags)

tbf sink IS sitting on an unrated demon thats been out like 1,5 months now

hehe me too

1:04 PM

although its 1.0 so i understand that

Ik it’s a joke and all but I really think Rob cares about his ratio of non demons to demons being rated each week or so

1:05 PM

which doesn’t work so well when the further we get into updates, the more quality demons we get versus non demons

1:06 PM

kinda just speculation though

Tbh I feel like the question is rather like

1:07 PM

"does every starrate/feature level have to be rated"

1:08 PM

but realistically the pace we get demons rn is better than anything we got 2.1 even if id personally think a tiny little bit more wouldn't harm but i feel like it isn't thaaaat big of an issue anymore as it used to be

I mean post demon system 2.1 was a complete wasteland for demon rates

1:09 PM

not the highest bar

Devilmine

Demons are generally just significantly more competitive

Funny how we've circled back to this

1:10 PM

Prior to 2.2, making demons was so uncommon since there was the whole demon system we used before 2.2.

1:10 PM

And I feel getting demons rated was significantly easier in early 2.2

1:10 PM

Now the pace has been slowing down a whole lot.

Hexagon

I mean post demon system 2.1 was a complete wasteland for demon rates

True

1:11 PM

Rob going without rating even a single demon for like multiple weeks was nuts

one of my favourite eras for demons was early 2.2 platformers cus they were just intertwined with normal waves

1:13 PM

was awesome

Agree

1:13 PM

It was all over the place and messy but I loved it

it encouraged people to make whatever platformers they wanted without worrying about difficulty which i liked a lot

ok im back

i play pokemon go everyday

1

crazy ass pull omg

1:22 PM

my main point is that i dont think that creators should need to wait 6+ months to get a demon rated that has many sends and a send weight of like, feature when it's not the case for non-demons (edited)

gecko

as a mod you'd probably be fine to be fair, we objectively have a far easier time getting rates than others

looool

1:23 PM

sure

1:23 PM

gotta disagree

"easier" doesnt mean guaranteed

i assume rob's system just pushes levels with a high send rate to the top of his system

no like i genuinely have no idea how to request level anymore

thats my guess idk if its even close to right (edited)

mag

no like i genuinely have no idea how to request level anymore

agree, especially a platformer

1:24 PM

mag

no like i genuinely have no idea how to request level anymore

if im really trying to get a lvl rated then i still use request streams lol

1:24 PM

though i have a few buddies who dont mind taking lvls too

1:24 PM

sink got multiple of my levels on stream LOL

hello im the buddy

necter

agree, especially a platformer

I always send your guys’ stuff Easy

1

yeah all my levels since i was mod got send via friends

i have this in my modchat bio idm taking dms from anyone here

2

never requested anywhere

that would be only fair since youre the literal president of- wow whoa halapeenyo is now transparent what the fuck

1

i havent built enough levels since 2.2 dropped to experience requesting stuff

gecko

i have this in my modchat bio idm taking dms from anyone here

i dont have this in my bio but absolutely same !

tbh i did get like 13 sends without requesting my level anywhere

1:25 PM

but

1:26 PM

ya knoooow

i have no idea how many sends my level has

1:26 PM

it has at least one

I haven’t posted a level in over a year so idk what it’s like tryna get a level rated as mod

(edited)

i mean non-demon classic levels its free (edited)

you should try making a level bro

mag

i dont have this in my bio but absolutely same !

i guess u wouldnt mind checking out a verification of mine then ,

1:26 PM

i may shoot a dm in a moment

gecko

i guess u wouldnt mind checking out a verification of mine then ,

we can trade request in dms

️

necter

you should try making a level bro

2026 my year for sure

platformers and demons its impossible unless the level is epic+

i am down for this

i lowkey never liked sending my levels to mods

I’m the kingtony of uploading levels

i feel bad if they dont give me a level to send in return lol

we should support eachother Easy

if i ask someone to send a level i am praying that they have a level to request to me too

gecko

i feel bad if they dont give me a level to send in return lol

sub4sub level requests

yup

it would be super funny for all the mods to gang up on one level and see community explode seeing a level with 80 sends on the funny bot

it would be funny but i also think it'd cause unnecessary problems since SendDB exists

gecko

i feel bad if they dont give me a level to send in return lol

do you endorse the creation of Absent™

I think I should get the ability to veto nexter sends

i dont like transparent halapeenyo hes very mean to me please help

ur literally anakin skywalker

1:31 PM

u dont need help

necter

i dont like transparent halapeenyo hes very mean to me please help

dark theme issues

1:31 PM

worst font choice ever

hate it

1:32 PM

i miss when star wars was still in the lucasfilm universe

i grew up watching these and i didn't mine prequels

1:33 PM

granted i was a toddler

the moment they killed off han solo is when i realized the franchise was going to shit

they killed off han solo solely for hype moments and aura

i only watched the first one of disney era

at least rouge one was good…

inf

do you endorse the creation of Absent™

NO i wont send it because these Furries shouldnt be allowed in our non-woke game.

wait til you all realise i never watched star wars and i have anakin as my pfp purely cuz it looks cool

gecko

NO i wont send it because these Furries shouldnt be allowed in our non-woke game.

so you're saying that furries should be... absent?

1

gecko

NO i wont send it because these Furries shouldnt be allowed in our non-woke game.

retruth

~~god i need to get this level out asap or it's gonna be the death of me~~ (edited)

inf

do you endorse the creation of Absent™

what creation could you POSSIBLY be referring to because i'm not seeing progress

thats because the progress is not here

1:36 PM

you could say its

dude my favourite level

1:36 PM

i love

oh

1:36 PM

wrong bit

1:36 PM

my bad

step up ur game

No

outdated

1

1:37 PM

absent progress is slow, but it's not absent

that background is so clean

clean asf

inf

outdated

holy cook

i took a page off of altos oddysey's book for the bg and turned it into my own thing

inf

outdated

the 2nd layer of backgrounds that come in just adds so much to the depth i love it

AgCilver🥀

the 2nd layer of backgrounds that come in just adds so much to the depth i love it

i had the opposite feedback given to me a while back but to hear that actually alleviates some of the stress i had for it, i appreciate it

1:39 PM

maybe its the saws idk

inf

outdated

pretty lit

1:43 PM

lowkey feel like the second half with the bg would work even cooler if its slightly textured to have smth similar like glass

1:44 PM

Structuring goes hard tho

Devilmine

lowkey feel like the second half with the bg would work even cooler if its slightly textured to have smth similar like glass

glass like a window showing the back layers? (edited)

1:44 PM

within the dark walls

inf

glass like a window showing the back layers? (edited)

ye imagine like this with a very faint blending and maybe low opacity lines, just to kinda sell the glass/window effect (edited)

1:45 PM

fastest example i could come up out of my head rn

i could try smth like that

Be its cool but some subtle streaks would be sick

1:47 PM

Maybe make em outta glow and have a pretty low opacity so it's really subtle

Sley

Maybe make em outta glow and have a pretty low opacity so it's really subtle

assuming this is still referring to the glass suggestion

Ye

kk

Just the streaks on it

for an assignment i need to write about a programming project i've done and its impacts, but more importantly its potential downsides and ways it could be abused couldnt think of any ideas then i realized gdbrowser is perfect for this

5:33 PM

shitty program with massive benefits that also caused so much damage

5:33 PM

Colon

for an assignment i need to write about a programming project i've done and its impacts, but more importantly its potential downsides and ways it could be abused couldnt think of any ideas then i realized gdbrowser is perfect for this

that one roblox game

Sounds like a cool project

gecko

that one roblox game

and like 1000 unlisted level scrapers due to coding rate limiting incorrectly

5:38 PM

then rob blacklisted the site from fetching unlisted levels (by my request) but he also coded it incorrectly so it didnt work

Colon

then rob blacklisted the site from fetching unlisted levels (by my request) but he also coded it incorrectly so it didnt work

gecko

i feel bad if they dont give me a level to send in return lol

lets trade i send SodA you send Gecko Challenge 3

https://x.com/TheRealGDColon/status/1985974601910817186

Colon :🦊: (@TheRealGDColon)

hello firefox + mobile users, you may have noticed gdbrowser absolutely sucks at loading icons correctly but it's ok because it's fixed now

12:38 AM

ignore the above gdbrowser is perfect now

Colon

https://x.com/TheRealGDColon/status/1985974601910817186

oh finally!

12:38 AM

i kept blaming it on the library

12:41 AM

turns out it was 100% my fault

12:41 AM

i didnt wait for the images to fully load before trying to render them

12:41 AM

to be fair they're supposed to be already loaded but some browsers are quirky

Chloe 🥀

lets trade i send SodA you send Gecko Challenge 3

chloe

gecko

Colon

https://x.com/TheRealGDColon/status/1985974601910817186

W

Colon

https://x.com/TheRealGDColon/status/1985974601910817186

I always thought it was some addon or blocker i had that fucked it over

8:17 AM

but that explains alot

8:17 AM

in vc with minishoey right now and he literally said, and i quote, "btw fuck this last modwave, what do you mean only 1 person" right after throwing in one of his classic "just mod me haha" comments

10:48 AM

just throwing this in discussions just to document these occurrences

10:48 AM

since he was discussed many times as a candidate before

mod morce

Promote mrexman

Unfortunate

10:51 AM

If he had a better mindset he'd be a great mod

10:51 AM

Bit regardless of how long u been trying to get it this is lame

cparc (only urgent report tags)

in vc with minishoey right now and he literally said, and i quote, "btw fuck this last modwave, what do you mean only 1 person" right after throwing in one of his classic "just mod me haha" comments

broooo

its literally just main character syndrome

10:58 AM

Eh I wouldn't go that far

10:59 AM

I think he's just frustrated that he's been working on it for so long and not had any success. Not that that justifies it

yeah it's understandable to be frustrated with not getting promoted even, just not good to lash out like that

cparc (only urgent report tags)

in vc with minishoey right now and he literally said, and i quote, "btw fuck this last modwave, what do you mean only 1 person" right after throwing in one of his classic "just mod me haha" comments

unfortunate

Sley

Eh I wouldn't go that far

I mean maybe (?)

11:25 AM

but considering i heard that he is saying that basically every single mod promotion wave its

very unfortunate mindset

He just has a shit mindset w this, I know him very well and I think saying he has main character syndrome is a stretch

fair

it sucks so much when such good candidates have this one major flaw that you can’t ignore

regardless of how he is or whats goin on. Its very egregious to be hearing that this is literally their behaviour every single mod wave

11:41 AM

gonna have to give them a long time before i believe there is actual change in their behaviour or true changes to their character

cparc (only urgent report tags)

in vc with minishoey right now and he literally said, and i quote, "btw fuck this last modwave, what do you mean only 1 person" right after throwing in one of his classic "just mod me haha" comments

isn't it crazy how there was actually not a single good person in that amoraltra friend group circle

?

3:03 PM

He's literally fine ngl

disp

isn't it crazy how there was actually not a single good person in that amoraltra friend group circle

low blow

3:04 PM

it's still a friend of ours have some courtesy

Reminder mini was one of the victims in that situation before throwing shit for no reason please

the amor stuff is completely irrelevant here disp

3:07 PM

its been cleared up in so many discussions

3:07 PM

yes i criticised mini's behaviour in that message but he is still a friend

What a horrible fucking message lmao

and i do not appreciate your message

dont think its very fair to group him with literal groomers while his worst behavior is bitching about mod

You can critize and voice out valid issues but drawing unreasonable conclusions from something entirely unrelated is insane

3:08 PM

I fucking hope this isn't a common sentiment here about minishoey because if it is that's nasty as fuck

idk the guy at all, my only concerns is what spark has said and how repetitive it has become

3:10 PM

seems like everytime hes brought up theres a new instance of him doing the same thing

i didn't mean to imply that i think of him poorly for this association alone, i just don't think he's a good person

Sley

Reminder mini was one of the victims in that situation before throwing shit for no reason please

no i wasn't aware of that either

Why don't you think he's a good person

3:12 PM

Genuinely curious

I wasn't aware being a bit obnoxious over wanting mod was enough to make someone a bad person but hey

big mistake disp, you expressed a negative opinion of anyone while in mod chat

nah tony

3:13 PM

this is not just a negative opinion

and how isn't it

We're allowed to defend a friend

you're going to sit here and explain to me how disp feels

this was taking someones character out of context and associating them with a bad group whom that person has no ties to

3:14 PM

which is not cool

"has no ties to" is insane, I'm not saying I stand by what disp said

3:14 PM

but that's just clearly not true, most people DO think of that association, even if just in the past tense

Tony this discussion doesn't involve you anyways. Disp made a stupid comment, and we're defending our friend to clear it up

Polagriffe

Tony this discussion doesn't involve you anyways. Disp made a stupid comment, and we're defending our friend to clear it up

I'm allowed to chime in just as anyone else is here

Tony

but that's just clearly not true, most people DO think of that association, even if just in the past tense

That's fucking awful?

you've decided his entire stance based on a single comment of his

Sley

That's fucking awful?

how is it awful to say that he was at one point friends with them

3:15 PM

I just said I don't stand by what disp says, though I understand where his comparison comes from

3:15 PM

he made it clear that he didnt know the full context

Tony

how is it awful to say that he was at one point friends with them

Just not what he said lol

Okay well he also didn't call him a fucking groomer either

3:16 PM

he implied nobody in that old friend group turned out to be a good person

I think there is some sensitivity some of yall need to learn when it comes to commenting about people

OK if I called one of your decently close friends a bad person and lumped them in with 2 groomers in the same message for no fucking reason how would you feel (edited)

3:17 PM

Based on his actions around mod I'll add

Tony

how is it awful to say that he was at one point friends with them

it is completely irrelevant to bring it up if he completely ceased contact with them

arcanin

it is completely irrelevant to bring it up if he completely ceased contact with them

THIS is a fair take on what disp said

3:17 PM

I would argue

Sley

I wasn't aware being a bit obnoxious over wanting mod was enough to make someone a bad person but hey

THIS is not

arcanin

it is completely irrelevant to bring it up if he completely ceased contact with them

It's irrelevant regardless

arcanin

it is completely irrelevant to bring it up if he completely ceased contact with them

which is something cleared up and mentioned here many times before ^

you have done the exact same thing by taking a single comment and assigning a narrative to it

it wouldn't be irrelevant if he still was in close contact with them IMO

Well yeah

cparc (only urgent report tags)

which is something cleared up and mentioned here many times before ^

not everyone has read every message of every conversation

3:18 PM

like I said im not standing by disp's original comment

you can stop this

cparc (only urgent report tags)

which is something cleared up and mentioned here many times before ^

then i fully agree that disp's message is super unwarranted

it was a bad comment

Great, I rest my case

i don't have any direct experienced with them my read is solely based of off a vibe, what i've seen of them and what i've heard from other people

Good to know your judgement in people is terrible

3:20 PM

Vibe, sure. We'll take it. Thanks for saying it was a bad comment.

You people are such hipocrites

3:20 PM

It's insane

Lmao

and while I truly didn't mean to implicate him as a groomer for simply associating at a certain point i just don't think he's a good person especially for this kind of thing

Polagriffe

Good to know your judgement in people is terrible

is really not

3:21 PM

but you're free to think otherwise

disp

and while I truly didn't mean to implicate him as a groomer for simply associating at a certain point i just don't think he's a good person especially for this kind of thing

this is more fair of a statement

3:22 PM

for sure

that was the statement from the beginning

cparc (only urgent report tags)

this is more fair of a statement

It's the same statement actually, if you just give anyone here the benefit of the doubt

you just kinda had to assume that i say that he's a groomer

and don't assume from the start that people are trying to be extremely disrespectful

my bad for not clarifying

disp

but you're free to think otherwise

I appreciate that, I think theres more to people and calling them 'not a good person' based off a 'vibe' is tough for me personally to accept. (edited)

well there was zero reason to bring that old group into it though

3:22 PM

coulda just said what you said now

3:23 PM

it rubbed me the wrong way thats all

So fucking tired of everyone here assuming that the absolute worst is being stated

3:24 PM

nobody's allowed to say anything without 4 context clarifications

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ok well as an outsider to situation, i dont know the optics of the average gd player, the first 2 people i associate minishoey with are amor and blu

3:24 PM

maybe its as simple as that association

3:24 PM

i understand they dont interact anymore or whatever, but its still who my brain associates them with

I understand why you'd want to defend your friend

not like its mentioned a few times a few mods here know the guy personally.

Tony

nobody's allowed to say anything without 4 context clarifications

it's awful

I don't blame anyone for trying to clarify and defend someone

✨mbed✨

i understand they dont interact anymore or whatever, but its still who my brain associates them with

it does suck a lot since he's moved past those times (where he was a victim) so i think it's really unfair towards mini to still keep that idea up

but you jumped to, and extrapolated disp comparing him to groomers, from an assumption

Polagriffe

not like its mentioned a few times a few mods here know the guy personally.

it's not like the channel gets wiped every tuesday and all those conversations are buried underneath dozens and dozens of apps

and then proceeded to chastise him for something that YOU misunderstood

3:25 PM

no it wasn't a good or smart comment

disp

it's not like the channel gets wiped every tuesday and all those conversations are buried underneath dozens and dozens of apps

mbed is always there to discuss with us.

but that doesn't mean you get to crucify someone over it

Polagriffe

mbed is always there to discuss with us.

what i do

nothing dont worry

he's saying im not pulling up to apps

its not important

This should have been a simple clarification and apology

Its kinda sad how it seems like most discussions and talks deteriorate to an immensely childish level tbh

3:28 PM

bit annoying

3:28 PM

"Hey disp, you may not know but he was actually a victim of the people from that group and I would appreciate if you didn't associate them anymore"

3:28 PM

would have done wonders

3:28 PM

nobody here wants to give even an OUNCE of benefit of the doubt

Tony

"Hey disp, you may not know but he was actually a victim of the people from that group and I would appreciate if you didn't associate them anymore"

3:28 PM

Sley did that

and I made it clear that I wasn't aware

Doesn't matter now. We all know where we stand

Polagriffe

Click to see attachment 🖼️

post the whole conversation

and then i watched as it cascades

the next thing disp said was apologize

Tony

3:29 PM

I am done with this discussion

you guys had already crucified him

Disp apologised, clarified

3:29 PM

We all know where we stand

AFTER YOU DRUG HIM THROUGH THE MUD ! (edited)

I do feel bad and sorry and I think they're valid at least to some degree

I personally was just defending a friend.

3:30 PM

all this before he even got to apologize

3:30 PM

he literally didn't even respond before every single person dug into him

3:30 PM

like I said

tbh i just kinda added that because it was a bit insane to see there

and i stand by what i said, it was a nasty fucking message

I understand why you would want to defend a friend

kinda a far fetch in terms of where it came from

especially over a really unfortunate misunderstanding like that

but i do agree that there wasnt any time given to rlly even say anything

ok i apologize for rushing in but i feel like at the same time you have to understand how horrible that message is when you know the person its talking about

Sley

ok i apologize for rushing in but i feel like at the same time you have to understand how horrible that message is when you know the person its talking about

Right

3:32 PM

and the first thing I'd want to do is clarify

disp

I do feel bad and sorry and I think they're valid at least to some degree

apologies on my side if I made it uncomfortable for you, glad we cleared this up

so that they know not to say it next time

3:32 PM

I've been on both sides of something like this before

at the same time, if you truly dont know someone you shouldnt be saying shit like this about them either

3:33 PM

i can accept some fault for being too harsh for sure

3:33 PM

but im standing by that

Sure, that's fine

3:33 PM

you're allowed to feel that way

i saw the message when disp sent it and i didn't assume he was comparing them at all ngl

when the connotations are as severe as this you really should put more thought into what youre saying imo

I do think the severity entirely depends on your personal context

3:35 PM

from your perspective it was a comparison of groomers and someone who was a victim

it is good to be as clear as possible for sure cus it can very easily come off in a not intended way

but from an outside perspective it's just comparison of groomers to someone else who used to be in the same cirlce

3:35 PM

and to be fair, grooming wasn't even mentioned

3:35 PM

so it's more like

3:35 PM

unsavory people to someone else who used to be friends with them

Viprin

i saw the message when disp sent it and i didn't assume he was comparing them at all ngl

It definitely wasn't a comparison but it was a connection drawn between other ppl that have done bad things and throwing them into one pot for basically an unrelated issue that doesn't even make someone bad is something to get annoyed/pissed at realistically (which wasnt even true either to begin with)

I'm not saying you're wrong about

3:36 PM

more thought being needed from disp

im so washed been doing nothing but say random shit, be in the wrong all the time and then try to justify my way of thinking this place is not for me, sorry for wasting everyone's time (edited)

3:36 PM

@Viprin can you unmod me

I'd agree that when comparing to a group of notoriously bad people

could've been worded better for sure but these things been spiraling a lot in mod chat for no reason

it was comparing them to "bad people" while the context given isnt defining someone as a bad person

real talk

but its also just whatever now considering ppl talked it out

Viprin

could've been worded better for sure but these things been spiraling a lot in mod chat for no reason

I agree

3:36 PM

has been bad

like with nexus stuff

3:36 PM

honestly tiring to discuss here

3:36 PM

people hostile af

Tbh it kinda comes from people always bashing

^

there is always these harsh non sensitive messages being sent

3:37 PM

so people kinda assume the worst at times

Devilmine

it was comparing them to "bad people" while the context given isnt defining someone as a bad person

i do think talking down mod waves cos u didnt get it is a bit of a poor trait and sign, but ye i wouldnt say bad person altho disp said he had other reasons so

yee

3:37 PM

based on assumptions rlly that they werent aware off

3:37 PM

which is something that can happen (edited)

can i just say part of why this really got to me is i was genuinely of the belief mini had shaken that association by now, the amor situation was so long ago now and it really hurt to see people be so quick to judge him purely as one of amors friends. seeing someone after like 5 years bring amor up completely out of the blue in association to mini really felt like a gut punch especially considering hes a really good friend of mine, one that im meeting next year.

Sley

can i just say part of why this really got to me is i was genuinely of the belief mini had shaken that association by now, the amor situation was so long ago now and it really hurt to see people be so quick to judge him purely as one of amors friends. seeing someone after like 5 years bring amor up completely out of the blue in association to mini really felt like a gut punch especially considering hes a really good friend of mine, one that im meeting next year.

I'm sure people who meet him now don't make that association

3:38 PM

but you can't control how people's memory works

3:38 PM

I genuinely have never interacted with mini and have like, no opinion on them

amor did a rly good job of making sure u knew him, blu, and minishoey were seen together

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^

3:38 PM

but this is still true

he was part of that friend group tho, thats rly what i only knew him for and it isn't surprising people are still making the connection

i talked about in gs a bunch how amor was tryna put the 3 of them into a rob commissioned art

regardless of that i still think its gross to just tie them in together especially when mini never actually did anything

was insane

It isn't even any fault of mini's

Think twice before you talk about someone with information from 5 years ago

lowkey maybe i shoulda kept that og message abt mini's behaviour for if he is mentioned in app discussions down the line i really didnt expect all this to derive from it

my 5 cents is that i think people hold these kinds of grudges too long but i am not knowledgeable on the history of the situation, just observing what i've seen here

Tony

It isn't even any fault of mini's

thats especially why its horrible to always see amor brought up in relation to him

Polagriffe

Think twice before you talk about someone with information from 5 years ago

the fact that they were friends 5 years ago, is still true right now

cparc (only urgent report tags)

lowkey maybe i shoulda kept that og message abt mini's behaviour for if he is mentioned in app discussions down the line i really didnt expect all this to derive from it

Cant really expect that to happen and u just wanted to tell people about that behavior

there was no additional information

u didnt do anything wrong

cparc (only urgent report tags)

lowkey maybe i shoulda kept that og message abt mini's behaviour for if he is mentioned in app discussions down the line i really didnt expect all this to derive from it

nah your message had no problems with it

i genuinely thought people had moved on from that

was mostly logging purposes

Tony

the fact that they were friends 5 years ago, is still true right now

I don't need to tell you five years is a long time. People change, situations change

Okay??? yeah???

3:41 PM

disp didn't say they were still friends bro

3:41 PM

he refered to it in the past tense

if you only know someone from one thing, whether its 2 weeks or 5 years ago, you're still going to think about him associated with that one thing (edited)

I'm just saying its good to 'think twice' when saying stuff in public spaces

we commissioned amor to draw the icon contest results bg art and he put the 3 of them kinda big near the center in like avatars so i told him to remove them, then he sent a new version and it took me a bit to realize he just moved them to the corner and a bit smaller, then i was like "seriously remove the 3 of you it has nothing to do with the icon contest", then he just replaced the avatars with their icons in another spot, and on the 4th time telling him "rob DOESNT want you, bluskys, and minishoey in his commission" he finally removed

it isnt crazy to see the connection being brought up

offtopic but he was a character

3:42 PM

I'm glad Rob uses rafer art now

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rafer is goated

arcanin

if you only know someone from one thing, whether its 2 weeks or 5 years ago, you're still going to think about him associated with that one thing (edited)

reminds me of people still calling dream a pedo despite very clearly disproving everything related to that in a video just cus people didnt watch it or interact with the guy after all the drama died down (since the video took maybe 6 months or so to come out)

3:43 PM

people just havent seen anything to disprove their memories even if it's plainly out there

Polagriffe

I'm just saying its good to 'think twice' when saying stuff in public spaces

this isnt a public space imo and i would expect a bit more respect from fellow mods (on both sides in this case)

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Viprin

we commissioned amor to draw the icon contest results bg art and he put the 3 of them kinda big near the center in like avatars so i told him to remove them, then he sent a new version and it took me a bit to realize he just moved them to the corner and a bit smaller, then i was like "seriously remove the 3 of you it has nothing to do with the icon contest", then he just replaced the avatars with their icons in another spot, and on the 4th time telling him "rob DOESNT want you, bluskys, and minishoey in his commission" he finally removed

crazy

I agree but I think I meant public space in a different way then

3:44 PM

Just, there's a lot of people here from a lot of different places and sides.

3:44 PM

This is more comparable to a work environment than a friend group in some ways

in general ig people could put a bit more thought into what they say before they say it

3:44 PM

me too in this case

3:44 PM

easy to let emotions kinda get in the way of having a fair discussion

Yeah im going to have to

3:44 PM

don't want to get witch hunted for a misunderstanding

very classy tony

well disp is resigning now

sad to see them go

this is boutta turn tony into evil fucked up dark tony

despite this shitshow i still liked having em around

man

cant even blame him for the most part tbh

3:47 PM

wishing nothing but the best for him

disp

im so washed been doing nothing but say random shit, be in the wrong all the time and then try to justify my way of thinking this place is not for me, sorry for wasting everyone's time (edited)

its a very depressing self-dismissive message tbh :(

i didn't see he edited that message

✨mbed✨

its a very depressing self-dismissive message tbh :(

I honestly relate to it a lot

3:48 PM

I feel like anymore I chat in here and people get the wrong idea about what I say

3:48 PM

not ever trying to hurt feelings but sometimes I do

3:49 PM

I was quick to defend disp because I could see myself making the same mistake

3:49 PM

that's not to say I agree with what he said

there have been way too many times were ppl jump to conclusions too fast from some random comment a mod makes in here and it spirals

but that I understand it wasn't intended to be as offensive as it came out

Tony

I was quick to defend disp because I could see myself making the same mistake

its honestly a genuine mistake that can happen by just not being informed enough

3:49 PM

with no ill intend

3:50 PM

just kinda having regurgitated what they remember them for in a poor manner

ye and then u can just ask for clarification, no need for like 5 ppl to jump him

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Im honestly just so confused by whats been happening. I just feel like every time I look away for a while I come back only to find out there's been some big argument, and I swear even looking back to where it started doesn't even clear the confusion because everything seems to escalate within 1 or 2 messages.

i still think disp is a good guy, i didnt like how he came off aggressive in discussions at times but i also dont think that made him a bad member of the mod team

Viprin

ye and then u can just ask for clarification, no need for like 5 ppl to jump him

was also on me considering i just added that, admittedly didn't expect it to go that length

i do feel very bad that he's resigning as a result of this discussion

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i still think disp is a good guy, i didnt like how he came off aggressive in discussions at times but i also dont think that made him a bad member of the mod team

Did you ever consider that maybe the aggressiveness was assumed externally

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i still think disp is a good guy, i didnt like how he came off aggressive in discussions at times but i also dont think that made him a bad member of the mod team

I dont think anyone was really unsatisfied or bad with him being a mod at all

disp is ESL after all

always thought he was a good mod and a cool guy

3:52 PM

just unfort

granted he speaks great english

3:52 PM

but it isn't his native language

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i do feel very bad that he's resigning as a result of this discussion

i worry that it may be a rash decision in the heat of emotions and he may regret it

3:52 PM

hoping for the best for him

RavingRafters

Im honestly just so confused by whats been happening. I just feel like every time I look away for a while I come back only to find out there's been some big argument, and I swear even looking back to where it started doesn't even clear the confusion because everything seems to escalate within 1 or 2 messages.

it's extremely annoying and most of the time it's not even gd related

Tony

disp is ESL after all

tony me and disp are both estonian and ESL

right

3:52 PM

so you would get it

I can say for certain nobody has a problem with him returning if Viprin allows it, when this cools down for disp

Idk at this point I'm assuming just as much

3:53 PM

it's w/e

If he were to return

my point is moreso that sometimes the intended communication

Tbh, I mostly just feel like disp was very passionate about what he talks about. Didn't necessarily feel aggressive, at least to me. Moreso he had his viewpoint, and he cared a lot surrounding that.

and the percieved communication

3:53 PM

are different

disp can be a bit blunt which it seems like at least spark knew

of course

3:54 PM

the estonian special

Tony

and the percieved communication

when speaking SL you can definitely come off in an unintended way and you can also perceive language instances in unintended ways

i apologize for going so hard today and the other day btw. idk as of late ive felt a bit jaded with the environment here and i think in general that got to me and made me go harder than i should have. i do still stand by my views in those situations but i can definitely recognize that i was also contributing to that toxic environment. just wanna get that out there

Can definitely be blunt, yeah. Genuinely prefer when people are blunt, and just say what they mean. I don't think any of it was out of malice at all, same as most discussions. But, it kind of feels like there's not a lot of interpreting how others communicate in general. Some of us are more blunt, others are more shy and kind of try to say something without flat-out saying it, if that makes sense, and it seems a lot gets lost in translation between the different methods of communication.

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3:57 PM

Feel like the discussion over that kinda reta-type level the other day showed a fair amount of that, too.

why are my pookies fighting

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1

no pookies here

2

just read up on everything, kinda sad to see things spiral out of control like this but it happens i suppose

4:30 PM

wishing the best for disp

well looks like disp is no longer here :(

4:35 PM

without knowing much context about the situation its quite disappointing to see him leave this way

4:43 PM

wish the best for him, always thought he is a guy with concrete opinions and its something I always respected

i always appreciated disp's willingness to speak their mind even if bluntly, it opened up a lot of introspection about how we discuss and go about operations in mod chat even if there were differing opinions. I hope all of us (including disp) move past this and learn (edited)

Having reflected on tonight's discussion, no matter what any of us felt in the moment, it should have never ended with a resignation. I myself feel immense guilt for contributing to what ended up being a situation that made disp leave and I've talked to him a little in private about it already. As I've been advocating for more positivity and rationality in this server, I found myself to have slight congnitive dissonance with the idea and still tend to partake in these discussion with too heavy a hand. This was definitely a big wake-up call for me, as I hope it was for some of you guys who participated too. I genuinely do hope this server can become something more positive and less toxic, and I hope we can all contribute to that goal. Salutes to disp

yall gotta get better at asking what people mean (edited)

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5:31 PM

so many battles in here could be conversations if we asked fair questions instead of jumping

I don’t like how toxic modchat has become lately

5:35 PM

The last thing I want to see is an argument causing people to feel uncomfortable, doubt themselves and resign from feeling out of place

It really sucks seeing someone resign over a discussion like this, which definitely never should have escalatated as it did. Discussions here should honestly never be escalating ever and its very dissapointing that literally every time anything is said here its just a heated argument or people not expressing their points with full context. The issue with the dogpiling is really just eveyrone wanting to say the same thing and it can come off very "targeting". Would be really good for us to think about what we say whether its helpful to the discussion or be thoughtful of how we word things about others. We tend to get super harsh and toxic when mentioning people and i feel like people always talk about em in the worst light but on the other hand, we also tend to just jump to conclusions immediately. Need a general change in how we discuss things. Kinda impossible to say anything in some discussions when people are just hopping on each others case or just being overtly negative. I hope we can actually learn from this. Anyways thats my two cents. Really hope this isnt the case for disp to actually be resigning and hopefully they do decide to come back if they are allowed. Would be very sad to see them go over this.

even tho i didnt participate much in this one i think a key thing i took away from the other instances is that if someone has already said something, i shouldn’t just regurgitate it, all it needs is a simple “

️” reaction and then to wait for the person being questioned to respond to it

5:48 PM

think that’s a good start for a much better way to handle things, along with generally being more respectful with what we say here

while i often mess this up myself, ill still always support asking people to clarify what they mean in a different way instead of immediately responding (edited)

8:11 PM

that being said i do think that at least some messages sent here come off as antagonistic even if the messages arent intended to be

i like unfiltered conversation, but i think there's always going to be topics some are sensitive about and being blunt there is sometimes unhelpful depending on the person (edited)

8:24 PM

i think it's on all of us to recognize when things might get heated and lock out for a bit (edited)

Wish he didn't feel the need to resign after something like this. Now I'll clarify I have no real knowledge of the topic discussed, but I can still understand the various angles here. Would also have to agree with what Vip (I think) mentioned earlier regarding some people jumping to the worst conclusions immediately and watching how everything spirals. I'm sure I can work on this myself, but it would be better if everyone could get a better understanding on everyone's intentions before it gets to that level of tension within the discussion. For lack of better words the atmosphere here just worsens and personally it's rather uncomfortable.

I mean, every single person who participated in that conversation was in the wrong somehow, it's a shame that it ended up like that. I'll admit I'm not good at this either, but we really gotta not just say rude shit without thinking it through, you never know who's nerve you're gonna hit. Being blunt, we're not all friends here and things can escalate quickly using friend group A humor on friend group B. Also we can't just snap back and forth at each other, even when we think the other is in the wrong. We just gotta be adults here, lately our discussions have escalated to such hostility so quickly. I'm all for criticising issues, but attacking each other to prove your point correct isn't how it's done.

i hate you @sakura ♡

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FUCK YOU

8:38 PM

sorry

Wulzy

yall gotta get better at asking what people mean (edited)

^

9:33 PM

the instant dogpilling was pretty wild

9:35 PM

very sad to see disp go

unfortunate

indeed

Why its all water

dear mod team what do we think about some auto rates

12:44 PM

personally I think its been a while

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holy crap no autos last month

12:54 PM

its really been a while

auto rates should be more common IMO

i think auto and demon rates should be more common

1:05 PM

id like to know if there's a reason why theyre done so seperately

demons i kinda understand, but auto i dont see a reason why

like i feel like we should have 1 or 2 demons a day, no?

for demons i can see why but autos really could just be done with usual rates

when 4 demons were rated like everyday ~2 months ago that was aweomse

1:06 PM

even if not with that frequency, some increase would be nice

I wonder what the frequency of autos coming out is and how many are feature+ ngl

i assume theres a reason why they are the way they are, but currently i dont feel there would be any downside to it, especially autos

(send/rateworthy autos that is)

Definitely less rate worthy autos being made than the other difficulties

1:10 PM

None in a month is wild tho

i know some people just make their autos as easy levels to have better chances of the level getting rated

im not sure who made it, but i remember a list with 50+ autos that were all at least feature worthy

thats how bad it is

Devilmine

I wonder what the frequency of autos coming out is and how many are feature+ ngl

not that many tbh, the ratio of them being released to them getting rated is probably very similar to other difficulties

1:11 PM

still though there should be atleast like a feww a week

I've seen some good autos lately

id rather see more non autos rated than autos considering that by robs logic more autos = less other rates possibly

i think also more autos would be made if it wasnt as difficult to get them rated

The dayum kind

but thats prolly just me

Really hope to see more of it

Polagriffe

The dayum kind

sent for dayum

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its rare to see an auto rate in a regular rate wave, despite them getting sent around other levels that get rated

people would make them more if they were rated more often aswell. like i know people who really want to make an auto but are fearful of it just getting 0 attention cause it wont get rated

I think in general the # of levels being rated is not in proportion to the # of levels being released

Chloe 🥀

people would make them more if they were rated more often aswell. like i know people who really want to make an auto but are fearful of it just getting 0 attention cause it wont get rated

Feel like thats an inherent motivational issue

it is but its also very common amongst so many people so it goes a bit beyond motivation to me

IG

its a mix of motivation and very fair reasoning

i think its fair

1:13 PM

people used to think similarly of pemons when the big droughts happened

building autos is just very different from building other difficulties so i understand why they are less common

necter

people used to think similarly of pemons when the big droughts happened

1:14 PM

Dark ages

never forget march and may 2025...

but i dont see why they wouldnt get rated

theres a current auto that would get legendary if rated thats been waiting for a good bit

1:14 PM

this one

1:14 PM

actually ill send it rn forgot i havent

it got rated

1:18 PM

lol

hahahaah

LOL

LOL'F;LKDSKHGFD

1:20 PM

NO WAY ???

1:20 PM

ok then

Chloe accidentially got the "Rate Level" instead of "Send Level" button

1:20 PM

YEP

LOL

wtf lol

chloe found the secret rate button

each new mod gets that once

does this mean.. more autos potentially?

Everybody gets 1

it was surely robtop lurking this chat and now hes gonna go rate more autos now GG

chloe send skull auto by me

skull auto

ok this is just like A rate wave

1:22 PM

peak

1:22 PM

W send timing

always cool when a rate wave happens just as you finish sending stuff

yepp

crazy work

the coolest thing that has happened to me was when Rob started rating basically all levels I'd sent until 10m earlier on stream

1:24 PM

that was very satisfying to see ngl lol

looool

1:25 PM

that escalated quickly

its pretty fun to see that happen, i tend to stream around the ratewaves on purpose to help out the smaller creators

1:26 PM

lots of "yooo my first rate", its a heartwarming thing

I lowkey wish rob would randomize the timing of sends more tho

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you love to see it

would be open to less abuse

ye i love when ppl get happy from their lvls getting rated

Devilmine

I lowkey wish rob would randomize the timing of sends more tho

i would love this

1:28 PM

ive actually been hoping for this for years now

when that afternoon rate wave HITS!!!

i remember rob was stopping rating when i was streaming and continued when i finished

Devilmine

I lowkey wish rob would randomize the timing of sends more tho

literally just "when opening the send tab it pulls the state of the send tab randomly between 0-12 hours)

prolly just a coincidense

would go a long way

CazVixX 🥀

prolly just a coincidense

yea he dont care about you lil bro...

1:29 PM

well im gotta send another batch of 1.0 levels for him Easy

Devilmine

literally just "when opening the send tab it pulls the state of the send tab randomly between 0-12 hours)

i think this is good yea

CazVixX 🥀

well im gotta send another batch of 1.0 levels for him Easy

i know a guy who has two and they need a rate

1:30 PM

how about.. two rates

oh thats rob rating an auto called free stars 4*

there was a short time he would rate like 6 hours after normal rating timing for a few weeks, not sure what that was about

Lia

oh thats rob rating an auto called free stars 4*

LOL

was cool tohugh

i didnt even notice??

LOL DID YOU SEND IT FOR HIGHER

ROB HAS SUCH A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR DUDE

1:32 PM

in the level you literally get 4 stars in the story

im playing it rn and waiting for the gameplay

so he rated it 4*

1:32 PM

dude is not real

1:33 PM

oh my god

1:33 PM

4 stars

we get an auto rated, but even thats 4*

3

i mean

1:33 PM

technically 2 auto rates

but its awesome so i dont mind

its even funnier considering our discussion before

@Waffl3X

waffle combusted seeing this

yeah

1:51 PM

why does the funniest stuff happen when I am in the Front Row of Class

1:51 PM

same with when I got mod

Chloe 🥀

technically 2 auto rates

that will be all for the next 3 months (edited)

Devilmine

literally just "when opening the send tab it pulls the state of the send tab randomly between 0-12 hours)

this has gotta happen because it honestly feels pointless sending any levels earlier in the day RN

7:29 PM

one request stream is all it takes to bury any chances of the levels you send getting rated

gecko

one request stream is all it takes to bury any chances of the levels you send getting rated

Not necessarily but some times yeah

he occasionally goes deeper into sent tab (whether thats just filters or not IDK) but most times it never even reaches like page 4

yeah it would be nice to not have to worry about the time when sending

7:36 PM

especially because people try and get you to time your sends

I had this one guy in my chat during my stream today telling me I'm being dumb for streaming at a time rob doesn't rate

Feel like its an overall net plus to have tbh considering rob does mostly rate at a fairly consistent time

Waffl3X

especially because people try and get you to time your sends

Ive grown so tired and frustrated with this. Asking you to do it in some specific window is really annoying

8:02 PM

Its more annoying that, to a decent degree, it can end up working.

yeah, as annoying as it is I can totally see why people ask for it

8:12 PM

sometimes I do try going through my reqs at a certain time just to see if they'll get rated and it has a tendency to work

for the sake of transparency here is the change made

8:26 PM

1. Act mature and respectful. You should never insult or harass anyone, whether it is through derogatory terms, hate speech, spam, and similar. This also applies to starting hateful conversations about community members behind their backs within this server. Moderators are representatives of RobTop, and should act as such. For this reason, it is expected that you are respectful towards him as well, refraining from publicly speaking negative about the game. Avoid starting unnecessary community drama. -> 1. Act mature and respectful. You should never insult or harass anyone, whether it is through derogatory terms, hate speech, spam, and similar. This also applies to starting hateful conversations about community members or other members of this server. Moderators are representatives of RobTop, and should act as such. For this reason, it is expected that you are respectful towards him as well, refraining from publicly speaking negative about the game. Avoid starting unnecessary community drama.

6

lowkey didnt realize "dont speak negatively about rob and gd" was in there

9:11 PM

what if i do it out of love

Well youre not like disrespectful about it at all

9:15 PM

i think the rule implies disrespect behind the comments

it's fine to not agreeing with some of robtop's decisions, as long as you're not being disrespectful towards him. you don't need to defend him as much as possible, all you need is to be careful with the wording of your criticism and providing feedback.

is there any explanation for this

10:10 PM

it says external API is not allowed but it is from the creator's perspective

10:11 PM

also they're not scouted but cant seem to get scouted either

10:11 PM

actually no thats just me not being able to scout

if they're whitelisted they must've been scouted before then got unscouted somehow

will ask someone that can

i can

ok bet if u can try

10:11 PM

https://raddely.newgrounds.com/

raddely - newgrounds.com

Waffl3X

if they're whitelisted they must've been scouted before then got unscouted somehow

they got whitelisted before scout

10:11 PM

funnily

oh lol

10:12 PM

well it doesn't seem i can scout them, but it shows up if i try someone else's profile

10:12 PM

strange

Waffl3X

well it doesn't seem i can scout them, but it shows up if i try someone else's profile

ah thats weird

10:13 PM

someone that scouted them prolly lost scouting privileges

10:13 PM

newgrounds makes so if u scout someone then get unscouted urself they also lose their scout iirc

10:13 PM

which is lame

10:13 PM

gonna ask tom if he can do something

Auck

is there any explanation for this

They are banned on ng

10:16 PM

Most likely

10:16 PM

They should contact ng mods

Auck

they got whitelisted before scout

This happens when a user who scouted them gets unscouted. In that case all the users who got scouted by that user become unscouted

10:18 PM

Or else user got banned

Considering that wafflex can't scout them again they got banned

^

found this in the sent tab and I think this is pretty far from its requested demon difficulty

7:33 AM

thought I would let people know because I didn't see any mods on the leaderboard or 100% next to any of the mods who commented (edited)

7:33 AM

and I personally won't be sending (but if I did I'd send for 8*)

just 1 attempted it

8:19 AM

predrop feels 8*

8:19 AM

drop onwards like 6*

8:19 AM

nowhere near demon you're right lol

might be neat to leave a comment on it then, ill have a check later too

sent for 8

AgCilver🥀

might be neat to leave a comment on it then, ill have a check later too

yeah I did before I brought it up

Hexagon

yeah I did before I brought it up

awesome

CazVixX 🥀

Considering that wafflex can't scout them again they got banned

not banned, someone that scouted them were unscouted

Auck

someone that scouted them prolly lost scouting privileges

.

CazVixX 🥀

This happens when a user who scouted them gets unscouted. In that case all the users who got scouted by that user become unscouted

yea

4:27 PM

messaged tom about it

Auck

not banned, someone that scouted them were unscouted

if they cant be scouted again its likely that they got scout banned because they scouted ppl who stole stuff

Yeah, NG is really strict about it. If you scout someone who stole work, the first time you'll receive a warning from the admins. Second time, you'll be scout banned, and all your scouting contributions are retroactively undone

4:32 PM

So, gotta be very thorough with vetting anyone you want to scout

thats why i dont scout people

Devilmine

if they cant be scouted again its likely that they got scout banned because they scouted ppl who stole stuff

im saying that the person whose page i sent here cannot be re-scouted because the user who scouted them was banned, not the actual artist im talking about

4:43 PM

but should be solved soon

shouldnt it be instantly possible to rescout them?

Normally yes. It just sometimes doesn't work correctly like that.

CazVixX 🥀

shouldnt it be instantly possible to rescout them?

if the "scouter" was banned everyone that was scouted by them gets unscouted, and im not sure if its always instantly rescouting

4:46 PM

ng scouting system is not great

4:47 PM

tbh

4:47 PM

also this artist i sent has only original music

4:47 PM

so yea they weren't banned

4:47 PM

but i already messaged tom fulp it will hopefully be solved soon, the reasoning doesnt really matter (edited)

Auck

ng scouting system is not great

there are still a lot of aspects i personally couldnt figure out so im really curious

4:49 PM

but possible checks of people who lost scout after banning someone for scouting stolen stuff seems logical

I stopped scouting a long time ago. Just feels like such a risk for making a mistake, especially because it's not just myself and the offending artists that get affected.

usually people who aren't scouted aren't that good at making music, they could possibly steal stuff after getting scouted

4:53 PM

i remember a person I scouted got instantly banned for stealing

4:53 PM

i didnt receive any warning tho

I think if all their offenses come from after scouting, the scouters aren't punished

4:54 PM

Because, after all, when you scouted them, they were up to board, and therefore you didn't do anything wrong

RavingRafters

I think if all their offenses come from after scouting, the scouters aren't punished

this also makes sense but who actually knows how do ng mods operate

I've had a similar situation arise after I originally got warned back in the day

sometimes they are extremely harsh and sometimes they are extremely forgiving

And was not punished for that, since all their work prior to my choice to scout them was fine

4:55 PM

I remember why I got warned too, it was so dumb

I got a warn for making a long version of running in the 90s drop in 2018 x)

They found it was stolen from some soundcloud upload with less than 250 streams and a slightly different name

I should've prolly been banned for that

At that point, Im more curious how they found out, more than anything, because that is a fairly obscure pull

might be just a coincidence

4:59 PM

like someone of the mods just listened that song and remembered it and found it when checking that account

4:59 PM

or the same but for any person who just reported the song

Yeah, it's just wild to think lol

soundcloud is also funny, iirc they didnt care at all for copyrights until some recent times

Do y'all think there's less random gauntlet entries because they actually have to think about game design now

12:37 PM

The whole "layout first theme later" thing doesn't really work

Colon

The whole "layout first theme later" thing doesn't really work

i will say i had to put a lot of extra thought into my layout and layer it around my theming that im aiming for

1:08 PM

so i can kinda see this being the case

Colon

Do y'all think there's less random gauntlet entries because they actually have to think about game design now

its for sure generally a result of levels taking longer to design in terms of gp

the barrier to entry is just a lot higher given the theme

4:11 PM

in almost all aspects

this has been rated for a couple years now but based on the info here i feel as though this could potentially be an unrate...?

I think it rather gets downgraded to starrate

5:23 PM

Cuz like it has stolen design from a single part according to the info

yeah that would be more reasonable (edited)

Also feels a bit weird that the original creator only said about this that late

maybe only just found out?

Yes possibly

dont think anyone would purposefully holdout on knowing this for years

But I just want to mention that there are cases when people are conflicting and they might be just using the situation to their advantage in conflict

i think downgrading to star rate is maybe good yeah

5:32 PM

rob usually does that if a level has some 1 to 1 ripped designs

5:32 PM

rather than unrate

Id honestly try to contact the creator for proof of being allowed to use the part

i mean tbf awedsy's profile post does say he didnt allow it to be used

apparently this got unrated on the 1.9 gdps for stealing assets

5:33 PM

definitely didnt get permission

Yes but it only shows the situation from their side

hmm

Lia

apparently this got unrated on the 1.9 gdps for stealing assets

Well if they didn't try to defend themselves then its confession

ye i think that's prob enough

5:36 PM

but are the original designs somewhere

5:36 PM

accessible

True that would be very useful

would be good to have direct proof that x and y designs were stolen

5:37 PM

especially when showing rob

5:37 PM

cus otherwise its a "just trust me bro" moment

Devilmine

I feel like if it came up multiple times here it probably has a reason that it isnt rated most likely

Have been thinking about this and with it (probably) not getting rated from the demon waves we got, is there really some reason Based After Based hasn’t been rated? i genuinely can’t come up with anything, it’s a very original level concept megacollab with a bunch of talented people involved and while it may not be everyone's thing i see no harm in giving it at minimum a star rate, it's such an inoffensive level so not rating it doesn't really seem like a route that makes sense Time Extreme was also sent in multiple waves here before and not rated until yesterday, so i guess it's theoretically possible it was just skipped? but i'd really like to know if there's more to it because it's my absolute #1 pick for unrated levels right now and if i'm wasting my time sending it here then i'd like to know that so that i can at least pick something else next time (edited)

i wouldnt put it down to any reason

7:11 PM

not every level that gets sent here when vip asks gets rated

7:11 PM

ive seen multiple cases of levels that get repeated here multiple times until it eventually gets a rate

7:12 PM

i dont think theres much use complaining or asking about it, ig thats easier for me to say cus the level i put here did get rated today but its not unusual at all

Lia

i dont think theres much use complaining or asking about it, ig thats easier for me to say cus the level i put here did get rated today but its not unusual at all

yea thats fair i’ve just been concerned especially with Chainsaw Y also seemingly being denied a rating for some reason i can’t come up with (assuming the 30+ send demon thing vip said was 100% accurate)

8:14 PM

rly sucks to be left in the dark about these levels especially when some like based after based are largely anticipated by the community

8:15 PM

and i think this is at least bab’s third appearance here now so IDK how likely it is to get skipped 3 times, guess i’ll just keep trying tho

i brought up a level here like 2-3 times and it only ended up getting rated when chloe sent it

8:17 PM

8:18 PM

robtop doesn't reveal why he chooses to rate a level or not so nothing much to do

Hychie

i brought up a level here like 2-3 times and it only ended up getting rated when chloe sent it

wtf LOL

8:50 PM

yea IDK i guess i just send it again next time around & hope for the best

maybe ill like alternate between it and other options tho ill see how i feel

8:55 PM

oh and sorry if i ever seem a little too pushy or passionate abt this stuff i worry i may come off that way often

rate Pale Machine

true

hey i tried to get henken rated twice, got it after the second time, never lose hope

tinytemple fans tipoBskull

1

Never stop dreaming

nexus

rate Pale Machine

actually true

6:51 AM

now that u mention it

6:51 AM

i thought it was already rated

6:51 AM

Hexagon

tinytemple fans tipoBskull

that level is doomed to be unrated forever LOL

i'm not checking out pale machine personally because spoilers

yeah ive been avoiding it too because im aware it has spoilers in it

Hexagon

tinytemple fans tipoBskull

this level was so big back when it released i’m very surprised it never got rated honestly

AgCilver🥀

yeah ive been avoiding it too because im aware it has spoilers in it

maybe robtop is avoiding it cus spoilers

7:56 AM

that would be actually really funny

gecko

this level was so big back when it released i’m very surprised it never got rated honestly

I mean it's almost certainly just that rob doesn't like it at this point

7:57 AM

kind of a weird one not to rate though

im very critical of platformers and how they do things, i dont see anything absurdly bad that would warrant no rate on this

7:57 AM

nor i dont think the creator themselves is a problematic person

yeah ive always thought that no rate was reserved for stuff that just does something very bad (maybe stuff like overwhelmingly bad game design for plats)

7:58 AM

would be very strange to hold out on tinytemple

7:58 AM

very solid for its time

1

i havent heard of any plat that was 100% confirmed it will stay unrated due to something

7:59 AM

maybe except the fnaf remake but idk if it was confirmed

gecko

very solid for its time

yea even i still sent it for a feature lol

same

Viprin

i'm not checking out pale machine personally because spoilers

bro didnt finish omori yet

8:08 AM

nexus

rate Pale Machine

+1

1:45 PM

Such a peak level

this is true rate pale machine

5:31 PM

its like the one level i've really been waiting on

yall, do we know what this could be?

7:31 PM

theres a limit right

7:32 PM

for 5 levels per day or something (edited)

7:35 PM

nvm they havent uploaded any other than 1 test level with 1 object after they failed to upload

7:35 PM

its just this one level that cant upload for some reason

Auck

yall, do we know what this could be?

also saw this tweet https://x.com/evilfffff/status/1987660934215524677?s=46&t=Q-B2pBeeF5_zqzdAZ6gF4g

EvilF (@EvilFFFFF)

Hi guys, i have been trying to upload Steep for the entire day, but for some reason the game is preventing me to upload it. This has ONLY been happening with the level AND any test copies i have made during the polishing days. Sorry for the delay, will post when fixed.

Auck

yall, do we know what this could be?

have they uploaded that level with the same name and had it deleted before?

could there be some level uploading issue happening to ppl atm?

yeah I was struggling to upload an unlisted backup of a level earlier (edited)

Halapeenyo

have they uploaded that level with the same name and had it deleted before?

i doubt it since it was just a playtesting copy, but they still couldnt upload that unlisted copy either (edited)

gecko

could there be some level uploading issue happening to ppl atm?

yea i think this is the case

Waffl3X

yeah I was struggling to upload an unlisted backup of a level earlier (edited)

ok yea seems like its def a server thing

could be like

8:32 PM

text objects with something mean on them

8:33 PM

or possibly the pickup trigger if the anti-ace measures from 2.1 are still there

Colon

or possibly the pickup trigger if the anti-ace measures from 2.1 are still there

yea idk thats kinda odd considering its multiple ppl

8:34 PM

out of nowhere

its def something in the level (edited)

Colon

or possibly the pickup trigger if the anti-ace measures from 2.1 are still there

dont think they'd all have that specific issue if it was something like this

8:34 PM

unless somehow they all have the same thing that causes the issue

Colon

its def something in the level (edited)

figured as much, just not sure why its multiple ppl not being able to upload stuff today

8:35 PM

just seems unlikely that its just the level content and not a server stability thing or something imo but i know nothing about that, u def know more (edited)

always worth to check if the lvl uses more than 20 songs

3:25 AM

or if lvl name segment happens to be vulgar language

cparc (only urgent report tags)

always worth to check if the lvl uses more than 20 songs

nah ive seen steep

4:51 AM

it doesn't use 20+ songs

4:51 AM

clearly rob hates me bc it uses my song,,,,,,, curious,,,,,,,,,,

cparc (only urgent report tags)

always worth to check if the lvl uses more than 20 songs

i thinks its only 1 cos its a classic level and I dont remember it changing

8:29 AM

name also doesnt have vulgar thing

i have a question guys

9:56 AM

why i cant appear in leaderboards of demons? is cuz im playing with megahack downloaded?

9:57 AM

i mean i beat it legit yk but i use megahack for startopos switchers etc

megahack is fine to use i use it and show up everywhere

i cant get into the rust leaderboards for some reasons

you may not be whitelisted yet

ohh

9:58 AM

how to be?

in 2.1 you got whitelisted by having list points but in 2.2 i think u just ask a lb mod

ohh oki

i got u

only applies to levels with whitelisted leaderboards enabled (p much just list demons) so you’ll appear normally elsewhere

okk :)

@GirlyAle02 check now?

yeah is since i downaloaded megahack that i cant see myself in leaderboards

9:59 AM

since i beat subsonic basically

Chloe 🥀

@GirlyAle02 check now?

IT WORKSSSS

9:59 AM

ty :D

awesomee np

GirlyAle02

yeah is since i downaloaded megahack that i cant see myself in leaderboards

some old former list demons may also be whitelisted

^^

gecko

some old former list demons may also be whitelisted

im going on the leaderboards rn ahah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd2NlQoBmrA hi is this appropriate to send plat like that?

AceFROG

inevitable | Geometry Dash | visual novel (800h of work)

1:54 PM

the story is kinda depressing

1:54 PM

and it is about death

1:55 PM

like we have a save as level and so on but im still not sure

it had like 10 sends i think?

2:00 PM

but it got reuploaded to get resent

2:00 PM

CazVixX 🥀

and it is about death

How explicit is the theme/dialogue?

inf

How explicit is the theme/dialogue?

from what ive seen its actually not

3:33 PM

shame but i didnt watch the video throughoutly

3:38 PM

new rate

3:38 PM

my bad, but to be fair these designs blend in with together so much that its really hard to notice, especially on a stream

ok yeah i just played both this and zippy's lvl

3:40 PM

its 1 to 1

3:40 PM

brah

3:40 PM

shall I dm rob about this or

og (unrated)

3:41 PM

solari

3:41 PM

i think dm rob yeah

3:41 PM

lvl just got rated

jesus

so maybe he wont mind unrate

yea im really sorry about that

3:41 PM

fuuckkkkkk

ye dm him rn

defo should at least be downgraded tho

3:41 PM

dont worry bro its hard to notice these things

3:42 PM

especially if the lvl is super unknown

yea especially on streams too

ye

a lot of pressure coming from people for you to move on and not investigate more carefully

its unrated already i think

3:42 PM

before I could write the dm

yep

3:42 PM

lol

but I wanted to mention zippy's level at least

epic win!!!

because that is unrated

3:42 PM

it should be rated instead

thats worthy of a dm i think

well I think the person who notified rob already knows this

oh lol it did

i dunno, wouldnt hurt to try anyway

sent zippy's level

did u dm him the level then?

didnt

ah ok i'll try then

3:47 PM

aight I did that

epic

3:47 PM

hope the og lvl gets rated

necter

it had like 10 sends i think?

I guess if it had sends already then it's not a big deal

i wanna bring up this level that got rated yesterday, the song for it is just gangnam style reuploaded to newgrounds under the name "drum kit" which is not allowed for use (for obvious reasons) but you can download the song still since it has a different song next to it

12:34 PM

i feel like something should be done about this

kreno

i wanna bring up this level that got rated yesterday, the song for it is just gangnam style reuploaded to newgrounds under the name "drum kit" which is not allowed for use (for obvious reasons) but you can download the song still since it has a different song next to it

yeah this is an exploit u can do for some reason

12:40 PM

kreno

i wanna bring up this level that got rated yesterday, the song for it is just gangnam style reuploaded to newgrounds under the name "drum kit" which is not allowed for use (for obvious reasons) but you can download the song still since it has a different song next to it

i coulda sworn this level just used the actual replacement before

12:44 PM

guess thats an update they gave it when they found “drum kit”

12:44 PM

idk if anything is done against these rob has gotta fix this bug tho lol (edited)

rob knows about the bug I'm pretty sure, i know he banned an account that reuploads old levels with banned songs using this exploit

a part of me also thinks RobTop is fully aware an exploit was done for this particular level but left it as is because he thought itd be funny, even more so if it’s rated

Lunar Jam 1 944641

4

1

yesss

isnt this the level that like sampled bunch of shit and then told creators that if they dont like their assets in it that they would have to find a replacement for them?

I believe so, I remember having a discussion about it

Yeah I'm upset that it got rated

8:36 AM

Umbra's new level was different

8:36 AM

he'd asked permission for every asset

8:37 AM

and the Audieo CC levels all had permission

Devilmine

isnt this the level that like sampled bunch of shit and then told creators that if they dont like their assets in it that they would have to find a replacement for them?

iirc umbra changed course after ppl got mad at that right

Tony

and the Audieo CC levels all had permission

as long as they followed the rules correctly

tri

iirc umbra changed course after ppl got mad at that right

I don't think he ever did anything about the samples though

tri

iirc umbra changed course after ppl got mad at that right

yeah but he kinda didnt ask anyone for permission and i even remember some ppl here saying their assets were used and they didnt like it

he just changed it from being like

8:37 AM

overly pretentious and saying creators who didnt like being sampled

8:38 AM

would have to provide HIM a replacement

8:38 AM

to, after the backlash, saying he would remove samples if asked

Tony

would have to provide HIM a replacement

I still find this so insane

8:41 AM

like dude

Devilmine

isnt this the level that like sampled bunch of shit and then told creators that if they dont like their assets in it that they would have to find a replacement for them?

yea epic for this is crazy when it's essentially just 745 stolen assets

9:01 AM

im sure a good portion of the creators in the level wouldnt mind but you cant just do that without pre-clearing

im pretty sure he did end up replacing the assets he was asked to replace so i don't rly mind it getting rated

on another note this is like umbras whole creating identity now and i honestly find it kinda lame

9:03 AM

i miss when he made his own stuff (edited)

that's fair

connot

on another note this is like umbras whole creating identity now and i honestly find it kinda lame

I agree honestly

Same

even in cases like these id just much more want to see stylized and personalized stuff than it

9:06 AM

even if he would take assets as direct inspiration remaking them in his own style

9:06 AM

would be cool asf too

Quite frankly I've never been a fan of Umbra's mindset for sampling and I felt that Audieo's CC in contrast was much more ethical

i still think it's an impressive idea and the levels look cool

it is a cool idea ye

but yea he's done it twice in a row

i don't think his execution for this stuff is even good honestly

3 times now i think

oh 3?

sampledelia exists

that was the first instance, and it was much smaller scale. For that level umbra asked permision from the people he wished to sample

9:07 AM

he didn't quite do that for the other two

oh yea i completely forgot about that first one

yeah but all of his sample levels just feel like all that shit is slapped together with no real coherence

Yeah the execution feels much more like just collages where the assets get mashed together, instead of really doing anything that interesting with them.

This does open a whole can of worms because I've seen 7ak post something about "So maybe now radio can be rated too" and at this point I don't see anything wrong with it

lia & i had someone ask in our CC server if "plunderphonic" levels would be allowed for entries and it seems like it's spreading as an idea that you can just take a bunch of assets you didnt make instead of making your own deco rather than using samples in cool new ways

9:09 AM

sampling is cool but im not sure how i feel about levels that only sample

putting those samples together in a coherent way is still work itself

gecko

sampling is cool but im not sure how i feel about levels that only sample

^ this so much

plus im kind of still of the opinion that nobody can own in-game assets but i know that's not really popular

DreamEater

This does open a whole can of worms because I've seen 7ak post something about "So maybe now radio can be rated too" and at this point I don't see anything wrong with it

ive slowly over time taken the position that like u can take anything from another level as long as you make it unique and standout

9:09 AM

i know that's unpopular here but

Gusearth

plus im kind of still of the opinion that nobody can own in-game assets but i know that's not really popular

i mean if i take a very well made and detailed background from a level and slap it on mine thats not original or impressive

as such i wouldn't mind radio being rated

i just think credit matters at the end of the day

even tho i was originally against it

I was gonna get to what Infra said lol

the original creator doesnt necessarily "own" the background but it doesnt mean anyone can just take it and use it as their own

gecko

i mean if i take a very well made and detailed background from a level and slap it on mine thats not original or impressive

right, because it's not being used for anything more than its original purpose

inf

i just think credit matters at the end of the day

for sure

nothing new, nothing creative

connot

ive slowly over time taken the position that like u can take anything from another level as long as you make it unique and standout

I do think it really matters about intend and transformativity overall too

and permission

nowadays at least

9:10 AM

if u just put a design of another level in urs cuz u have no better ideas thats a bit cheap but if u implement it in a cool way its sick

credit + permission is the #1 factor but even those cant really make me very impressed by a 100% sampled level

even tho i still think that making something in ur style is way cooler

gecko

i mean if i take a very well made and detailed background from a level and slap it on mine thats not original or impressive

The Voxicat spiral background that so many creators took without crediting

Nah I get that. That's where I stand. I just wanna see it in a different context, usually, and be credited properly. What I end up seeing a lot, though, is them just being used the exact same way as the level it's coming from.

but i'll always find unique stuff cooler lol i mean obv

DreamEater

The Voxicat spiral background that so many creators took without crediting

Not even made by voxi btw

9:11 AM

LOL

Yeah exactly I think it was made by SouneX?

inf

he didn't quite do that for the other two

He did for the recent one

the thing I like about Audieo's CC is because the creators to sample from were pre-approved, so there would be no issue if their designs were samples for the sake of the contest. Umbra didn't do that for a couple of his levels, and instead responded with a lengthy google doc explaining his stance. He did credit the sources, but I wish there was that extra step in just.. asking.

Tony

He did for the recent one

i was never confronted

Devilmine

even tho i still think that making something in ur style is way cooler

Really good example for this is https://youtu.be/lZrKjOLRQCg?si=QFNifwhmaw7hBjUn&t=81 IMO (timestamped)

Viprin

"Alien Dream Emulator" by kira9999 | Geometry Dash 2.2

inf

i was never confronted

Then he lied

I'd have a much better piece of mind if someone just asked me, and i'd have said yes

The only underlying issue with sampling is when you pick something made by someone who is inactive so you can't really ask for permission

rather than just take a design of mine and go "oh btw i sampled your stuff for the art of my level"

Tony

Then he lied

9:13 AM

He told me because I chewed him out for Ivorystar Waltz

he asked me for sampledelia

9:13 AM

not for any other levels of his

He asked me for Juxtaposed Junction (he only sampled the ground spikes from one of my levels but still asked)

at least he credited, im not gonna make it affect me further

‍♂️

I think I might just be back on the side of not supporting sampling

i remember him asking me if he could sample my levels but i said no considering the shitstorm ivorystar waltz was

I don't like it

For me I just like knowing in advance what my ideas are being used in contexts other than my own levels

There should be a way to do it right

9:15 AM

and I respect that Audie tried to support sampling in a way that was very through and well done

like i think sampling is cool and i dont mind if people sample my stuff but i dont want umbra to use them

Audieo did it so well with his contest

but it's just too much work to verify that people are not stealing

inf

not for any other levels of his

oh wait i remember why

9:15 AM

I have umbra blocked

9:15 AM

he wouldn't be able to contact me

Then he shouldn't be able to sample from you

should be a clear no then

9:15 AM

lol

lmfao

yea

if you can't get in contact then you shouldn't sample their stuff like

sampling honestly sounds harder than making your own level

9:16 AM

like how you take a thousand assets and make something coherent from that

Personally I always allowed ppl to sample whatever the fuck I make

mag

like how you take a thousand assets and make something coherent from that

i think its very impressive

and also made it clear like years ago

9:17 AM

think just checking if the creator has said anywhere "oh yeah its chill" would be the easiest way

9:17 AM

could be smth cool to promote people doing just to make it more visible for the ppl who do not mind it

I didnt know his older sample levels were without permission thats weird, but personally I really liked juxtaposed junction

I don't really make anything special enough for everyone to sample but my idea is that I should give permission first and that people can only sample from my solos

mag

like how you take a thousand assets and make something coherent from that

the main issue i have with his levels rn is that i feel like hes more turning this into a number contest rather than making a full cohesive level

also while we are assets I have to say I find the spiral asset found in every second awarded level absolutely diabolical and it gotten overused to such an extreme extent that I simply dont send levels that have it anymore

9:18 AM

even if otherwise theyre good

i don't think he would recede his trajectory when his recent levels equates to some of the biggest success he's had in creating overall

arcanin

the main issue i have with his levels rn is that i feel like hes more turning this into a number contest rather than making a full cohesive level

that sounds like a valid point yeah you dont need this many things

with this talk happening im wondering what you guys think about radio (im sure it was discussed here before) cause I actually really like that level

mag

also while we are assets I have to say I find the spiral asset found in every second awarded level absolutely diabolical and it gotten overused to such an extreme extent that I simply dont send levels that have it anymore

To me it's very dependent, because on the one hand, it's an extremely simple asset to create, even if you hadn't played other levels to see it being heavily used. On the other, it's so absurdly common, partially for that reason, that it's kind of boring to see.

i like radio visually

9:20 AM

thats all i can say

RavingRafters

To me it's very dependent, because on the one hand, it's an extremely simple asset to create, even if you hadn't played other levels to see it being heavily used. On the other, it's so absurdly common, partially for that reason, that it's kind of boring to see.

there is a specific spiral asset being directly copied

Radio came out without crediting any level

9:20 AM

to keep it a "secret" at first

mag

there is a specific spiral asset being directly copied

if its recreated and unique its fine

and then later released it after backlash and ppl mentioned it

using this specific one is ass

Chloe 🥀

with this talk happening im wondering what you guys think about radio (im sure it was discussed here before) cause I actually really like that level

its like the same reasons as ivorystar for me where clearance was not given

which kinda ruined it for me

Devilmine

to keep it a "secret" at first

interesting concept but yeah stupid idea

i like radio as well tho

I think as it stands rn id like to see it rated tbh

radio is good use of sampling in of itself but bad because it didnt credit

because ivorystar got rated, it can def get rated but i dont think neither of them should be rated so

it makes sense now but i wish it didn't involve the precursor of the umbra demons getting rated to validate radio getting rated

^

I dont really have any strong opinions on the sampling stuff that goes beyond literally just ask before you use something from someone

9:23 AM

i dont think it gets more complex than that tbf

and its fair but neither radio or ivorystar did it

yeah true

9:23 AM

i wish radio did cause i really like it

That's definitely kind of the biggest thing. If 7ak wasn't met with some harsh backlash, what he sampled would probably still never have been credited. But it is also a fairly good use of sampling for a level.

otherwise i fully agree

RavingRafters

That's definitely kind of the biggest thing. If 7ak wasn't met with some harsh backlash, what he sampled would probably still never have been credited. But it is also a fairly good use of sampling for a level.

same thing can be said to umbra as well

Yeah

radio is the best use of sampling levels IMO. genuinely would have 0 idea any of it was from other levels if i had not seen the levels, and it just works so well

the way he acted about the sampling completely killed my interest in the level

9:24 AM

and him as a creator

9:24 AM

i couldn't care less

yea i dont know why umbra seemed so stubborn about not asking for permission

Chloe 🥀

radio is the best use of sampling levels IMO. genuinely would have 0 idea any of it was from other levels if i had not seen the levels, and it just works so well

idk, there's one part where the entire idea is kinda ripped straight from special fx by jayuff but worse

honestly umbra's character in general is stubborn

and from credits by pocke too

it makes discussing these things much harder

those parts feel lazy in comparison to the rest

like bruh (jayuff left, 7ak right) (edited)

inf

honestly umbra's character in general is stubborn

i remember him spewing furry hate in the gds like 1-2 years back, hes always been weird to me

9:26 AM

but the sampling stuff was rly bad (edited)

1-2 years is crazy thats still pretty recent for something like that

there was kinda a case too where he was kinda semi defending someone with transphobic bio in v+p and had to get warned

9:26 AM

iirc

9:26 AM

General issues with character led to him being warned a good few times in GDC, and requiring direct intervention.

9:27 AM

But that's besides the point, really.

I hope i do not sound rude but the fact that he never got demoted from staff in gdc despite the multiple concerns from me and others about his behavior from being spammy, making obscene comments or overall just being general is kinda crazy to me

ye

9:27 AM

doesnt matter to this discussion

9:27 AM

at all

yea thats besides the point

9:27 AM

Just wanted to get that off my chest

Did he end up fixing the crediting issues for Ivorystar Waltz?

yes tho it was never a crediting issue to me

9:28 AM

radio was tho

So if everything was properly credited, the level should be fine right?

the issue was how he acted

Ah

he said if people wanted the assets to get removed, they had to give him a similar quality asset he could use and there was a time limit under which they had to "appeal" otherwise he wouldn't remove (edited)

9:30 AM

iirc not all assets were cleared up as well

9:31 AM

he just took them (edited)

9:31 AM

no permission

“i’m taking your shit and if you don’t like that give me something else that way i don’t have to do any work”

9:31 AM

that’s really smart actually i should do this

9:31 AM

no work required

Did he end up going back on that stance or was that how the samples were when the level released?

he ended up going back because he received a lot of backlash

Gotcha

9:32 AM

So everything in the level is cleared then

not rly

9:32 AM

assets were still taken without permission

9:32 AM

thats how the drama started rly

That’s what I was concerned about

9:33 AM

If there’s assets used without permission in the current version of the level I don’t think that’s good

ivorystar i think was p much entirely without permission, other ones im not sure about

9:33 AM

juxtaposed seems to be mostly permission though stole from infra with pretty explicit non-permission

it would be cool for a creator with many rated levels to make a lvl where they only sample their own assets from previous levels and put in effort to completely repurpose the assets

9:33 AM

play around with what theyve made in the past

9:33 AM

idk

9:34 AM

i know creators reuse a lot of stuff

9:34 AM

but i havent seen actual self-sampling to this degree

9:34 AM

would be lit

the nogz technique

9:35 AM

we dont talk about nogz

Does a significant portion of the level have assets used without permission then? If so idk if epic is appropriate for it

he sampled a whole ass level

9:35 AM

Halapeenyo

Does a significant portion of the level have assets used without permission then? If so idk if epic is appropriate for it

well the level WAS made without permission but idk if he asked afterwards or not

Gotcha

9:37 AM

I guess the question is if the level is in good standing now

pretty much but i dont have the answer to that

9:38 AM

Halapeenyo

I guess the question is if the level is in good standing now

just at a glance it samples a few ppl from here so could ask them to answer that

9:39 AM

heres the doc for ivorystar https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c2rwyg_UgJNN1Z7GouG5_oZBpwLAskTIYw0jDBFuxTY/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Document for Ivorystar Waltz (IW)

iirc this samples one of my levels too but my policy has always been idc as long as i get credited

is that a well known stance?

umbra has asked me about sampling before i think

because even if you're okay with it, if it were taken without asking then they probably did that to everyone

I think the big thing is that the crediting is also, to my knowledge, pretty much exclusive to this doc.

the doc is linked in the description of the level to be fair

9:42 AM

but credit in-level would be great too

when was ivorystar released

gecko

just at a glance it samples a few ppl from here so could ask them to answer that

i actually encouraged him to sample my level, i don't mind at all

6 months ago

Cool but, translating that over for say, a mobile user to their browser would be a mess.

he asked me about sampling after the level released

9:42 AM

And I don't think you should have to go to an external site for crediting assets

epic prolly not great for it then honestly

yeah

9:43 AM

if all levels were clear before he started building and creators were ok with it i would think this is awesome

745 levels sampled (many with more than one asset per level taken) meaning probably over 1000 samples there's bound to be a couple hundred taken without permission at minimum

I think the method of crediting is fine, more so concerned about the expressed consent of the levels used

gecko

745 levels sampled (many with more than one asset per level taken) meaning probably over 1000 samples there's bound to be a couple hundred taken without permission at minimum

the thing is right

9:45 AM

realistically even if it was only 1 sample that the og creator was not ok with

9:45 AM

and rest were fine

9:45 AM

it would STILL warrant a rating downgrade (edited)

9:45 AM

because thats not sampling thats stealing

cparc (only urgent report tags)

it would STILL warrant a rating downgrade (edited)

yea

9:46 AM

very egregious that it’s likely hundreds

but statistically there being hundreds i think it warrants a complete unrate

9:46 AM

imo

sampling infra when infra blocked them is wild

9:47 AM

that was for juxtaposed i think (the one where they claimed to pre-clear all assets)

cparc (only urgent report tags)

but statistically there being hundreds i think it warrants a complete unrate

and yea id agree honestly, down to star rate at minimum imo

I don’t think it should be unrated

9:48 AM

Would be nice to get the full context of how much specifically is used without permission

that would unfortunately require asking every single creator which definitely isnt much of an option (edited)

9:49 AM

but can ask the few mods that were sampled and see if they were reached out to (waffl3x already said they were fine w it)

yeah theres ppl like optical in that list

9:49 AM

who havent played in who knows how long

oh bruh, my stuff used without permission

4

Yeah it’s not feasible to ask everyone but getting some testimonies before anything drastic would be preferred

Not asking one person is crazy enough imo so this many people should be punishable by banishing from earth ❤️

me making cool designs for my own level just to watch someone take it with 0 effort without even trying to ask me

cparc (only urgent report tags)

he asked me about sampling after the level released

Same

9:52 AM

I told him I don’t want my stuff sampled

9:52 AM

Still in the doc

9:52 AM

Yikes

Halapeenyo

Yeah it’s not feasible to ask everyone but getting some testimonies before anything drastic would be preferred

yeah that's fair. i do think that ivorystar was dead even before it was born, umbra's approach was horrible and even if he loops around and credits in the future the damage is still done, which is why id advocate unrate

honestly tho, why we sending “stealing designs the level” and rating it while we’re at that

9:53 AM

not a fan

cparc (only urgent report tags)

it would be cool for a creator with many rated levels to make a lvl where they only sample their own assets from previous levels and put in effort to completely repurpose the assets

the only people who has done that imo was ItzKiba with Turning Point and Echonox with Reminiscence

AutoNick

I told him I don’t want my stuff sampled

Dang he still used it after you specifically said no?

I think he used before and asked after

inf

the only people who has done that imo was ItzKiba with Turning Point and Echonox with Reminiscence

and both levels are awesome

But considering his stance was he would replace if someone disagreed

Imo any level onwards from them should just not be considered for rate in the future

I thought he would have replaced

9:53 AM

But ig not (edited)

I dont like that kinda stuff

9:53 AM

A lot

necter

Imo any level onwards from them should just not be considered for rate in the future

well if it were truly 100% cleared i wouldnt mind

I mean yea

but they do not have a single level with 100% clearance

But it isnt

9:54 AM

:nails

i’m all for a level that samples other levels but you gotta ask for permission, you can’t do this “steal first ask later” shit

every one of their works seems to contain stolen assets

How to steal assets in 2025: call it sampling

9:54 AM

✅

i saw someone say “it’s hard to get permission from everyone” highkey in that case you find someone else

you don’t just take it cuz you can’t get permission

9:55 AM

this should be unrated imo

9:55 AM

egregious stealing

I feel like it being epic doesn’t set a good precedent for sampling then, especially because umbra is so vocal about it they may take this as sort of robs “approval”

Should just be treated like any level stealer

9:55 AM

But also include the no rate in the future part imo

I feel it should at least be downgraded to just a Feature, if not Star Rate

AutoNick

But ig not (edited)

should prolly be unrated then

Cuz doing it 3 times apparently? And to so many people? Like cmon

hard pushing for unrate

9:56 AM

it’s stolen assets from a lot of creators. You have to ask for permission

i agree

this should be unrated

necter

Cuz doing it 3 times apparently? And to so many people? Like cmon

1st time was fine, the other times werent

9:57 AM

afaik

Prolly too late for an unrate but Id advocate hard to make it unrated tbh

Does Juxtaposed Junction do the same thing in terms of where it takes assets from?

necter

Prolly too late for an unrate but Id advocate hard to make it unrated tbh

highlander express got unrated despite sitting for a day or so (edited)

Chloe 🥀

radio is the best use of sampling levels IMO. genuinely would have 0 idea any of it was from other levels if i had not seen the levels, and it just works so well

radio doesnt rly work for me icl

gecko

highlander express got unrated despite sitting for a day or so (edited)

well the thing is highlander express was an extreme

Isnt that rated for a few days now?

gecko

highlander express got unrated despite sitting for a day or so (edited)

To be completely fair, whole different case

a LOT of it is very untransformative

ivorystar waltz is a medium demon

i guess stats r a concern yea

two very different skill levels

DreamEater

Does Juxtaposed Junction do the same thing in terms of where it takes assets from?

I believe they asked for permission on that one (edited)

Days are kinda blurry rn to me

Not only was Highlander Express an Extreme, it was also harboring a comment section filled with lolicons

i’m also sick of the “it’s too late to be unrated” thing. Why is there a time limit when we punish thieves for stealing from creators. I really don’t think 10 stars is life changing when millions of players have lost out on hundreds of thousands from dailies and weeklies

3

DreamEater

To be completely fair, whole different case

yea wasnt comparing why the unrate happened, just that it did get unrated after some time

Devilmine

should prolly be unrated then

Should prolly check if they replaced my stuff and just didn’t update their doc

maybe

Didn’t check if the level got any update after

but even then others are kinda also never been asked and shi

Yea no matter who it is this is bad

yea i think the level is guaranteed to have many stolen assets

9:59 AM

even if some were replaced

I remember last time this came up tho several mods said they don’t see a big issue in how the sampling process was done

9:59 AM

so ig it really depends how u view it

i know umbra asked me a couple months ago to use my levels and i said no, idk if i was included in anything here

the general nature that this level was built means that there’s dozens of creators who probably have no clue their work was stolen. I’m all for a level like this existing if they actually got permission for every asset but since they just took without asking it’s bound to be riddled with stolen assets even if some people are okay

Depends on how much was taken and if it was used in a transformative way imo

should be unrated the 10 stars literally are inconsequential

1

Is the sampling in any other way transformative than just altering the way a certain part plays

If they used entire structures or backgrounds without permission, in my mind that’s too far

AutoNick

Should prolly check if they replaced my stuff and just didn’t update their doc

tbf

10:01 AM

wouldnt that also mean that they didnt credit someone

10:01 AM

technically maybe yeah

Halapeenyo

Depends on how much was taken and if it was used in a transformative way imo

i dont think a stolen asset is okay no matter how transformative it is honestly

if the original creator gives permission, thats all that really should matter

maybe a one-time case like a fully original level having one minor asset

10:04 AM

but this level is full of them

I think it really depends on context

Yea

yea & i think in this context there is no justification for not asking permission

Like levels with congregation jumpscares, kinda just whatever yknow

10:05 AM

Not worthy of unrating because it uses that specific part for a joke

i mean yeah

10:06 AM

thats completely different context

Exactly

I wonder how presta felt about the whole meme

Ivorystar Waltz has a random danzmen logo in it once but I feel like that’s fine imo

10:08 AM

Depends on if we think multiple instances of something like this is a problem

10:08 AM

Got the slam monster too

i think transformativeness is important for context. This level just takes a lot of shit and slaps it in. Like filling in the blanks with others work, not that transformative, it’s literally just using the same objects how they were originally used in the level they were taken from

3

Yea

There are some other more concerning examples in it

10:10 AM

I think these are Perox8’s flowers used several times as deco, if he didn’t give permission I’d say this isn’t ok

10:10 AM

I’m not sure if they are perox8’s but they look like it

congregation jumpscares in contrast are taking the part from congregation and using it instead of as gameplay but as a means to “scare” the player and is rarely used as a means to fill in their own designs

They got my goat

it’s recontectualized

I agree

I could ask Perox rn

also personally i think jokingly adding one or two assets from VERY popular levels really isnt that big of a deal because the wider community can recognize where these are coming from. Something that isnt so recognizable such as like specific designs. Although just for my own personal opinion is that even if you do add these kinda joke assets should still be credited somewhere

necter

I could ask Perox rn

You should

AgCilver🥀

also personally i think jokingly adding one or two assets from VERY popular levels really isnt that big of a deal because the wider community can recognize where these are coming from. Something that isnt so recognizable such as like specific designs. Although just for my own personal opinion is that even if you do add these kinda joke assets should still be credited somewhere

Yeah I think it’s fine

10:12 AM

Like the danzmen logo in Ivorystar waltz is whatever to me

10:12 AM

Or the random slam monster in the lake

Asked

But the flowers feel like a deliberate decoration element

Not online currently so we have to wait for response

i think in this case though with the umbra level if there is this big amount of assets being used and there is quite a clear lack of credit or permission to be using these assets, its a big nono for me.

yeah, like this is a cool idea but executed so incredibly poorly it should never have been rated

10:13 AM

and should be unrated as soon as possible

1

I think 10 unobtainable stars for future players is much less damaging than a really bad precedent for future levels (edited)

Dude what is umbras full name its impossible to remember

umbraleviathan?

Ok ty

damn i first tried that

10:14 AM

lets go

Does anyone know who made this

Okay Perox said he agreed

1

I think that 10 unobtainable stars is inconsequential when to be top 1 you had to start playing when daily levels were added and never have missed a single one

Halapeenyo

Does anyone know who made this

Arclia

10:16 AM

Undertides

I wish unrates would just delete the 10 stars of all people who beat the level so unrates wouldnt be a problem

the existence of dailies and weeklies giving their own stars makes unrating trouble levels a non issue from a star perspective

necter

I wish unrates would just delete the 10 stars of all people who beat the level so unrates wouldnt be a problem

rob would need to do a manual refresh to every single player who beat the level

10:17 AM

tricky

He need a system of sorts

10:18 AM

Prolly would take a rewrite on how these stats are calculated so it is not happening but also I could be yapping as I dont know anything about code and I make educated guesses Controller

sakura ♡

rob would need to do a manual refresh to every single player who beat the level

i mean couldnt that be done for the top 1000 only basically

10:18 AM

wouldnt probably be THATTT bad

/remove stats from ID 128

i think if there was like a way to do that and it was ran like once a month or something to keep stats in check

boom

would just make sense

10:21 AM

i think people wouldn’t mind if once a month at a known time if there was a “server refresh” that lasted like an hour people wouldn’t mind. that being said even if we don’t ever have anything like that, unrating levels that steal is more of a priority imo

its very common for servers to refresh from time to time in games and even other things that require servers tbh

10:24 AM

once a month at like 9 am sweden time wouldnt hurt a soul

10:24 AM

who playing at that hour. not me

sakura ♡

i think people wouldn’t mind if once a month at a known time if there was a “server refresh” that lasted like an hour people wouldn’t mind. that being said even if we don’t ever have anything like that, unrating levels that steal is more of a priority imo

this would be very nice since there’s been cases where i beat an unrated level, it gets rated, and it takes me like a month to find out about it

10:29 AM

so i dont get the stars for a very long time

Devilmine

i mean couldnt that be done for the top 1000 only basically

imo if it has to be done, everyone has to lose them

10:33 AM

not just the top 1000

well it’s especially inconsequential if the players are not top 1k

10:34 AM

the problems with these stat issues are almost exclusively a top-stargrinder exclusive issue

those people could become top-stargrinders in the future

10:35 AM

you never know

since having 10 unobtainable stars can be devastating for top competition but for someone with 20k stars it doesnt mean anything

arcanin

those people could become top-stargrinders in the future

and then they’d be included in the refreshes

realistically rob will never do a manual refresh of everyone that enters the top 1000

oh we were talking about different ideas (edited)

sakura ♡

i think people wouldn’t mind if once a month at a known time if there was a “server refresh” that lasted like an hour people wouldn’t mind. that being said even if we don’t ever have anything like that, unrating levels that steal is more of a priority imo

i was talking abt this one

if its for everyone, then i very much agree

10:37 AM

eitherway, i dont think we should do anything about star losses as long as dailies and weeklies arent replayable IMO

yea i agree with sakura we should be prioritising unrating levels with stolen assets over caring about 10 stars

arcanin

those people could become top-stargrinders in the future

meant like if they are currently in the top 1000

10:40 AM

cuz before it kinda doesnt matter that much

10:40 AM

at least to that degree

if the resets are periodic (as in automatic, not rob doing them manually) then i would agree

10:41 AM

even then there's only a few star difference between top 1000 and outside

10:41 AM

would be hard to implement

10:43 AM

and even then those stars only matter if you're top 10 very least AND if dailies & weeklies were replayable (edited)

gecko

the problems with these stat issues are almost exclusively a top-stargrinder exclusive issue

yeah because these are the players who’d play the level before we got around the removing the stars. I wonder how intensive it’d be to hit the top 1000 every time a level got unrated?

10:44 AM

either way this level should be unrated

10:44 AM

blatant stolen work

10:44 AM

also if anyone has contact with umbraleviathan please let them know i want my stuff removed from their level

people gain more stars from secret ways/free levels than unrated levels, it wouldn't affect it That Much

well “their” level

10:45 AM

not quite theirs when 100% of the assets are taken (edited)

In umbras document it says: “Did you ask for permission from the creator before sampling their levels?” “No. Some creators either stopped playing the game or are hard to contact, so that would slow the process. Plus, I think it would be more fun if a creator recognizes an asset and go "Hey, that's mine, that's pretty cool". At least I hope that is the reaction. For further details, read the Fairness Statements (Transparency of Sourcing).”

Halapeenyo

In umbras document it says: “Did you ask for permission from the creator before sampling their levels?” “No. Some creators either stopped playing the game or are hard to contact, so that would slow the process. Plus, I think it would be more fun if a creator recognizes an asset and go "Hey, that's mine, that's pretty cool". At least I hope that is the reaction. For further details, read the Fairness Statements (Transparency of Sourcing).”

THEN DONT TAKE THEM

10:46 AM

THERES THOUSANDS OF CREATORS ACTIVELY PLAYING

10:46 AM

unrate this

10:46 AM

unrate this now

10:46 AM

so irresponsible it’s sickening

sakura ♡

so irresponsible it’s sickening

dont they have other levels that do this too?

jesus

10:48 AM

maybe im old fashioned but back in my day we asked for permission before taking shit

idk if the other lvls ask for permission but i just know they are under the same premise

10:48 AM

like take stuff from hundreds of creators

Chloe 🥀

idk if the other lvls ask for permission but i just know they are under the same premise

juxtaposed claims to but infra has umbra blocked and apparently it still uses infra’s assets

10:49 AM

idk about the others

Halapeenyo

In umbras document it says: “Did you ask for permission from the creator before sampling their levels?” “No. Some creators either stopped playing the game or are hard to contact, so that would slow the process. Plus, I think it would be more fun if a creator recognizes an asset and go "Hey, that's mine, that's pretty cool". At least I hope that is the reaction. For further details, read the Fairness Statements (Transparency of Sourcing).”

reading this for the first time grinded gears i didnt know i had

Halapeenyo

In umbras document it says: “Did you ask for permission from the creator before sampling their levels?” “No. Some creators either stopped playing the game or are hard to contact, so that would slow the process. Plus, I think it would be more fun if a creator recognizes an asset and go "Hey, that's mine, that's pretty cool". At least I hope that is the reaction. For further details, read the Fairness Statements (Transparency of Sourcing).”

Such heartwarming thoughtfulness ❤️ Get this person the mythic they deserve ✨

Ivorystar document says it uses 5 levels from AutoNick, which Nick said he told umbra he was against. I’m trying to find the examples of where his levels were used but it’s difficult

10:52 AM

I can’t find anywhere in the document any indication they were replaced either

Halapeenyo

Ivorystar document says it uses 5 levels from AutoNick, which Nick said he told umbra he was against. I’m trying to find the examples of where his levels were used but it’s difficult

what type of assets does it take?

10:53 AM

most have descriptions like “saw design” “ground spikes” etc

10:53 AM

might be best to find the most niche detail

For AutoNick it says: Structure, Structure & Block Design, Block Design, Background, Structure Ancillary

10:54 AM

For his 5

10:55 AM

I tried looking but like it’s hard to know where they are in either level since it doesn’t say what specific asset is used (edited)

10:55 AM

Just the type of asset

do you have the big spreadsheet

10:56 AM

that contains all creators and sampled stuff

gecko

heres the doc for ivorystar https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c2rwyg_UgJNN1Z7GouG5_oZBpwLAskTIYw0jDBFuxTY/edit?gid=0#gid=0

@mag

ye thats for ivorystar only though

10:57 AM

iirc he had a bigger one that has all

10:58 AM

omg discord phone is shitting itself

10:58 AM

i actually just cant go back to that message at all

I haven’t seen the big doc

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11NOCJ-GsI_wvTVj0qcwY5TjZLb3SzWwUh1Vjq9d0X3g/edit?gid=0#gid=0

List of Umbraleviathan Plunderphonic Level Documents

I mean if he admits to using assets without permission, and used AutoNick’s assets after Nick asked him not to I feel like it’s pretty cut and dry that’s not ok

i feel like thats worse than not asking at all

yea

11:00 AM

either way i feel an unrate fits more than anything as the level being rated is a precedent that this is okay

Halapeenyo

I mean if he admits to using assets without permission, and used AutoNick’s assets after Nick asked him not to I feel like it’s pretty cut and dry that’s not ok

I think he used them before asking

I’d like to at least make 100% sure that nicks assets are used in the level tho

spark confirmed he used his assets before asking

I was tryna see the one for juxtaposed just to see if he has changed his ways or not

that being said spark was okay with it in the end but still problematic

AutoNick

I think he used them before asking

Did he replace them after?

unsure, can’t check the level atm

All good

it's so easy to find! Nick made Structure

The document said an asterisk indicates a part that was replaced but yours didn’t have any

11:02 AM

Was in early May

11:02 AM

idk when Ivorystar was uploaded

20th april

April 20th I believe

ah I see

There was an update 16 hours ago but idk if any before that

seems he was asking for permission to use your stuff in Juxtaposed Junction

11:03 AM

not ivorystar

11:03 AM

i think hes just moved on from ivorystar

yea

Yeah the document says April 20th was the only time it was updated (besides ig yesterday)

11:04 AM

id assume the update yesterday was probably bugfixing

11:05 AM

i doubt any major changes were made

Probably

11:06 AM

Would still like to do our due diligence in making sure there are assets used without permission

11:06 AM

Looks likely tho

yeah fs

Ultimately up to how Rob feels about it

ngl, i think “crediting” is pointless if you don’t say where the objects are used. A percentage would help to find stuff

or even easier

11:08 AM

names ontop of assets that are invisible while playing

“structure” is a lovely description tho

yea it should not be this difficult to find

those spreadsheets would be so much better if they had a direct screenshot of the original asset used and how it was used side by side

It does seem like from this Ivorystar Waltz was pre-crediting changes

11:10 AM

Screenshots sent in reverse

personally it really sucks knowing that this is this creators “style” and has been what they do for a while. I don’t know how many of their levels are rated but none of them should be if they didn’t ask for permission first. I think it’s such a throw we sent them and got them rated in the first place, but idk if their only rate is the one we’re talking about

sakura ♡

personally it really sucks knowing that this is this creators “style” and has been what they do for a while. I don’t know how many of their levels are rated but none of them should be if they didn’t ask for permission first. I think it’s such a throw we sent them and got them rated in the first place, but idk if their only rate is the one we’re talking about

I think its only one

that’s good at least cuz we can easily rectify that

Halapeenyo

It does seem like from this Ivorystar Waltz was pre-crediting changes

is it fair to really dislike the idea of a spreadsheet that is essentially just "free assets"

the other one they uploaded

11:11 AM

is with permission i think

i see

ah so is this one we’re talking about the only other upload on this account?

they have 4 finished sampling levels

sakura ♡

ah so is this one we’re talking about the only other upload on this account?

we are talking about Ivory Waltz specifically rn

11:11 AM

which got rated i think like a day or two ago

11:12 AM

which didnt have the same procedure

11:12 AM

iirc

mhm

11:12 AM

when they reached out to nick saying “i make sample levels” i thought that meant they have dozens of rated levels doing this shit

looking back at how umbra asked me about my stuff being sampled he did say hed put it into a resource that other samplers had access to

at that point where they asked

might revoke my statement

they had 0 of those i think

11:13 AM

rated

that i told him

gotcha

11:13 AM

so if this is the only rated one we should unrate ASAP

its the only rated one that isnt with pre cleared permission yeah

i mean, my gut is to just dm rob but idk when peak rob hours is

usually during rate waves

11:14 AM

thats the only times ive gotten responses

i dmd rob once during a random evening and it took 3 days to get a reply haha

I have no issues with Juxtaposed Junction since he got clear consent from creators to use their work

11:15 AM

Ivorystar Waltz appears to be before that change in his methods was made

yeah that i have no issues with

11:16 AM

i wanna just say now i have no issue with sampling for levels SO LONG as you get permission for everything you take. Which it sounds like JJ did this. I take issue knowing my shit was stolen and i had no clue until this morning

feels hard to find what exactly was taken in a level sampled from 700 others

Yeah it is hard to find

even if I didn’t give him consent to use my things I probably wouldn’t mind just a few designs floating around in a level like this

i just never heard of the level until today, that’s why it’s so flawed to be like “if you take issue let me know!” like bro i don’t know who you are!

Halapeenyo

Yeah it is hard to find

ive looked at juxtaposed junction several times and apparently he sampled 7 of my levels and I could only find 1 thing lol

11:22 AM

but to me it was like this

11:22 AM

idk how the general reception of this level is

11:22 AM

its likely that many creators also do not know their levels have been sampled

11:23 AM

I agree that this is problematic

11:24 AM

but I wouldnt jump to unrating the level because of a few people here being unsatisfied with it

were any of these made for the audieo contest

I dont think so

11:24 AM

can check

nah

mag

but I wouldnt jump to unrating the level because of a few people here being unsatisfied with it

the level stole from countless creators

11:26 AM

it’s a stolen level

11:26 AM

we shouldn’t be rating levels that steal from creators and the fact this got rated is a problem and should be rectified

11:26 AM

this shouldn’t stay rated

11:26 AM

Ivory whatever i mean

the problem is rob doesnt even unrate stuff that steals from other people nowadays

11:26 AM

he usually just changes them to rate only

i hate that so much btw

unless the level is literally lifted 1:1

well if acted on quickly then its being unrated

11:27 AM

a level got unrated within like 15 mins a few days ago

11:27 AM

it had few complete stolen parts, and a part with assets flipped from like 3 levels

11:28 AM

this level is really hard to make a proper decision on as yes it took other creator’s works without permission but its also just really hard to properly prove this

i stand by my opinion, 10 stars is meaningless in the context that if you started playing 2.1 2 weeks late you lost at least 14 stars at most 126 stars

4

mag

this level is really hard to make a proper decision on as yes it took other creator’s works without permission but its also just really hard to properly prove this

yes the level openly admits to this but its not something where you look up an original level and instantly see it

i do think its weird like i cant even tell when the level is taking stuff lmfao

11:29 AM

outside of like specific art pieces

sakura ♡

i stand by my opinion, 10 stars is meaningless in the context that if you started playing 2.1 2 weeks late you lost at least 14 stars at most 126 stars

ye stats shouldnt matter this much when unrating since everyone just loses them anyway

✨mbed✨

i do think its weird like i cant even tell when the level is taking stuff lmfao

i mean if you made every level you probably would be able to tell idk

i mean idk

11:31 AM

it literally takes from my level sometimes

11:31 AM

and i cannot find where

11:31 AM

11:32 AM

the closest i can get is a guess

11:32 AM

i gave permission to use my stuff tho cus idrgaf

i’m glad you gave permission, i never heard of this person until their level got rated and i learned they took my shit

11:33 AM

i think that’s thievery and shouldn’t ever be rated

11:33 AM

unrate that level

idk to me it doesnt have the same weight as if the whole level was built on someone else’s idea or were resembling it extremely closely, in this case its literally less than 1%

Im the same way, I just left a profile post basically saying "if you wanna use something I made, just credit me, and all's well" Ivorystar was, however, made without pre-approval, kind of a "ask for forgiveness rather than ask for permission" process that, to me, I dislike on a foundational level.

like I would personally be upset if there was a rated level that was super similiar to one of my levels (actually there is an example of this) but this case, I just dont really care since its super small / person

mag

idk to me it doesnt have the same weight as if the whole level was built on someone else’s idea or were resembling it extremely closely, in this case its literally less than 1%

99% of the level is assets that theoretically were stolen even if some were cleared, so those 1%s add up

11:35 AM

id agree if the rest of the level was original

11:35 AM

but there is guaranteed to be countless stolen assets throughout

the entire concept of the level is to not be original though

11:36 AM

or I mean

11:36 AM

be original with samples

11:36 AM

its how a bunch of people create music too

thats a fine level concept if it clears what it reuses (edited)

ye they require clearances for sure

11:36 AM

but they just dont take a big enough part imo

ivorystar cleared nothing and just hoped people wouldnt have issues with it

mag

be original with samples

which is cool WHEN YOU ASK FOR PERMISSION

Main issue is permission, they even stated in their documentation they took samples without permission

ivory didn’t unrate it

and clearly some people like sakura have very big problems with it

im very sure that less than 99% of people are upset lol

Thats why the problem is specifically for Ivorystar Waltz, since most of the level is made up from samples, and weren't getting permission.

i think if someone takes an asset without permission that should be considered stealing, regardless of intent

1

11:37 AM

unless it's like a very very simple thing, im sure theres some random exceptions (edited)

these are mostly all very simple things

11:37 AM

combined into big things

Compared to the later ones where permission was, supposedly, gathered properly, but there have been some things shown here that put how thorough that process was into question.

regardless if someone used anything i've built in their level without asking me first i'd be upset too

Yeah. If the asset is simple enough, might as well create your own variation of it, imo. Taking it directly is still, well, taking it from elsewhere, and permission should be taken, regardless.

mag

these are mostly all very simple things

ivorystar is setting an example that you can steal hundreds of assets without permission and get an epic rate

11:39 AM

that is bad

i just dont see it this way but i can understand why you guys do

it's strange to me because you can make ethical sampled levels really easily, the audieo contest levels are perfect examples of that (edited)

Like, whether its petty larceny or grand theft, both are still illegal. But, when you have permission, it no longer is. That's how I kind of look at this.

i'm not a fan of sampled levels generally because you cant really tell what assets were used where and what was the creator's original designs but there's definitely a difference between the umbraleviathan level and the audieo levels in terms of permission

sink

it's strange to me because you can make ethical sampled levels really easily, the audieo contest levels are perfect examples of that (edited)

yeah and umbra’s next level was also an ethical sampled level so i dont get why ivorystar had to work like this (edited)

11:41 AM

im not sure of the circumstances of this level’s rate actually

mag

yeah and umbra’s next level was also an ethical sampled level so i dont get why ivorystar had to work like this (edited)

someone in this chat specifically is upset that their assets were taken and put into the level without permission (edited)

Tbh, it just kind of happened after like forever.

i think that is not entirely ethical

sink

someone in this chat specifically is upset that their assets were taken and put into the level without permission (edited)

thats why I was asking for the document

oh

11:42 AM

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c2rwyg_UgJNN1Z7GouG5_oZBpwLAskTIYw0jDBFuxTY/edit?gid=1420091035#gid=1420091035

Document for Ivorystar Waltz (IW)

because I feel like there was a misundestanding

11:42 AM

not IW, but JJ

o

I think their assets were put into Ivorystar, not the later ones.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EW_vnLBTS1HY6dNl63mGs50ubHymtJYuklw6_mgoWKA/edit?gid=873724526#gid=873724526

Document for Juxtaposed Junction

11:42 AM

ye they were put into ivorystar

11:42 AM

btw a bit unserious i hate this website sm (edited)

11:42 AM

it's so weirdly corporate

IW is the one people are raising issues with, because it's the one that has the permission issues

yeah I was saying JJ is clear

sink

someone in this chat specifically is upset that their assets were taken and put into the level without permission (edited)

was this comment about JJ?

mag

was this comment about JJ?

ivorystar

ah ok lol

that being said the fact that something like this even showed up in ivorystar makes me wonder if there's problems in any of the other levels

I just wasn’t around when ivorystar was made

11:45 AM

iirc someone here said that it already had backlash when it released

that was radio

11:45 AM

i think

11:45 AM

at least thats what i mentioned

Ivorystar Waltz had some backlash on release as well

11:46 AM

That’s why they changed to asking for permission from everyone they sample

IW had backlash on release yeah, as did radio, but after IW it at least seems that Umbra changed practices to get permission first, but again, some folks did mention a few things that make it seem like he wasn't entirely thorough about doing so.

Halapeenyo

That’s why they changed to asking for permission from everyone they sample

ah

11:47 AM

mb

i recalled sampledelia having the same problem

From the JJ document “Hello! Thank you for taking the time to check out the extended description of Juxtaposed Junction ("JJ"). This is my third plunderphonics level following Sampledelia and Ivorystar waltz ("IW"). Regarding criticism and feedback I recieved from Sampledelia and IW, I decided to take another approach with sampling. Admittedly, there was fear that asking creators beforehand would severely slow down the building process, that is, the majority of people would decline to be sampled and the sample pool would be too small across inconsistent styles. However, it was found that many creators were open to be sampled. Following this, I established a centralized Discord server to host The Plunderphonics Movement where people interested in plunderphonics can share ideas, clear samples, and access the cleared database (a list of creators who are open to be sampled for specifically plunderphonic levels). As sampling becomes more popularized (through plunderphonic projects, support from noteable players, and AudieoVisual's Sampling CC), I hope that the literature surrounding this art form can solidify, especially for plunderphonic levels.” The bolded section to me almost indicates the reason they didn’t ask for permission first on IW was because they were afraid creators would decline, which is not a good like of thinking. It’s line “I can use their stuff because they didn’t directly say no.” Credit where credit is due they did learn their lesson with JJ (edited)

yeah that bolded section comes off really bad

that does seem bad

11:56 AM

rip

11:57 AM

bruh wtf

11:57 AM

just right now in my server

11:57 AM

why here

gecko

lia & i had someone ask in our CC server if "plunderphonic" levels would be allowed for entries and it seems like it's spreading as an idea that you can just take a bunch of assets you didnt make instead of making your own deco rather than using samples in cool new ways

same as what lia & i got

i really dont like the idea honestly i feel like ppl r just gonna start stealing assets and then say "but i had permission so its okay" but it wont be transformative at all

12:01 PM

and people unfamiliar with the original works may not realise how much was taken

mag

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I got this in my server a couple months ago

12:05 PM

Still grinding

12:06 PM

The document that has all the creators has like 270 creators so it's interesting that they're still asking more

mag

Click to see attachment 🖼️

okay ima be so for real, im really starting to get against this kinda idea, even if people are to ask for permission it feels like it can get out of hand really quickly (edited)

glad to see they learned from their mistakes. That being said IW should be unrated as it doesn’t have the good practices in place and stole from many creators

12:15 PM

(will keep repeating until it’s unrated)

like you know, im totally fine with sampling 2 or 3 creators if they are okay with it

12:16 PM

but like im looking at these docs

12:16 PM

and this is HUNDREDS of levels

ye imo its better to sample hundreds of levels than three levels

12:17 PM

(with samples cleared)

oh i was saying the opposite

Destriv

The document that has all the creators has like 270 creators so it's interesting that they're still asking more

Everytime I saw a new thing I'd want to sample I'd ask a new person so I guess that's how

im kinda 0 or 100 on the topic

12:17 PM

you either build a full sample level or just do everything on your own

12:19 PM

this is why i'm against the idea of assets with unknown creators just to reiterate that spiral thing, nobody who uses it actually knows who made it, they just take it from that really stupid geode mod that just has assets in them for whatever reason

12:19 PM

its so bad to see a level where it is mostly creative and then it just slaps you in the face with that spiral background in a part

That's a mod??

i dont even have to say which because im sure you know

GiggsRH

That's a mod??

its called "object workshop"

i genuinely have no idea what youre talking about

mag

its called "object workshop"

I received a dm a couple weeks ago, a creator asking me if I didn't send his level because he took the spiral asset from the "object workshop" mod

geode mod in which you can browse assets made by people

what????

in editor

12:21 PM

yea you can submit and copy assets from there

12:21 PM

some ppl ask for credit, some dont

hmm

The idea for that is kinda cool

yea it is cool if used as intended

I'd need to see the assets but I assume they're all pretty simple

if it isnt big assets like block designs and shit im for it

its random stuff tbh from GD assets to like basic backgrounds or artwork

but if its like little shapes and stuff

i dont see an issue with that at all because its very different from 'can i have permission to sample you' because that could mean literally anything

12:23 PM

a mod with small deco objects for free use sounds really cool

yea its useful sometimes

Lia

i genuinely have no idea what youre talking about

this spiral

1

12:23 PM

just random example of hundreds of levels that use it

that does sound cool as long as its made with credit

mag

this spiral

i have seen this a few times

theres even some trigger work in there too

mag

this spiral

iirc its originally from ispywithmylittleeye which is kind of funny LOL

ive got three levels that use this spiral on a 2 hour level request stream just last night

12:23 PM

...

12:23 PM

three levels with the same thing in it

hope my blocks with slope shapes wont become similarly popular cuz i like to use them a lot

I mean all ima say is that this kinda mod really just pushes the standards for what we find impressive

(the ones in coldest winter yet if youre wondering)

that design is simple

12:25 PM

i wouldnt be surprised if its just accidentally made by someone else too

mag

this spiral

Blogde has a level called Fonts and Assets on their account which contains this spiral

Chloe 🥀

iirc its originally from ispywithmylittleeye which is kind of funny LOL

ive heard its not from there originally but atp no one can locate it

voxi claims it to be their spiral so IDK

theres creators who use this asset in multiple of their rated levels

mag

theres creators who use this asset in multiple of their rated levels

I used it in my first classic rate and never again LOL

the original asset is from SouneX

12:26 PM

the creator

12:26 PM

voxicat got the spiral from them

lol

idk why voxi claimed it as theirs tho cause i solidly remember them saying "someone stole my spiral"

12:27 PM

weird

he never said that

he 100% did in vc

its been clarified over and over

12:27 PM

even on twitter

i know for a fact sounex said something regarding the spiral on twitter

idk maybe he misspoke but thats deffo what he said so that was confusing

he for sure misspoke then

12:28 PM

cause he even doesnt claim it as his own

ye voxi doesnt

all i remember is

12:28 PM

that sounex for sure clarified that its his and that people can use the spiral

Sorry to go off topic here, but I got a dm about a level from someone I've known a long time saying a level (Duality by Bub8les) has stolen deco. When doing more research I found that someone else stole Duality and got it rated. Shortly after the stolen level got unrated and Duality was featured. But yea it turns out that one stole deco from Baanz

what is the deco thats stolen

First image Duality and Second Image Baanz level

i think send the pictures and comparisons here and then we can judge

Kinda steals throughout the level

ok immediately

This is literally just part 1

this is just like the tutorial from youtube...

12:30 PM

hksjfhskjh

It is but Baanz has been making deco that looks like this since before the tutorial

well not exactly but clear inspiration from that one vid

GiggsRH

It is but Baanz has been making deco that looks like this since before the tutorial

yeah yeah fair

12:31 PM

but yeah i see the design concepts being pretty much the same

Literally same layers and colors in the editor too

yeah saws are the same arrows the same

12:31 PM

its just a recolour

The Baanz level is called Nouva

This reminded me of that WissaGD guy who has three rated levels that all got downgraded because they have stolen stuff in them

12:37 PM

fiverr level?

Omg

12:38 PM

I hate fiverr

12:38 PM

This level should be downgraded either way

Ye

i think it should be downgraded to no rate

I agree but it has been rated for a bit

Found stuff from other Baanz levels

so? (edited)

so wasn't sure that would happen

Destriv

Found stuff from other Baanz levels

Yea I noticed this too

sakura ♡

so? (edited)

Rob normally only downgrades if a level has been rated for a while if it has stolen assets to not mess with stats

i hate that reasoning so much

10 stars is nothing compared to the 6,444-28,998 unobtainable stars that have accumulated on just daily levels alone

"rules for thee and not for me" comment

7

iirc duality took 1 year to be rated after the stolen one was unrated

12:49 PM

turns out this also has stolen assets

thats crazy

12:49 PM

thats a chain reaction

correct lol

GiggsRH

Sorry to go off topic here, but I got a dm about a level from someone I've known a long time saying a level (Duality by Bub8les) has stolen deco. When doing more research I found that someone else stole Duality and got it rated. Shortly after the stolen level got unrated and Duality was featured. But yea it turns out that one stole deco from Baanz

poor guy

1:04 PM

baanz been stolen assets from before

1:04 PM

Yea

did anyone end up messaging rob about ivorystar?

i never did, i highkey got super distracted all day and didn't get around to it

9:48 PM

i'm also super bad at knowing when rate waves happen

rate waves happen like between 1-2 hours of daily Usually

10:23 PM

and then sometimes at other random times

sakura ♡

i never did, i highkey got super distracted all day and didn't get around to it

your samples have now allegedly been removed from the level btw

4:51 AM

i still think this is unacceptable behaviour as your assets are definitely not the only things they stole with 0 permission and still stand by it being unrated as some people they stole from are not contactable

i think calling these stolen assets is a stretch since there is no intention of passing them off as their own. its pretty clear with what it is yk. that being said i think its definitely debateable whether stuff this reliant on samples should be rated or not.

well, they were taken without permission so the assets by definition are stolen

was gonna say

6:52 AM

its a bit of a black and white scenario, if you use someones stuff without permission thats stolen

ye

6:53 AM

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7:06 AM

trust

7:06 AM

ngl, im really curious how you guys feel about bryans level mashup levels

7:11 AM

since atleast in my eyes they are kinda similar, taking stuff from other creators and making something new with it

7:11 AM

and i kinda doubt bryan got explicit permission to make those (could be wrong about that)

cparc (only urgent report tags)

idk if it was one of those things where vip asked for demons

was so ye by umbra himself

that explains a lot

Sley

idk ig overall i just dont think theres inherently wrong with making a level like this, and it doesnt really sit right with me hearing people call it stolen. whether it should stay rated is totally debateable tho, im kinda on the fence with that myself

fully agree with this sentiment

Tbh I had more issues with ivory waltz in the sense when they did the

7:55 AM

"im using your asset and if u dont like it give me a replacement" thing that happened originally

7:55 AM

Sley

and i kinda doubt bryan got explicit permission to make those (could be wrong about that)

Good reference, but tough call. This was in a completely different era of GD. But bryan doesnt sample, but remakes and made the levels transformative. Which back then, was more than enough.

7:56 AM

We can also go down the Nine Circles rabbit hole lol

actually tho

Devilmine

"im using your asset and if u dont like it give me a replacement" thing that happened originally

thats fair but i do think its a but unfair to hold that against him considering he went back on it and learned from it

Polagriffe

Good reference, but tough call. This was in a completely different era of GD. But bryan doesnt sample, but remakes and made the levels transformative. Which back then, was more than enough.

there was a more recent rate of theirs too

Polagriffe

Good reference, but tough call. This was in a completely different era of GD. But bryan doesnt sample, but remakes and made the levels transformative. Which back then, was more than enough.

also one of his level mixes got rated 2 years ago

in late 2.1

yeah

ye

right before 2.2

Sley

thats fair but i do think its a but unfair to hold that against him considering he went back on it and learned from it

that is true

so its actually a lot more relevant than you would think

Don't recall. Was the level made in late 2.1?

nah dont think so

7:57 AM

windswept prospect

oh the woogi one

ye

I still stand by my point. Different era of GD.

Devilmine

"im using your asset and if u dont like it give me a replacement" thing that happened originally

id be perfectly fine with this if he wasnt wanting it to get rated

yeah

well maybe not the whole "give me a replacement" thing that was kinda silly

that was pretty silly yeah

in my eyes healthy sampling with permission = great but sampling without permission = stealing

7:59 AM

and that latter part is where many of us seem to differ

7:59 AM

especially in the case of IW

is it truly stealing if u credit the person in question who u took it from tho

i dont think its stealing but i also dont think it should be rated if there isnt permission

i mean

7:59 AM

tbf

but you took it without permission

by definition, it is kinda stealing intellectual property in a sense

thats why i feel like passing it off as your own work is like a core aspect of stealing

just like how in music when samples arent cleared the songs cant like, be monetized

Devilmine

is it truly stealing if u credit the person in question who u took it from tho

if someone takes your level and reuploads it but says the level was made by you its still stealing

8:00 AM

yeah

i think the same could apply to gd where if samples arent cleared then the level shouldnt be rated (gd equivalent of being "monetized")

cparc (only urgent report tags)

if someone takes your level and reuploads it but says the level was made by you its still stealing

i think theres a pretty clear difference there

Sley

thats why i feel like passing it off as your own work is like a core aspect of stealing

yea like

8:00 AM

intent matters a lot i think

intent / credit

8:01 AM

if he didnt credit anyone his intent would be irrelevant imo

he very thoroughly documented what he sampled and from where iirc

someone trying to use designs for their own levels without crediting, hoping no one notices is more stealing than using designs of other ppl with clear credit and making it obvious

8:01 AM

but even then like

8:01 AM

it depends on what u do with it

8:02 AM

because i feel if u slap something in 1:1 without much change its pretty silly and boring too

absolutely

i brought up before that i think if u are transformative with it or even better - stylize it in your own style and way its way cooler

8:02 AM

credit with heavy inspiration

8:02 AM

made in ur own style/vision

Devilmine

because i feel if u slap something in 1:1 without much change its pretty silly and boring too

i honestly still wouldnt call that stealing if its properly credited

brought up Alien Dream Emulator for that

in this situation i think whether something is stealing or not is seperate from whether it should be rated tho

8:03 AM

yk

remaking stuff of other levels with clear credit on the screen even

Sley

in this situation i think whether something is stealing or not is seperate from whether it should be rated tho

Yeah

8:03 AM

because like

8:03 AM

if someone steals designs for a joke level that isnt supposed to get rated

8:03 AM

its rlly different

8:03 AM

than if u try to pass it off as your own or try to get something like that rated without any clearance

Devilmine

is it truly stealing if u credit the person in question who u took it from tho

i dont think it is

8:06 AM

atleast not in this case

8:06 AM

to steal means you have to take something away from someone

8:06 AM

nobody is having something of theirs be taken away when someone else uses something theyve made

8:07 AM

its not like when u take a block design from someone it gets removed from the original level its in, lmao

its conceptually closer to copyright in a sense where its someone directly benefiting off of your work without permission ig

8:11 AM

but since money isnt involved here its way more of a gray area

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Halapeenyo

All my stuff is free to use and he ain’t even use anything :(

Cuz youre making platformers and thats forbidden

✨mbed✨

i dont think it is

At most u can classify it as stealing intellectual property i suppose

ivorystar is super clear cut stealing to me i dont see it as a grey area at all rly

8:43 AM

cus like even the creator admits they didnt get permssion as there would be a "risk that people would say no" or whatever they said in their doc

yeah

awarding a level like that a rating means that levels that sample without credit are 100% fully allowed whether or not the original creators are okay with it

my arguments here have purely been based on ivorystar waltz

very very bad precedent

i think umbra's other sample levels have been done well

cparc (only urgent report tags)

my arguments here have purely been based on ivorystar waltz

yeah i take no issue with the ones they've gotten full clearance from

with pre-existing permission and all

8:45 AM

i think those are okay

ivorystar just needs to be unrated IMO

but yeah as i mentioned before this really is just an "agree to disagree" case

8:47 AM

some of us dont fw it and some of us do (edited)

gecko

awarding a level like that a rating means that levels that sample without credit are 100% fully allowed whether or not the original creators are okay with it

its a weird precedent. because i think the mass majority of level remakes also fall under this umbrella, yet theyve been rewarded the same for literal years

cparc (only urgent report tags)

but yeah as i mentioned before this really is just an "agree to disagree" case

still a very valuable discussion to have imo (edited)

if what we are talking about is "intellectual property", anyways

good to know how people stand on this sorta thing + also good to recognize how divisive this topic is

remakes are not only directly tied to the original work but also often do designs & stuff very differently just with similar core ideas

8:49 AM

very different to me than just taking 1000+ assets and putting them in a level

yeah but id argue a level remake objectively steals more than ivorystar waltz

i disagree

the experience of a level is more important than its assets

8:49 AM

to me

a level like ivorystar waltz could still be very transformative and original depending on how well its concept is executed

and level remakes steal the core concept

8:50 AM

ivorystar waltz does not look or play like any of the levels it uses

i would take absolutely no issue with ivorystar if they had the assets cleared beforehand, my only problem is that they did not do that and creators of the assets are not happy with this

8:50 AM

they constantly have to update the level to appease these creators and it's just not a good precedent in general to me

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yeah im just saying this precedent has been destroyed already

8:50 AM

through concepts such as level remakes

Sley

still a very valuable discussion to have imo (edited)

oh 100% agreed

sure people ask the creators of the original levels SOMETIMES

i'm very wary of sending level remakes that dont change enough or do so without permission

8:51 AM

i've always hated remakes of krmal levels getting rated despite his very clear wishes for people to not do that

8:53 AM

ivorystar fundamentally is a perfectly fine level, and i would have probably sent it for epic had they cleared the assets, that is quite literally my only complaint however it is a complaint that ruins the entire vision of the level to me

i just think we collectively will always be horribly inconsistent on this and rob is always going to be inconsistent on this

8:55 AM

at what point does a design become an asset from someone else anyways

8:55 AM

half of the current day modern levels still be ripping off opticals old ass levels or whatever

8:55 AM

even if they dont even know they are doing it

8:55 AM

because theyve just become common designs

yea like id rather have ivorystar waltz rated than most of these current day modern levels because at least it does something creative and interesting

8:56 AM

it's still unclear to us whether rob was/is actually aware of the sampling and problematic crediting/permission with IW considering it got rated through umbra sending it to vip in v+p during one of those demon requests

8:57 AM

would be good to know so we at least know rob's stance

8:57 AM

if there is one

gecko

i'm very wary of sending level remakes that dont change enough or do so without permission

personally same, if the remake really doesnt do anything creative enough to stand out from the original for me then i wont send it. Originality is a big factor for me and if people dont add their own sort of twist somehow then im not gonna send it. Ivorystar takes assets from others and uses it in a creative way and its quite the original concept to be sampling and using assets from others and piecing them together. However its really just the attitude they had initially with it + the constant having to remove/replace assets because they didnt ask for permission.

im not going to disagree that umbras attitude was pretty bad lol

it still is in the sense that they did not go back on IW and clear the assets they used in the level, they just left it as is and hoped it was fine

8:59 AM

and with it getting rated, to them it is "fine" so this signals that both they + anyone else making sample levels can steal without permission

8:59 AM

that is my problem with it receiving a rating

well

8:59 AM

people can do that

9:00 AM

its a video game

9:00 AM

lol

9:00 AM

again its not like its taking anything away from other people

i dont really like that argument of "its just a video game"

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9:00 AM

its a very dismissive way to look at it really imo

Yea

yeah but this is an entire artistic aspect that is being shut down over reasons that dont particularly matter

9:01 AM

should collage art not exist?

Similar opinion that I heard when talking about stealing assets on Twitter

✨mbed✨

yeah but this is an entire artistic aspect that is being shut down over reasons that dont particularly matter

i am of the opinion that permission is necessary when reusing assets in your own levels, sampling is great, doing so without permission is not (edited)

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in gd's case i guess this is rather a question of ethics/morals than like idk rules/guidelines/"laws"

If the sampling was transformative in a significant way I think it would be appropiate if it's also not like the entire indentity of a level but this... is just plastering other peoples work which some also didn't give permission and trying to gain notoriety off of it

9:04 AM

Sampling needs to be done correctly before you can call it sampling

9:05 AM

This is just stealing

since yeah you don't necessarily "steal" the asset like mbed said but "stealing" in real life is a bit different than what we know "stealing" as within geometry dash

9:05 AM

since it's 2 different environments

9:05 AM

and contexts

to me this level is like this. none of the individual pieces were made by the artist, nor were they given permission to use them, but why should they care? its obviously not delivering the same message or visual identity

9:06 AM

i think the fact they are crediting is good. but permission for assortments of gd objects is silly to me

9:06 AM

atleast if we are talking about consistency in the rating system

Some people just dont want to collaborate with others and I think we shouldnt brush off their opinions

well they arent collaborating with others

Well yeah if they didnt give permission

9:07 AM

I get where youre trying to come from but I dont think this works the same way in GD

umbra did pass the level off as a collab with all the creators involved

ok but lets be fr no one thinks of it like an actual collab (edited)

with how he referred to the level in his doc

i also think the fact it is gd pushes my point further

9:08 AM

there is literally no monetary incentive

9:08 AM

for this to be called stealing

9:08 AM

you are super duper not taking away anything from anyone else by doing this

✨mbed✨

to me this level is like this. none of the individual pieces were made by the artist, nor were they given permission to use them, but why should they care? its obviously not delivering the same message or visual identity

in the case of IW there have been many many cases of creators wanting their assets removed from the level as they did not permit the usage of them, and there are bound to be many more too, i'd be of the same opinion if the original artists of any of these segments in the painting had problems with their work being reused to me it is just taking others work with no permission, aka stealing because getting said permission "would take too long" in umbra's own words, which is an absolutely terrible mindset to have for a project like this imo

you can criticize the level for those reasons all you want and its valid for you to do so however i do not think it says anything about what it means to sample in large

i think this is less an argument about sampling in large because i think most people here have no issue with that

9:10 AM

it's specifically about doing that without permission

yeah im saying permission is a useless thing in this game

i very fundamentally disagree with that

theres probably like 100 fuckjillion levels that use the death moon star

9:11 AM

that are rated

the argument that "levels that sample without permission are rated" isn't very good imo because i think many of us here would not send these levels had we known they were doing this

there seems to be a weird disconnect that if a level is popular enough it is okay to take from without permission, so i dont know why this does not extend to everything

many assets are not widely known enough to recognised (edited)

9:12 AM

which i think is especially problematic because sometimes it's a very small creator having their work taken and having almost no voice to be able to fight against it

yeah and in the case of creatively devoid levels i would not send them because they are not adding anything to the game

9:13 AM

this is why i only send levels that i think are adding something new to the game and not just reaching a bar of quality

9:13 AM

if someones work is being taken and is being flipped into something that is unique and different then frankly i dont care

9:14 AM

because it was never about the original work

9:15 AM

people remake things from games that are not gd all the time in their levels, and those get rated. does the intellectual property of non gd players matter in the same way?

in a level 100% comprised of samples i believe it is about the original work

9:16 AM

and that's not a bad thing, i think the concept of the level is great, fantastic even, it just didn't do the one crucial thing to make me value it as a level concept which is ask for permission

9:16 AM

it is just something we'll never agree on i think

do people have to credit Shigeru Miyamoto and Takashi Tezuka in their levels whenever they include a [?] block in their platformer levels?

✨mbed✨

people remake things from games that are not gd all the time in their levels, and those get rated. does the intellectual property of non gd players matter in the same way?

game remakes should not be rated in my opinion but i don't know how widespread this opinion is

im not saying game remakes

they hold no value to me because i can just play the original

im saying singular assets from a game they like and are referencing

I personally think mbed is right to say that, on paper, this isn't stealing. I do think there is an argument to be made about courtesy, and whether you as the uploader of the level consider permission of assets as important. This is why we see a couple of people reach out to the creator to ask for their bits to be taken away. Stealing shouldn't be exclusive to money.

the concept of extra lives, powerups, etc

✨mbed✨

the concept of extra lives, powerups, etc

the difference here to me is that these levels also do their own thing, they do not ride solely off of other people's hard work

If you were to take assets without credit, you open yourself to the possibility of consequence. Consequence can be anything.

and ivorystar waltz, objectively, looks nothing like any individual level it is borrowing from to be created

9:19 AM

the work to create ivorystar waltz was arguably more of a trial than many of the individual levels being used

again, great level concept, did not get permission so in my eyes it is stealing

it would have been easier for the creator to make something from scratch if they simply wanted creator points

i would agree that the example of game powerups would also be stealing, but in those cases it's a much smaller portion of the level that has stolen

9:19 AM

for IW, it is almost exclusively stealing

✨mbed✨

it would have been easier for the creator to make something from scratch if they simply wanted creator points

can you elaborate?

Polagriffe

can you elaborate?

have you tried working with assets before? its fucking miserable

9:20 AM

LMAO

9:20 AM

im just saying that its not like they did it to take some easy road by fucking over others

9:20 AM

it is a deliberate artistic choice

9:21 AM

nor do i think it is a creatively bankrupt choice

Intentions can be good hearted but the execution of those intentions is also important

its their choice to make and i dont think we should be the ones policing it

9:21 AM

if rob cares rob can care

If the creator intends to make a stylistic choice to 'copy' from other levels, they are within their right. But it shouldn't come as a surprise that owners of these 'copied' assets can be dissatisfied with the usage if the 'stolen' assets. Those are consequences the creator must face.

9:22 AM

And those consequences can range from 'oh i dont appreciate it' to ''wow you stole my assets dude''

Polagriffe

If the creator intends to make a stylistic choice to 'copy' from other levels, they are within their right. But it shouldn't come as a surprise that owners of these 'copied' assets can be dissatisfied with the usage if the 'stolen' assets. Those are consequences the creator must face.

and those personal consequences can exist

9:23 AM

i did not send ivorystar waltz because i do not like the level. i think it is quite frankly a very boring level. but i do not dislike it for what it stands for

you're within your right

the same consequences exist for making anything in this game

9:23 AM

people can be upset with your levels

9:23 AM

people can dislike your levels

9:24 AM

your level can have visible dislikes in game if it sucks so bad

If someone says 'wow you stole my assets dude' to a guy who did that, it basically tells me to not send or endorse this level

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and you are within your right to make that judgement

9:24 AM

i personally would care about why the asset is taken than just the fact it is taken at all though

levels have been downrated or outright unrated for asset stealing, and it is the exact same case here to me

Or well, first try to verify if it's a true claim... since you dont know with people nowadays

gecko

levels have been downrated or outright unrated for asset stealing, and it is the exact same case here to me

and seemingly they are not upfront about it always

✨mbed✨

i personally would care about why the asset is taken than just the fact it is taken at all though

For me the reasoning in this particular case isn't just enough sadly. I wish I could say I like what the level went for, but it did that poorly (edited)

The way I see it, in the context of Geometry Dash sampling designs from other levels is fine as long as it's used in a transformative way and is done with credit to the original source. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing if this process didn't involve reaching out to the creator first before using said designs, but I also think that just being able to have the courtesy to do so is just a moral thing to do. Personally I do not mind if my designs get sampled, but I would like to be informed and/or, at the very least credited, so I don't have to worry about people passing off my ideas as their own.

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necter

For me the reasoning in this particular case isn't just enough sadly. I wish I could say I like what the level went for, but it did that poorly (edited)

personally, its not enough for me either. but this is an argument that can extend to more than just this level

inf

The way I see it, in the context of Geometry Dash sampling designs from other levels is fine as long as it's used in a transformative way and is done with credit to the original source. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing if this process didn't involve reaching out to the creator first before using said designs, but I also think that just being able to have the courtesy to do so is just a moral thing to do. Personally I do not mind if my designs get sampled, but I would like to be informed and/or, at the very least credited, so I don't have to worry about people passing off my ideas as their own.

Yea even if you don't mind getting sampled you should be asked first cause what if the person is just... someone you dont like or someone just outright bad

9:27 AM

Not saying Umbra is ofc but its always best to know whats happening with your work I think

i think if someone chooses not to get permission that is potentially a moral failing on their part but i do not think it diminishes their work that much.

9:28 AM

credit is the most important part to me

9:28 AM

famously, Weird Al would always get permission to do parodies of other peoples work even though he was under no obligation to (edited)

Also, I know I was brought up a couple times in yesterday's discussion in the scenario of Ivorystar Waltz and Umbra. I want to clarify that the reason why I blocked Umbra is because he was being a massive dick to me on and off chat and also engaged in public shittalking when i was at my lowest period of mental health back in 2023. My disdain for him using my ideas in IW is purely personal and not reflective of the evolution of my opinion on sampling matters

9:34 AM

Ultimately, the main thing I wish to advocate for is crediting. We've had this discussion several times at this point, but crediting the source of a given idea or inspiration is simply a nice and ethical thing to do. The past 24 hours I've seen people here advocate for IW or JJ being unrated due to its "mishandling" of assets, and I wouldn't agree. While Umbra could certainly be more proactive in mitigating potential conflict from individuals who would much rather keep ideas exclusively within their own project, at the end of the day he did give credit where credit is necessary. If he didn't care for the ethics of sampling he wouldn't have written a document to begin with. (edited)

rob is fine with the level

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9:35 AM

rating won't change

My only issue beyond what's been described is that I'd much rather see Umbra make his own original concepts than have his creating identity be specifically plunderphonics-based levels as it has been in recent times

random fixation ig

i still can't believe he used your stuff despite you having him blocked that's rly crazy and very bad on his part to me

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Well he didn't use any of my stuff in Juxtaposed Junction

yeah JJ seems fine

so i'm pretty sure he got the memo i don't fuck with him

had a look through the doc

9:36 AM

even still, i heavily dislike that IW will continue to be problematic

Viprin

rob is fine with the level

ty for letting us know G

9:36 AM

good to know robs stance

who's to say these "replacement" assets they take will be without issues? they could be taken from creators who equally do not want to be sampled

I guess it's not our problem if it's problematic for people if rob decided its fine

i assume when you shared it with him you mentioned the nature of it being sampled right @Viprin

9:37 AM

just outta curiosity

gecko

who's to say these "replacement" assets they take will be without issues? they could be taken from creators who equally do not want to be sampled

i was under the impression he would ask for permission for those

rob does not think you need explicit permission in this case

inf

My only issue beyond what's been described is that I'd much rather see Umbra make his own original concepts than have his creating identity be specifically plunderphonics-based levels as it has been in recent times

his original levels were better lol

9:37 AM

i quite liked that one auto level

clear credit, no intention of passing anything off as their own, altogether not a replacement of the original levels at all

good to know moving forward

it just seems very odd to me that this is a go-ahead to just sample whatever you want with no permission as long as you credit but i guess if that's the stance then that's what it'll be

not one i'm personally very happy with at all but i guess that's down to personal preference

gecko

it just seems very odd to me that this is a go-ahead to just sample whatever you want with no permission as long as you credit but i guess if that's the stance then that's what it'll be

you always could

9:38 AM

remake levels since the beginning of gd

9:38 AM

mashups

9:38 AM

v2s

Ultrasans was cool resampling

I will abstain to endorse levels of similar vain in the future personally, however it is good to know Robs stance on this

me too

9:39 AM

most remakes are very uninteresting and derive too much from the original too

9:39 AM

never liked the idea of them at all

9:39 AM

some are good tho

those bryan mashups are still some of my fav levels ever

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9:39 AM

holy cookage

gecko

it just seems very odd to me that this is a go-ahead to just sample whatever you want with no permission as long as you credit but i guess if that's the stance then that's what it'll be

doesnt sharp minor literally include an original button that leads to fairydust

necter

I will abstain to endorse levels of similar vain in the future personally, however it is good to know Robs stance on this

yeah its good to know what rob thinks of this so, glad this was cleared up

Viprin

v2s

These worked cuz we recreated Robtops stuff in his own game and he liked it a lot

Bryans was cool but he ruined it iirc

If sonic wave was L1

yea ive never seen taking stuff from rob's levels as problematic cus hes the guy who decides if it gets rated anyway so it doesnt matter as much

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there are v2s of much more than rob's levels

Hychie

just like how in music when samples arent cleared the songs cant like, be monetized

also this is fundamentally false

9:40 AM

im just reading back on it

i probably wouldnt have supported the rating of those equally as much as i dont support IW then

Bit of a deviant question but to those who are involved in the music scene, I wanted to ask, what's the courtesy for those sampling tunes from other songs? For example, Juice WRLD's "Lucid Dreams" sampling the melody of Sting's "Shape of My Heart"? Are there any royalties that take place or is it just a mutual agreement, be it direct or indirect go "its all good cuh"

✨mbed✨

If sonic wave was L1

this level is 2 entire iterations of taking entire level concepts without permission :D

agree to disagree case as we said earlier at the end of the day

Kinda crazy how little v2s we get nowadays tbh

inf

Bit of a deviant question but to those who are involved in the music scene, I wanted to ask, what's the courtesy for those sampling tunes from other songs? For example, Juice WRLD's "Lucid Dreams" sampling the melody of Sting's "Shape of My Heart"? Are there any royalties that take place or is it just a mutual agreement, be it direct or indirect go "its all good cuh"

That exact song is a popular example actually

necter

Kinda crazy how little v2s we get nowadays tbh

we still get them they just called [Different Adjective] [Different Noun] now

necter

Kinda crazy how little v2s we get nowadays tbh

That concept got hated like shit

As Sting went on to ask for 80% of royalties from the song iirc

9:41 AM

necter

That exact song is a popular example actually

There's that, and there's also the melody in ATC's Around The World that's been used a lot in modern day

inf

Bit of a deviant question but to those who are involved in the music scene, I wanted to ask, what's the courtesy for those sampling tunes from other songs? For example, Juice WRLD's "Lucid Dreams" sampling the melody of Sting's "Shape of My Heart"? Are there any royalties that take place or is it just a mutual agreement, be it direct or indirect go "its all good cuh"

depends!! if the samples are cleared then it tends to be a private agreement - this is usually done for music that IS mainstream. if they ARENT said music usually is uploaded to sites like bandcamp where they may still be bought and generally are pretty unlikely to be taken down bc its a whole lawsuit

v2s inherently credit where they sample from, it’s in the title of the level where it’s from. IW took without asking and made it near impossible to know what objects were taken from where, i think this level is different from a v2

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necter

As Sting went on to ask for 80% of royalties from the song iirc

Wow thats

9:42 AM

hefty

eyle

depends!! if the samples are cleared then it tends to be a private agreement - this is usually done for music that IS mainstream. if they ARENT said music usually is uploaded to sites like bandcamp where they may still be bought and generally are pretty unlikely to be taken down bc its a whole lawsuit

for example, dj sabrina does not clear her samples but she isnt considered relevant enough to actually warrant a lawsuit

What about Ariana Grande's Seven Rings?

that does clear its sample i believe

As a small music artist most people wont let you clear samples anyway because you are... well, small artist

✨mbed✨

those bryan mashups are still some of my fav levels ever

i love those too

Or you just dont have the money to buy the rights to sample

bryan cooks

but again monetization does not correlate with clearance like the conversation implied (edited)

9:43 AM

most vaporwave songs are not cleared, most plunderphonics, all dariacore, etc arent either

What about people like notxaev, takahiro(fks), ta1lsd0ll and lemkuuja that have sampled snippets to whole chunks of more mainstream songs?

inf

What about people like notxaev, takahiro(fks), ta1lsd0ll and lemkuuja that have sampled snippets to whole chunks of more mainstream songs?

no clearance

9:44 AM

As someone who was incredibly angry when i saw my levels were sampled from, i consider it stealing since they took my assets without asking and used them as filler objects. The credit was dogshit, like you go into a external spreadsheet and it says “sakura aether ‘saw’” like doesn’t even say what it looks like or where in the level they are, i think JJ is a much better example of sampling done correctly (tho i still think umbras crediting is shit) (edited)

Best way to credit would just be putting peoples names over decorations and make it invisible

2

they get all the money but if a song of theirs goes mega viral they may get handed a lawsuit

9:45 AM

that's the tradeoff in music

eyle

no clearance

so are they prone to DMCA takedown?

yea but most ppl do not care

gotcha

eyle

they get all the money but if a song of theirs goes mega viral they may get handed a lawsuit

Yea which is why Juice wrlds song got hit like that years after release lmaooo

curious, do you guys think WOODKID technically falls under sampling?

bc they do not warrant said dmca takedown as their songs arent actually charting

9:45 AM

itd be too much effort

like i said as well, levels and music sampling are so incredibly different i don’t understand comparing them.

~~i never cared much for woodkid and i forgot how it looks like~~

gecko

curious, do you guys think WOODKID technically falls under sampling?

yes but its of copyrighted material so its subject to legal repercussions

9:45 AM

lmfao

ya

Reminds me, I got recommended a video of the level the other day. Fairly recent one, at that

✨mbed✨

yes but its of copyrighted material so its subject to legal repercussions

ooh never actually knew it was copyrighted, just thought the band asked for it to be removed or whatever

well that also just happened independently

9:47 AM

which is Funny

✨mbed✨

which is Funny

coffee backwards being eeffoc:

1

Woodkid had such a sad fate tbh

God Eater/Astral Divinity is a prime example of tracing copyrighted material that went towards real legal issues

it’s funny how few people know woodkid was verified lmao

inf

God Eater/Astral Divinity is a prime example of tracing copyrighted material that went towards real legal issues

im gonna be fully honest there's a pretty big likelihood of someone using a nong getting a dmca

9:48 AM

if gd continues growing

Hot take woodkid > god eater

woodkid is fantastic

eyle

for example, dj sabrina does not clear her samples but she isnt considered relevant enough to actually warrant a lawsuit

this is so funny to me lol too irrelevant to bother suing

bc the concept of nonging is essentially piracy

i dont like nongs Easy

(edited)

Gusearth

this is so funny to me lol too irrelevant to bother suing

ya lol that's basically the case

9:49 AM

like a ton of artists are simply too flop khia

Gusearth

this is so funny to me lol too irrelevant to bother suing

also dj sabrina is kind of an insane case bc she actually DID chart on the uk charts multiple times (edited)

9:50 AM

idk how she's avoided a dmca so far

plot armor

also dj sets will like never ever clear lmao

ya lol

and i like listening to those

or say

9:51 AM

dariacore

dariacore is a crazy term when u think about it

and even if they get taken off spotify bandcamp is just a far easier way to make money lol

i hate the term dariacore so much

9:51 AM

worst naming for a genre ever

the genre is just a dj set in a song

9:51 AM

half the time

necter

worst naming for a genre ever

the intelligent dance music on the table:

i am not putting that guy on the table bro

the vegan straight edge on the table:

IDM

making up stuff now...

9:52 AM

i do not understand the hype in jane remover

https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/vegan-straight-edge/

inf

i do not understand the hype in jane remover

same

9:52 AM

inf

i do not understand the hype in jane remover

jane remover will be fire when her mixdowns stop sounding like they had 10 db clipped right off

inf

i do not understand the hype in jane remover

missing out I fear

eyle

jane remover will be fire when her mixdowns stop sounding like they had 10 db clipped right off

i wonder how many people know the terminology in here

i think shes still good

i have listened to a few of her songs and i just don't like them sorry

necter

i wonder how many people know the terminology in here

same

eyle

also dj sabrina is kind of an insane case bc she actually DID chart on the uk charts multiple times (edited)

do u think if the artist fucked with the song they’d just be like yea ur chillin

Gusearth

do u think if the artist fucked with the song they’d just be like yea ur chillin

sometimes this is unironically the case

yea lmao

As far as i'm concerned GoodKid and TheFatRat are the closest thing to mainstream artists that have usable songs in GD/are okay with their music in GD (edited)

tbh id prolly say half the time lawsuits happen is because of labels

eyle

jane remover will be fire when her mixdowns stop sounding like they had 10 db clipped right off

jane remover will be fire when i unblock gracie abrams

9:54 AM

(never)

labels are the devil of music industry

eyle

jane remover will be fire when her mixdowns stop sounding like they had 10 db clipped right off

thoughs on Video’s song?

https://soundcloud.com/milkfish4k4k4k/b12?ref=clipboard&p=i&c=0&si=8CE6848D203B4DAFAFDDAD05DA690DE9&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing this mogs all dariacore

the benefits in question: 2 weeks pto, separate 5 days sick balance, no 401k match, no stock options, no HSA

gecko

thoughs on Video’s song?

i think its good

inf

As far as i'm concerned GoodKid and TheFatRat are the closest thing to mainstream artists that have usable songs in GD/are okay with their music in GD (edited)

dj sabrina outsold so

can we just sign loona

Loona new mod???

i bet robtop could straight up purchase their old fraudulent label

necter

Loona new mod???

Gusearth

can we just sign loona

TRUE

10:03 AM

#yvesformod

10:03 AM

we need lesbian rep

eyle

dj sabrina outsold so

nvm wtf from the start has like 200 million streams

10:11 AM

i thought fsr it had like 5 mil

i saw woodkid mentioned

10:11 AM

biggest fumble in gd history

10:11 AM

literally

10:15 AM

woodkid is like the mefewe 98 of creating

bro woodkid didn’t even make it to 50%

is there/would there ever be a way to permanently whitelist a level from the "unlist bug" caused by img2gd? been helping a creator with some balance changes on a level that uses it which was relisted to the servers after upload, but as we know if it were updated at all it'll go back to unlisted

12:33 PM

it would certainly be convenient to not have to go through relisting it for every small update

does updating an already uploaded level that got unlisted for img2gd make it go unlisted again?

unless it's rated, yes

would be cool for relists to be permanent

gecko

is there/would there ever be a way to permanently whitelist a level from the "unlist bug" caused by img2gd? been helping a creator with some balance changes on a level that uses it which was relisted to the servers after upload, but as we know if it were updated at all it'll go back to unlisted

not that I know of

ye

1:25 PM

u can always dm me abt relists

1:25 PM

can help

same here

is it possible that "magma vitality" is a stolen version of "fireworks" by knox14?

4:34 PM

karmados doesnt seem to have any other levels uploaded neither on gd and on youtube, while knox has other levels and fireworks was uploaded 2 years ago

4:35 PM

i got suspicious after seeing the description of magma vitality saying it was made in 4 hours with an editor time of 20 minutes which is extremely low, even counting for inaccuraties, and looking at the description of fireworks, it being reuploaded from a gdps would explain the low editor time

maaaan

4:35 PM

thats disappointing (edited)

it really is

i was really sure its a genuine level made by a new creator

i sent the level like a month ago not knowing about this

same

4:36 PM

did the og creator reach you out about this?

4:36 PM

130 downloads is crazy

nothing is on the grid

4:36 PM

in magma vitality

necter

did the og creator reach you out about this?

no, i just remembered liking the level and checked the description randomly

i find it funny how the snap to the grid feature not being on by default when copying is how you can tell someone stole stuff

mag

nothing is on the grid

cmon

4:37 PM

yeah fireworks is on grid

4:37 PM

i think its pretty safe to say magma vitality is stolen

yea

also bit of a less important thing but its very 2.1

someone dm rob quick ‼️

knox doesnt have a video of the level uploaded on their youtube, but they have many other creations there

i sent the og level

1

like idk I just cant see a creator with no rates and no building experience making a level like this in 2.2 for the first time

necter

someone dm rob quick ‼️

ill dm him

nice theres still rates, so he will prob see it after

4:45 PM

original rated

4:46 PM

very quick

4:47 PM

lovely

rlly glad cos that lvl is so baller

true

i'm not sugarcoating this at all, i'm really upset with the decision rob made about sampling stuff in gd, i don't like the idea that any asset i or others make can be stolen and used non-transformatively in a rated level even if asked explicitly not to do so, like with what happened with some assets in ivorystar waltz (edited)

7:21 PM

i thought we moved past the 'taking stuff without permission' phase of geometry dash in 2.0 and early 2.1, while v2s and 'if x was level 1' land mashup levels were fine at the time, i feel like as the community has grown so has the complexity and time needed to make assets in levels and creators deserve to be able to protect those assets, even if they're not legally theirs (edited)

7:23 PM

i dont know if rob understands the gravity of how the assets were used and how some assets were just slapped in with no changes to them, but i feel like he should at the very least be made aware of that

he understands ye

7:24 PM

the number of assets, how they were used, how they were credited, etc.

Viprin

the number of assets, how they were used, how they were credited, etc.

the way it was done, if that precedent was set, would basically allow any creator to take any asset they want and use it in their levels without permission (and get a rate), even if the creator explicity says 'dont do that, i dont want you to' (edited)

7:27 PM

i know at the very least one person doesn't want their assets in that level

7:27 PM

and there's likely more

It took me a lot more time to plan my levels, time spent in photoshop sketching concepts and then actually in gd making objects that weren't too intensive and optimizing. Super frustrating to see a creator take that without asking for little time and use it as just filler in their level (in my case too, not even caring enough to make sure the rotation trigger worked correctly) and to see Rob completely okay with that creator doing that to hundreds of others without any permission is honestly just a slap in the face

1

7:28 PM

makes me feel like he doesn't care

i don't really think we need to assume how much time was spent on it, like that's never gonna be an objective measure of how rate-worthy a level is, but i know for a fact that umbraleviathan put a lot of time into these projects

7:32 PM

other points are understandable

ye i think there was a lot of time put into the level

7:32 PM

100s of hours(?) i think

1

I mean, I can see that actually, the research needed would've been intensive. But ultimately it's copy pasting my time intensive work which is more so what my point was, felt like it took no time because they were broken in the final project. I don't think time spent = rate worthiness tho

sink

the way it was done, if that precedent was set, would basically allow any creator to take any asset they want and use it in their levels without permission (and get a rate), even if the creator explicity says 'dont do that, i dont want you to' (edited)

that precedence was always there i think, just hasn't been before recently that people started really making these massive sampling projects and not just levels with a few random references, mashups, v2s, remakes, etc.

7:36 PM

so only the scale changed imo

7:36 PM

i know many creators who made those types of levels i just mentioned without any permission

7:36 PM

and they got rated

i feel like v2s and remakes are different, i'll copy paste what i said earlier one sec

i already read it

7:37 PM

sure, there is a clearer inherent credit, but you can find the credits for umbra's level too

7:37 PM

it's in the description

sakura ♡

v2s inherently credit where they sample from, it’s in the title of the level where it’s from. IW took without asking and made it near impossible to know what objects were taken from where, i think this level is different from a v2

i agree that he could make it clearer what exactly he used

it would be cool if he like

fundamentally, they do the same thing

7:37 PM

if they reuse assets

put every asset above the level that he used and gives name, level and such so u can see what is from who exactly

7:38 PM

better than an outside document imo

7:38 PM

but generally yeah

Viprin

sure, there is a clearer inherent credit, but you can find the credits for umbra's level too

i personally think his credit is very poor and bad. it goes "12345678 | level | creator | "saw" | auditer" which doesn't give proper credit to the objects, just that they do exist somewhere in the level

Viprin

i agree that he could make it clearer what exactly he used

ye

sorry i'm tunnel visioning a reply and not seeing what you're typing 2 seconds later

i think everyone agrees he handled the execution of this project poorly

2

Viprin

i know many creators who made those types of levels i just mentioned without any permission

and i personally think that that precedent is not a good one, i was hoping it'd changed since then (edited)

even tho credit is there it could've been better

7:39 PM

and asking for permission is just the good way

at least for rated levels

sink

and i personally think that that precedent is not a good one, i was hoping it'd changed since then (edited)

well, in the end it's just up to what robtop thinks

ofc ye

yeahh, i'm not upset with you i'm upset at rob

robtop generally doesn't wanna cause drama that comes from unrates and lowering rating tier and such tho

7:41 PM

but if he sees that a lot of people dislike him rating a specific type of level, he will just be more wary in the future and avoid it

7:41 PM

so it can change in that way

7:41 PM

he prefers silently handling these things

honestly it probably is better to not touch it for that reason

7:42 PM

i only hope its kinda a one-off thing and he's not setting a precedent for how other creators' assets are used

i get that honestly, i do think that you can't solve everything like that and choosing to not act has it's own downsides, like personally to me it feels like rob doesn't care about the creators who had their work taken and cares more about the final level

at least for rates i think permission should be the gold standard

i mean if im entirely honest

7:43 PM

Id much rather have levels start crediting for taking stuff rather than hide it

i think he cares about the concerns for sure, he just doesn't wanna start anything if he can avoid it

7:43 PM

ye umbra at least credits even tho it's poor

7:44 PM

but the bar is at the bottom

7:44 PM

twitter thought chuchitodomin or whatever was fine

7:44 PM

Especially if that precedent causes people to ACTUALLY at bare minimum say who they took it from in an ideal scenario

7:44 PM

instead of hiding cuz = no rate

also now umbra asks for permission?

ye umbras new levels r perfect

so really the mistake was rating the level where he handled it worst

he does, honestly i wish JJ got rated instead

Ye

wouldn't care if it was the other one

sakura ♡

he does, honestly i wish JJ got rated instead

Already is i think

oh crazy

sink

ye umbras new levels r perfect

aparrently not

If its the insane demon

uh oh

Infra said umbra never aksed permission for his new level

7:45 PM

that samples from Infra (edited)

7:45 PM

even though he told me that he

7:45 PM

"agressively asked"

Wasn't that still for ivory where he didn't do that

I forgot

yeahhhh

sorry

it's also understandably hard for rob to like research the background of a level like this huge sheet

"robustly ask"

ofc ye

the level had like 15 ~epic sends

Viprin

it's also understandably hard for rob to like research the background of a level like this huge sheet

Frankly this is why I think we should just not rate sample levels

True tbh if thats an issue

it's just way too much to worry about

ye tbh i kinda tried to avoid them but this time i was suggested it and saw it had many sends then i made a mistake asking rob to check it

7:47 PM

honestly i kinda agree, people just gotta make their own shit

Audie's Contest had a lot of good entries that followed rules

7:48 PM

but in general

7:48 PM

it's just too much

ye it gets messy pretty fast

Tony

Frankly this is why I think we should just not rate sample levels

i agree ye

the best way to not have rob rate something is for it to just not be sent but cant expect mods to be perfect either and sometimes miss info or send too quick

7:50 PM

all it takes is like a couple out of 80 mods

Yeah that's how the first sample level got rated afaik

ye i think my main worry was that he was just fine with assets being taken without permission in rated levels (edited)

was just some sends

but its def more complex than that (edited)

Tony

Infra said umbra never aksed permission for his new level

quickly clarifying that umbra never sampled anything from me for Juxtaposed Junction, nor has he reached out to me about it. The problem was with the level before, Ivorystar Waltz, where he DID sample from me while I had him blocked and wanted nothing to do with him.

Ah

7:51 PM

I see

7:51 PM

I misunderstood

np

wait that's fucked

7:52 PM

but it's like both awesome and cooked that it takes 1 mod for rob to see a level

Umbra's had very

7:52 PM

poor views on sampling in GD

7:52 PM

imo

7:53 PM

it took extreme backlash for him to decide that he should ask permission to use people's creations in his levels

7:53 PM

and even during Audie's CC he's been obnoxious about rules and such

ye i'll prolly avoid sending those if i get them suggested again

7:57 PM

don't really wanna contribute

honestly what sucks is i kinda love the idea of sampled levels if it's done correctly, if only people actually asked for permission as like, common sense and not as a "i got a lot of backlash so i'm changing how i do things"

this is why we had demon suggestions you know

8:03 PM

cos rob didnt wanna bother researching demons which typically have more background info and potential drama

nah highkey i actually don't mind demon suggestions haha

8:06 PM

i be using my "no rate" power

8:06 PM

would be cool if it was in game instead of in threads

Viprin

cos rob didnt wanna bother researching demons which typically have more background info and potential drama

Tbh tho I feel like that has been much less of an issue since 2.2 tbh

yee less hack verifications

8:07 PM

and cbf unrate stopped that

even outside drama just has been kinda less with demons

wait for grief bro

1

8:08 PM

things will change

Grief is gonna be a bonfire

8:08 PM

we are gonna be cooked

Tbh tho I wonder how much drama it'll actually give considering Rob's stance always was clear

8:09 PM

so it has a definitive not grasped at straws reason

gotta start lobbying him to not beat it until robs cbf DemonKey

Compared to assumptions before

8:09 PM

Will be interesting to see

idk if the kids care what rob's stance is

8:09 PM

they want the rate

For sure

8:09 PM

i wonder why doggie continues to verify with it knowing the stance tho, i wonder if he believes the level will change the rules

Level is too hard without and its just to kinda push the Idea of CBF more

i think he just wants it on demonlist, and he thinks demonlist will allow unrated levels for it

yeah im ngl its probably just too hard without it

ive talked to him about it before and i think he suggested making a statement about not giving rob or mods hate for no rate

8:10 PM

hope he goes through with it

He prolly will don't see any reason he wouldn't

doggie is pretty chill like that

Do think that it could help or give rob more reasons to add it sooner than later (edited)

he just wants it to be recognized as the hardest level ever essentially

i do wish we could see eye to eye on cbf, it's clearly an unfair advantage, it's a shame they allowed it

i feel like when rob "cbf" is added it just wont work the same as theirs and doggie wont be able to play with it anyway

8:12 PM

:(

very real possibility

Viprin

i feel like when rob "cbf" is added it just wont work the same as theirs and doggie wont be able to play with it anyway

Could probably be ironed out over time

8:12 PM

wouldn't see a reason that rob would be against it

doggie waking up to prepare for "Grief 99% stream 1000" seeing robtop added CBF and it doesn't work the same (edited)

I mean thing is

8:13 PM

CBF functionally can only work one way

Devilmine

wouldn't see a reason that rob would be against it

well, he was against some insane tps value the pre 2.2 hacks used

It interpolates movements between frames

i don't even understand how CBF works, how do you click between frames?

in vanilla gd u can have maximum 240 steps per second you can click on. with cbf u can click outside those 240 steps whenever

sakura ♡

i don't even understand how CBF works, how do you click between frames?

It records ur inputs between frames and interpolates/calculates the theoretical placement youd be at in the next frame

ohh

It keeps physics 100% identical but allows for better and more fair precision

"fair" is a strong word haha

8:14 PM

but i see

I mean UNIRONICALLY it is more fair

8:14 PM

in the context of the mod

yeah i get what you mean, i just think it's funny cuz cbf is anything but fair, just makes the game easier for players who use it which is why i don't understand why it got allowed by pointercrate

Im gonna be honest, ive been using it on off in copies to see if I can tell a reasonable difference that makes it unfair

8:16 PM

and its really marginal but adds so much consistency especially if u lag

its def been a bit of a problem that this site has been allowing random mods without any official stances taken into account

8:16 PM

a lot of bad drama couldve been avoided

8:16 PM

but oh well

8:16 PM

they got power they wanna use too

feel like we could've been enforcing hard too back in the day, like leaderboard banning people using mods some random website says is fine

gd has no official competitive scene and lbs are kinda a joke for many so rob has little action to take

that's true

with expanded lbs and if multiplayer happens, it can be more attractive to be legit/vanilla

8:18 PM

like if there are official player tournaments with good prizes

8:18 PM

gd world cup

8:18 PM

then we wont allow cheaters ofc

that would be lit actually

tbh i don't even think that many hacks that are allowed nowadays are as questionable or bad compared to 2.1

imagining fucking

at least personally

C9 Zoink

yee

Especially cuz rob added a lot of those things

i was talking over all of gd's history

Ah

8:19 PM

Ye makes sense

hopefully rob adds some cbf that is good

8:19 PM

and maybe then there wont be any more major physics changes needed (edited)

Viprin

and maybe then there wont be any more major physics changes needed (edited)

Actually crazy to think that this might actually be a reality

8:21 PM

GD, the game that used to have infinite amounts of physics bugs to be basically be ideal for the rest of time

8:22 PM

going from 2.1 refreshrate bullshit -> 2.2 fixing that and then cbf would be so awesome

ye def

Im still so glad that 2.2 unified physics cuz I remember how terrible physics bugs were in 2.1

feel like rob should've handled this a bit faster

8:22 PM

been 2 years soon

8:22 PM

crazy

Viprin

been 2 years soon

2 years of 2.2 is insane it still feels like its only been 8 months or so

8:23 PM

to think that gd is reaching a new steam all high rn too or on its way

Devilmine

Tbh tho I wonder how much drama it'll actually give considering Rob's stance always was clear

Considering how many people on twt, reddit, and some discord folks (aka, all the main sources for the drama) are wanting grief to either be the exception, or for it to change the rules outright, I anticipate it'll be pretty high drama.

Yo it seems like another creator got hacked

11:42 PM

Try to search for "CharlieKirkGD"

11:43 PM

Its ign

11:43 PM

Would be good if someone investigated for free levels and forwarded to rob since I can't cuz working (edited)

CazVixX 🥀

Would be good if someone investigated for free levels and forwarded to rob since I can't cuz working (edited)

its zYuko

11:46 PM

was she actually hacked ?

she just made a profile post

11:47 PM

cant change IGN for a week but has account back ig?

she posted on twitter saying she got hacked

ah I see

Chloe 🥀

cant change IGN for a week but has account back ig?

but also this yeah

11:49 PM

i also cant check for free levels atm

none r free i think

Rabbit Hole - 115881666 Heartbeat - 111490461 Lets All Love Lain - 107931293 Void World - 107052022

11:53 PM

only those atm

Bert

Rabbit Hole - 115881666 Heartbeat - 111490461 Lets All Love Lain - 107931293 Void World - 107052022

@CazVixX 🥀

oh i checked literally everything except those 4 LOL

do the ppl getting hacked just have shit passwords or what

probably idek

11:55 PM

its not that hard to just make a super good password and save it somewhere irl

Oh I didn't see that u were busy kaz

11:55 PM

will forward to rob

Viprin

do the ppl getting hacked just have shit passwords or what

i think its a combination of that and like data leaks from other websites iirc

12:11 AM

its a shame

Bert

will forward to rob

Thx ❤️

this level was buffed very significantly (removed all checkpoints)

mag

this level was buffed very significantly (removed all checkpoints)

insanely lazy buff too omg, didn't even remove the start text saying "checkpoints every room"

3:12 AM

def needs a revert

yeah wtf thats so lame

mag

this level was buffed very significantly (removed all checkpoints)

i really do wonder what goes through the mind when doing this stuff

mag

this level was buffed very significantly (removed all checkpoints)

Thought it'd be fun to be before it gets reverted

3:39 AM

I like sightreading plats a lot more than sightreading classics icl

Viprin

do the ppl getting hacked just have shit passwords or what

People have been actively looking through password/account breach databases and finding peoples accounts by tracing email/usernames to gd accounts

4:01 AM

Alot of the ppl who get hacked dont have access to the email attached anymore as well in some cases and cannot change it

2FA for GD

necter

2FA for GD

I unironically think gd needs Smth like that

4:05 AM

at least for old accounts that if u want to log in u need to confirm email or smth

I mean, definitely wouldnt hurt to have

4:06 AM

Especially seeing how often accounts get hacked nowadays

2fa would be very good I think

necter

Especially seeing how often accounts get hacked nowadays

I dont think that would change much

4:07 AM

People are bafflingly terrible with cybersecurity and dont care

If it would be optional this will surely help

wait I forgot, does GD require you to verify your email when you register an account?

Yea

because I know at some point you could just do something like a@b.c

CazVixX 🥀

Yea

oh good

Devilmine

People have been actively looking through password/account breach databases and finding peoples accounts by tracing email/usernames to gd accounts

same team that hacked ninkaz hacked yuko so yea that seems to be the primary group going after creators (edited)

4:11 AM

hope they arent able to get anyone else but that’s probably inevitable

They will prolly get a lot of ppl

4:11 AM

because of their unawareness and also because of their lack of protection

My email got recently pwned :nails

4:12 AM

Got an email from that cool website

i should probably check that

Really good time to change GD passwords again

4:24 AM

Ideally use a generated one

4:24 AM

GD password can use lower- and uppercase letters, numbers, hypens and underscores

^I use a randomly generated one with 19 letters (maximum on android, PC and iOS can use 20 iirc) if u want to be as safe as possible then use external password managers like KeePassDX or paid ones with cloud support, personally use a Password Database that I share and keep updated through a cloud that requires a password to unlock that is equally as safe

4:31 AM

Also please make sure the E-Mail of ur GD account is safe too

Devilmine

People have been actively looking through password/account breach databases and finding peoples accounts by tracing email/usernames to gd accounts

The email I use for gd hasn't been pwned yet so I should be fine

4:34 AM

Still never hurts to change a password once in a while

Whizkid05

Still never hurts to change a password once in a while

For sure

4:39 AM

Also please dont do what Vernam did and download a fake geode

Whizkid05

The email I use for gd hasn't been pwned yet so I should be fine

Actually uh

LOL

Here's a thing

4:40 AM

My account was made so long ago I think the email for it may not be in use at all anymore

4:40 AM

The email I thought it was is for my alt

IMO, id DM rob to get that solved ASAP if the E-Mail doesn't exist anymore

Yeah probably a good idea

uan

because I know at some point you could just do something like a@b.c

This message jumpscared me because we used a@b.c as a rudimentary example for our python lab where we have to write a program that allows your email input and allows you to make a password (with encryptions) (edited)

is there a way to check the email you used with your GD account? I think I have it linked to my main email but I did make this account roughly 10 years ago so I don't remember (edited)

im gonna be real after i got mod i just changed my password to be double of what it was before

kreno2 -> kreno4

its not a weak password, but ill make a new one considering how many people are getting hacked

Lia

kreno2 -> kreno4

its kreno2kreno2

ohhhh

Lia

kreno2 -> kreno4

i should get this ign change tho

Zircone

is there a way to check the email you used with your GD account? I think I have it linked to my main email but I did make this account roughly 10 years ago so I don't remember (edited)

I think u can get GD to send ur username to ur email

5:32 AM

And just try ur main email with that ig

it took me a couple months of being mod before i realised changing my password would be a good idea

6:49 AM

wish it allowed for more special characters in gd passwords

6:49 AM

i usually use more than what it allows

I actually didn't change it until recently

6:50 AM

I've changed it only once when I just got promoted

Seems like the password I use isn't even pwned anywhere

6:51 AM

https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords here's the website if you guys wanna check for yourself, very reliable

Have I Been Pwned: Pwned Passwords

Pwned Passwords is a huge corpus of previously breached passwords made freely available to help services block them from being used again.

We probably have to do some sort of security activities within the team

Not a bad idea tbh

I feel like something about it was mentioned in rules or guidelines before

ye rule 2

How do you guys feel about mandatory password changes every like 6m or so

i think sometime soon we should also make sure each mod has a valid email linked to their account and if not, have rob change the emails

3

Lot of companies do that and it would help avoid potential leaks I think

cus i dont have an email since i made my acc during the time you could just do some random a@a.com as ur email

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i think sometime soon we should also make sure each mod has a valid email linked to their account and if not, have rob change the emails

This one especially

and i would like to link my active email to my acc

Sley

How do you guys feel about mandatory password changes every like 6m or so

This is in relation to discord BTW not in game

Wouldnt 2FA be enough for Discord?

Tbf yeah ig

ye i think 2fa is ok

Still good practice to cycle out your passwords tho

but it wouldnt hurt changing pass every now and then

I got mine setup so you can only log in with the authenticator thingy

speaking with the password, but unrelated to GD, everyone should get a password manager

7:58 AM

All my passwords are some fuck you long bullshit these days

Tony

speaking with the password, but unrelated to GD, everyone should get a password manager

1000% this

7:59 AM

ppl are usually to lazy for them unfortunately tho

7:59 AM

I had to use one for work at my last job and I will never go back

7:59 AM

It does cost money but it is tremendously worth it to me

7:59 AM

there are free ones tho

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i think sometime soon we should also make sure each mod has a valid email linked to their account and if not, have rob change the emails

Changed the email linked to my account recently Easy

8:00 AM

Used to be like my dads old email

Sley

How do you guys feel about mandatory password changes every like 6m or so

I also think a 2FA system built into gd would be great

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i think sometime soon we should also make sure each mod has a valid email linked to their account and if not, have rob change the emails

true

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i think sometime soon we should also make sure each mod has a valid email linked to their account and if not, have rob change the emails

will do the same too

8:05 AM

I dunno which email is linked to my account bc I created it 10 years ago...

Tony

speaking with the password, but unrelated to GD, everyone should get a password manager

Which is the one you're currently using? I'm definitely considering using a password manager and I don't mind paying for it

1password is really good imo

Zircone

Which is the one you're currently using? I'm definitely considering using a password manager and I don't mind paying for it

1password

8:31 AM

It's not extremely expensive and for the benefit it provides me, 100% worth

the windows/ios apps and browser extensions are rly clean

How easy is it to swap to?

8:39 AM

Does it take a while to set up on everything

8:39 AM

That's the main hurdle stopping me from getting a password manager

i still don't use one

8:39 AM

but i got different passwords for things

8:39 AM

i guess my brain is my password manager (edited)

8:40 AM

I've always used Google for it but ofc that's nowhere near as safe since if my Google acc gets stolen thats all of my accounts gone

im pretty sure u can import a password file using 1password

8:40 AM

think i did when i switched

my only hurdle with password managers anyways is that whenever i have to log in on a public device i'm cooked

8:41 AM

gotta present using the classroom's computer? sure gang just type in Sh7#1Klop82aqrtHH^!ssm2-1*(

8:41 AM

Lmao

Sley

How easy is it to swap to?

it's pretty easy imo

How much Is it? I might get it if its pretty straightforward ngl

i just added in my logins one by one and then instantly saw which had weak or reused passwords

8:42 AM

then i generated new ones inside the app and changed on each site

8:43 AM

now i have like 150 randomized 20 character alphanumeric and symbolic passwords

Nice

Sley

How much Is it? I might get it if its pretty straightforward ngl

$3 per month iirc

Oh wow that's great

8:43 AM

I was expecting like 10

8:43 AM

Definitely will be looking into this, thanks guys

it's $4 per month if you pay monthly, $3 per month if you pay annually

8:44 AM

i just did the latter since i will use it forever most likely

will look into that too for sure

another nice thing is u can store non passwords too, like i got my card info in there

8:46 AM

and then u can autofill it through the extension when paying

8:47 AM

to log in to the password manager on a new device you need both a password and a secret key you get when registering which is only known by you and not even 1password

8:47 AM

so it's basically impossible for it to get hacked

Viprin

another nice thing is u can store non passwords too, like i got my card info in there

That's p nice yeah

1Password is so fire

8:57 AM

I get it for free through work

8:57 AM

But if you don’t wanna pay and have an Apple device the Passwords app is good too, and you can use it on windows with the iCloud for Windows app/extension

Ryder

But if you don’t wanna pay and have an Apple device the Passwords app is good too, and you can use it on windows with the iCloud for Windows app/extension

So if I have a MacBook I could save all my passwords on that app?

Yeah

9:00 AM

Secure notes and the like too iirc

Sley

I've always used Google for it but ofc that's nowhere near as safe since if my Google acc gets stolen thats all of my accounts gone

You can export google password data and import it into 1password

Viprin

another nice thing is u can store non passwords too, like i got my card info in there

^

9:34 AM

It's basically just a secure repository of information that you can autofill

9:34 AM

So I don't have to save that information on sites

i used to just have a word document with all my passwords when i was younger

9:42 AM

it did the job but would be bad if i ever lost the device

9:42 AM

The way I used to do my passwords was: generate two random words, spell them both slightly wrong, fill numbers in till I reach character limit, memorize it

9:46 AM

It was like the closest I could get to nonsense characters with it still being memorize-able

that seems quite good

9:48 AM

i never trusted myself to memorize a lot of different passwords

It got the job done

9:50 AM

Password manager is just goated tho

9:51 AM

Also I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have to reset my password multiple times because I forgot

CheYuriy

gotta present using the classroom's computer? sure gang just type in Sh7#1Klop82aqrtHH^!ssm2-1*(

it's not too bad, i just use the "show in large type" on my phone and it's quick to type in on another device

9:52 AM

ofc not while someone is looking

9:52 AM

Halapeenyo

Also I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have to reset my password multiple times because I forgot

this happens to me a lot with older accounts I have

10:04 AM

definitely will look into 1Password cuz I want to have a place to manage the passwords I use

i second 1password, my family uses it for everything

i follow rule 2 by making my password 1password-

someone asked me if there are any guidelines to updating a level’s difficulty downwards

12:26 PM

they’re planning to nerf a harder extreme to an easier one

12:26 PM

I mean regarding the shitstorm that happened with Ecstasis by dkitey theres no rules but thought i’d ask anyway

iirc those kind of updates are fine as long as its not between difficulties (extreme to insane)

12:32 PM

but i could be mistaken

mag

they’re planning to nerf a harder extreme to an easier one

this is generally considered fine, what level is it

steelworks bounce

12:34 PM

creator said he would add checkpoints to each room now

ah its a platformer i cant really say i know much about it

i dont think it will be insane demon even after the nerf

as long as its still extreme it should be fine but personally i would make sure that current victors of the level agree that its for the levels best interest

12:34 PM

thats what i did when i super nerfed LUMINA a few years back

yeah the victors said theyre ok with it iirc

thats fine then

12:35 PM

if the people most affected agree it should happen theres not any drawback

mag

creator said he would add checkpoints to each room now

YESSSSSSSS

12:46 PM

i am so happy to hear this u have no idea

AgCilver🥀

iirc those kind of updates are fine as long as its not between difficulties (extreme to insane)

nerfdates in general are seen as fine in history

12:55 PM

one of Vadi’s hard demons used to be extreme tier

gecko

nerfdates in general are seen as fine in history

well ecstasis is the worst thing that happened to platformer mode

12:55 PM

ok thats a stretch but really just nothing but shit around this level, everyone involved, and the history of it

ecstasis has one of the worst level histories for sure yea

12:56 PM

its cool that ppl beat the unnerfed eventually tho

12:56 PM

funny just how insane of a difficulty jump it would’ve been initially

gecko

ecstasis has one of the worst level histories for sure yea

buffed from easy demon to extreme for no fucking reason verified by a hacker who went uncaught for 8 months, and called it top 3 (was by far top 1 at that time) then when people beat it legit and found out verifier was hacker, dkitey just decided to ask one of the most inconsistent plat players in terms of difficulty opinions to nerf the level and he gave him like 3 hours to do it reportedly not even because the level had terrible rep, he just wanted to beat it (which he still couldnt do) and even after the nerfdate its an absolute shit

1:00 PM

tbf i dont hate the current ecstasis

1:00 PM

just kinda boring

Wanted to bring this up here, i saw it was mentioned earlier but wasnt much discussion about it earlier a level named ura ura by samihoi got rated recently which takes super heavy inspiration/is very similar from 100foxes (overdefo/cometface as some of yall know em by) level named 25 3 N 91 7 E its not necessarily a obvious one to one rip off, but same song, same length and part order, coin placement in the ball is identical. A lot of the designs are super heavy inspired, idk this doesnt really sit right with me, especially after giving it a play. What do yall think? (edited)

very heavy inspo & should definitely be credited

1:02 PM

dont think it should be unrated tho

yeah there isnt any credit whatsoever

yea thats bad

1:03 PM

i dont think it necessarily steals anything

1:03 PM

more of a “copy my homework but change it a bit”

yeah thats how it came off to me too

1:04 PM

but wanted to see what yall think

1:04 PM

i looked at this creators other levels and they also seem very derivative of other styles too

gecko

more of a “copy my homework but change it a bit”

also i played both level and lots of the designs are like barely changed

i cant play atm but ill take ur word on it

1:06 PM

i wouldnt be against unrating & it’d definitely be a downrate to star if it werent already that

1:06 PM

but i dont know enough to judge

yeah its only a starrate now

defo need to encourage credit tho

for sure

1:06 PM

ill probably leave a comment on it in that case

1:06 PM

so there is atleast that

mag

creator said he would add checkpoints to each room now

just joining in to say this will make the lvl so much better

1:18 PM

its very fun but no checkpoints just made it annoying to go for before (edited)

AgCilver🥀

Wanted to bring this up here, i saw it was mentioned earlier but wasnt much discussion about it earlier a level named ura ura by samihoi got rated recently which takes super heavy inspiration/is very similar from 100foxes (overdefo/cometface as some of yall know em by) level named 25 3 N 91 7 E its not necessarily a obvious one to one rip off, but same song, same length and part order, coin placement in the ball is identical. A lot of the designs are super heavy inspired, idk this doesnt really sit right with me, especially after giving it a play. What do yall think? (edited)

yep its way too similiar imo, especially for one with 0 credit

1:47 PM

we even told him on stream to credit it and we didn’t send it

1:47 PM

for situations like this a no send button would be great whatthefuck

true

mag

yep its way too similiar imo, especially for one with 0 credit

damn the fact yall told them and still nothing

1:52 PM

that actually sucks

they mightve not been present so idk

Whatever That Means 925551 Levels with confusing or nonsensical titles

i think City Of The Dance is actually very straight forward about what it means

i think some of them just have poor grammar

Battle Belt 512060

Cute baby names 413144

My favorite baby name, Eternelle Vehemence

Devilmine

My favorite baby name, Eternelle Vehemence

thats the entire joke of the list theres multiple terrible baby names

6:54 PM

Challenges 80201 100 custom made challenges that progressively develop on the gp and deco as the list goes on, really cool concept for a fully unrated level list imo

1

7:00 PM

GD goes sigma mode 940663 exact theme of the list isnt super clear but its supposed to be a bunch of like bossfights/ties to popular gd community members and levels im pretty sure

7:00 PM

probably gonna stop now hope this helps :)

YraC 🥀

Click to see attachment 🖼️

hi scarlet

is there any process to getting an account unhacked? an old creator called sohn was recently hacked

Joris

is there any process to getting an account unhacked? an old creator called sohn was recently hacked

reset password through Account Manager

11:07 PM

change back username there too

11:07 PM

if username stolen, RobTop has to fix

aight cheers

I cant believe this is a daily thing but another platformer extreme got severely buffed ….

12:52 AM

and imo this should absolutely be reverted

12:54 AM

updated a few hours ago and buffed everything nearly, theres a ton of screenshots I wouldnt like to send rn as its clutter but if anyone know this level and would like to confirm here it is

1:02 AM

some images anyway to demonstrate

1:02 AM

its mini robot with fixed hitboxes, second is ball (edited)

1:02 AM

hard to tell from the filters

mag

Click to see attachment 🖼️

whyy

mag

Click to see original message

??????? dude

maybe this and Tower of Stars should be taken care of

this level already has a terrible reputation enjoyment wise why would they want people to like it less

newest auto rate is stolen

4:33 AM

i’ll message Rob

I messaged him about the auto & the weird platformer

4:35 AM

will prob be fixed in a bit

Chloe 🥀

I messaged him about the auto & the weird platformer

okay nice

4:36 AM

dude idk whats happening lately but theres stolen levels rated daily

people notice that stolen levels can get rated so they take advantage of that and find random old levels from creators to steal

yesterday's rate, also stolen assets

theres literally nothing anyone can do about it except just take care of the issue after it gets rated and people figure it out

apparently all of these levels contain stolen assets lmfao

mag

yesterday's rate, also stolen assets

stolen assets is even more difficult to figure out unfortunately, it sucks that people genuinely do this so much

its a fucking disease at this point this community is fucked as shit

4:38 AM

i just cant put it any nicer anymore

also it seems rob is very much aware of the platformer level that just got rated as he commented on it LOL

its so bad that its part of daily discussion which stolen level we need to get unrated

was on purpose i guess ??

well the auto will be dealt with but yea that seems like a joke

YraC 🥀

Cute baby names 413144

Isn't there a rated list with the exact same concept?

4:43 AM

I remember seeing this in early 2.2

4:44 AM

Or maybe the list is very old, and never got rated

Tygore 🥀

Isn't there a rated list with the exact same concept?

yes

4:46 AM

I tried to look for it and literally couldnt idk why lol

mag

newest auto rate is stolen

this is gonna be one of my fav recent auto rates crazy how its happening cus of a stolen one getting rated

5:03 AM

im telling u theres something cursed about the auto rating

5:03 AM

tinfoil hat is in full force

auto got unrated btw

fire

Chloe 🥀

auto got unrated btw

did u forward him the original too

mag

did u forward him the original too

she did

still no rate tho,, i assume stolen rates always mean the original gets rated right

5:46 AM

i dont know of any cases where this doesnt happen

yeah, I re-asked him if he knew the original was unrated so hopefully he sees that, i dont think he intended to leave it unrated

mag

apparently all of these levels contain stolen assets lmfao

Oh man I've sent the 8 stars one on stream before

completely fine because its really hard to notice this, especially with pixel style levels

Yeah it's really tough

my frustration is towards to these creators who shamelessly take shit

5:58 AM

sometimes even whole stolen levels

Same really annoying stuff

5:59 AM

I've really got no understanding of why they do this shit

Me When Geography - 794323

6:10 AM

Routing The Exit - 915947

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Steam Library - 945315

necter

Me When Geography - 794323

idk what y'alls thoughts on this kinda thing are but there are tons of these types of lists already

6:13 AM

none rated but almost all of them are much older than this one with very similar levels

It's why I kinda struggle with finding interesting lists

these r both over a year old

A lot of them are a bit of a rinse and repeat of each other

i'm extremely picky with lists

6:14 AM

i find most of them very uninteresting/repetitive

gecko

these r both over a year old

oh

6:14 AM

im just browsing through friends lists

yea not a bad way to find stuff but with a topic as common/broad as countries i'd be a bit more picky with it

The Opposites - 913801

6:18 AM

Things in a house - 901739

6:19 AM

And I'll add this one from me because I find the concept of these levels really cool :) 921081

Roman Empire - 915973

Tygore 🥀

Isn't there a rated list with the exact same concept?

yeah i thought so too but i couldnt find it either

8:39 AM

very weird

i think it'd be useful to be able to search for levels/lists that contain a phrase rather than start with it

8:42 AM

e.g. searching "baby names" would return "cute baby names" "good baby names" etc

8:45 AM

also "auto auto" by renn still hasnt been rated after the copy was unrated would be good to see that soon

I think Rob needs to add an update lock to levels post rate

3:00 PM

another account hacked, "thepurgatory" and like 4 extremes are free with black suns and shit

3:00 PM

dawg

how does it keep happening

ppl have been scouring breached accounts

3:01 PM

and just use passwords associated to them

they should get a hobby

I think if i send an image of what they replaced the level with i run risk of getting my discord acc terminated so like

3:03 PM

Yeah

3:03 PM

did dm rob already so should be solved quickly hopefully

3:03 PM

but honestly the more ppl getting hacked as of late rlly demand something like what i mentioned

Devilmine

I think if i send an image of what they replaced the level with i run risk of getting my discord acc terminated so like

uuuuhm....

3:04 PM

thats actually WILD

Devilmine

I think if i send an image of what they replaced the level with i run risk of getting my discord acc terminated so like

i just checked its rlly bad

3:19 PM

these ppl need a job its crazy

getting a bunch of dms to get rob to "fix" these accounts

3:22 PM

but like

3:22 PM

is it rly rob's job to manage people's accounts

3:22 PM

poor and/or reused passwords isn't on him

3:22 PM

ye

It is robs job to protect the levels if anything

3:22 PM

and limit damage

3:22 PM

at most

3:22 PM

IMO

3:23 PM

but yeah its just basic account security that is failing here

3:23 PM

ppl not knowing that ur password needs to be safe

3:23 PM

and not some easy shi

rob wants creators to be able to bug fix their levels post rate so instalock at rate won't happen

btw a few days ago someone told me to kill myself cus they forgot their password and had no valid email linked so i said there's nothing i can do

could see like 1 month after or something

Viprin

could see like 1 month after or something

ye

3:23 PM

that would be good enough already tbh

since you get most feedback right after rate

3:23 PM

any issues would be found quick

the owner of the team acc messaged me just now

3:25 PM

told them it will be fixed soon

3:25 PM

but if they have a valid email linked they can just change pass still no?

Yeah

Viprin

rob wants creators to be able to bug fix their levels post rate so instalock at rate won't happen

How much volume to we have overall for rated level updates?

they can

so they can just change pass and rob reverts lvls

yes

CheYuriy

How much volume to we have overall for rated level updates?

As in generally how many rated levels are updated per week?

surely a team account has a valid email

3:27 PM

and didnt use the same password for their email account

3:27 PM

3:27 PM

also just for note cuz ur talking with them

Devilmine

surely a team account has a valid email

have u heard of the a.com email service Easy

commentbanned them for safety measures

Devilmine

I think Rob needs to add an update lock to levels post rate

I’ve suggested this in the past

3:28 PM

Although I said after a week

cuz they went to daily and like botted a terrible comment

Or after whatever amount of time really

how do people get hacked

Password leaks

data breaches

Gd itself hasn't been breached before right?

Funnily enough no

ye the team owner said hes gonna change password

Just some exploits

so i told him to do a good one

But never actually breached to gain access to literal passwords

3:29 PM

It’s usually past data breaches from other sources

3:29 PM

Where people use same passwords

honestly even surprised those things can still happen

3:30 PM

cuz id assume people would surely hash passwords nowadays and not store them in a reverseable, retrievable way

Older systems are usually the culprit

3:31 PM

Where it costs too much and takes time to update

3:31 PM

Another common thing is intercepting

3:31 PM

Common in the past*

Devilmine

cuz id assume people would surely hash passwords nowadays and not store them in a reverseable, retrievable way

I guess there's still the issue of just hitting hash collisions when the databases are huge

does rob revert the hacked account names himself?

3:32 PM

id assume so

cparc (only urgent report tags)

does rob revert the hacked account names himself?

did so recently

3:32 PM

he does

3:32 PM

at least if asked and told about it

3:32 PM

ye

Was the same issue with yuko who was called "CharlieKirkGD" (edited)

like 12 people dmed me in the past minute saying thepurgatory got hacked

likewise

3:33 PM

I should get my 3 free extremes rn

3:33 PM

its good to see theres people who worry and want to spread the word

(i wont cuz idgaf)

3:34 PM

((nor would i even want free extremes))

Devilmine

the 50 extreme demons by the end of the year goal just got closer

3:34 PM

I remember when I got my named changed due to that infamous exploit and had my name changed to “Ryder” so for a while there were two Ryder’s in game

purging the leaderboards later will be fun

Then my dumbahh changed it again and lost it

3:34 PM

Then wod

3:34 PM

the hackers want to talk to me

3:34 PM

just gonna say no

3:34 PM

what could they possibly want to talk about

apparently this person is "good" and wants to "fix gd security"

3:35 PM

but they hack and bot

3:35 PM

i need viprin to talk to me or else

is it CSNL? (edited)

People like this are so funny to me

id assume so

csnl's name was in the hacked lvls (edited)

3:35 PM

so yeah

Ah yes, the famous "I want to fix GD security by wreaking havoc and deleting everyone's accounts"

teamhax from temu

This is a fundamental issue that cannot be fixed in a reasonable way

CSNL makes it even funnier cause they’re just lying

the only thing could be forced 2FA with email check (edited)

they just want clout lmao

They don’t care about fixing GD

So is this like a GD breach or like are they just purely getting stuff from other sites

bro if you find a security issue and genuinely wanna help dont exploit it

other sites

Whizkid05

So is this like a GD breach or like are they just purely getting stuff from other sites

purely other sites

people reusing passwords

if they had gd breach they would target bigger accounts

Ah ok so I should be fine then

which is just poor from them

and not random accounts like this

3:36 PM

theyd prolly go after some mods too

3:37 PM

which is why having a safe password rn is rlly important

3:37 PM

imo

I'll change my password just to be 100% sure though, never hurts to do so

seems they're only going for the accounts with creator points

Viprin

seems they're only going for the accounts with creator points

Didn't they hack conix?

ye

3:37 PM

they hack clouted ppl

3:37 PM

anything with attention

3:37 PM

yuko, purgatory, conixx

3:37 PM

all bigger ppl with a lot of rates or just community ppl

makes sense

you know what might be time for my annual password change Troll

1

3:38 PM

just in case

definitely wouldn't hurt to change it

Will also do so just in case

3:38 PM

even tho i changed a year ago roughly and its random

3:38 PM

no harm

ill prob wait til new email gets linked

1

3:39 PM

i do password changes at the end of every yr

3:39 PM

close enough

gonna change email and gd pass

3:40 PM

both are unique so shouldnt be an issue but its probably time to do it anyways

just checked thepurgatorys level and yeah that is certainly a level

3:41 PM

I changed my password when i got mod so i should be fine ig

putting offensive stuff in a level is so cool Insan

Viprin

putting offensive stuff in a level is so cool Insan

yeah its so hip and cool

Viprin

putting offensive stuff in a level is so cool Insan

those are ppl stuck in 2018 """humor"""

3:45 PM

at least it seems like just insane ragebait more than actually thinking like that

3:45 PM

but it reminds me of just like that edgy era that even alot of creators of that timeframe had

blade of justice incident

"Guys I did the thing that I shouldn't! Those guys must be PISSED!!"

Chloe 🥀

blade of justice incident

dude that spanish gd twt ppl got mad on that is still so insane to me

Devilmine

but it reminds me of just like that edgy era that even alot of creators of that timeframe had

that stalemate video whatthefuck

lots of people complained about the n-word being removed in boj

3:46 PM

necter

that stalemate video whatthefuck

get ready for the drop Buddy

this stuff genuinely does not phase me on the internet anymore especially cause if you give these people a reaction you are the one who loses

3:46 PM

dunno how people dont understand that yet

3:47 PM

all they want is to get you to say something about it

Devilmine

theyd prolly go after some mods too

i said this before. i think the fact no mods have been targetted kinda prooves its just bad password security from the ppl getting hacked

6:03 PM

since the mod team has a ton of really high profile targets

6:03 PM

if it was a GD breach yall best believe viprin or pauze was gonna get hacked

It definitely isn't a breach

yeah 100%

just brute force from stolen data

we'd also see WAY more accounts hacked in general if it was

probably consolidated from OTHER breaches

its totally just reused passwords lol

ye the hackers have already said this

6:07 PM

very good "hackers"

6:07 PM

not even hacking anything

quite funny to see how many fairly established names have literally no cyber security awareness

a huge chunk of people just dont pay attention to these kind of things

ye

6:12 PM

tbf GD is one of those things a lot of these ppl probably got as a young child, and never really bothered to update since

6:12 PM

as a kid i used the same password everywhere

yea

6:13 PM

tbh back then password security was also quite lackluster

ye

my old email website allowed me to have a 5 digit password with no numbers

2fa is fairly new all things considered too

6:13 PM

like as an idea

yea

first site i remember using it was steam

6:13 PM

back when i used to trade

LOL same

6:13 PM

steamguard my enemy

lmao for sure

always in my way

back in the glory days when you approved trades by clicking an email link

but i applaud since getting your shi hacked on steam is quite the feat

yeah

6:14 PM

steams really good for it

as usual steam being lightyears from other companies

6:14 PM

who could have guessed

locking features behind it is also rly smart since it kinda forces people into it

6:15 PM

the people who need it atleast

6:15 PM

those with really valuable stuff

definitely

6:15 PM

as much as trading or steam market can be tedious with it, definitely worth (edited)

yay auto auto got rated

yayy

anybody know some good auto levels that have been waiting for long

ID - Suggested Rate Tier

@gecko @gecko @gecko @gecko

1

6:35 PM

your time to shine

nows the time to release my mythic auto

Viprin

anybody know some good auto levels that have been waiting for long

ID - Suggested Rate Tier

can i send more than one

max 2 per person

1

124338200 - Epic 121802272 - Feature (edited)

121367372 - featured

110219663 - Feature (sweetbird by QuazeryIceCube) 122009252 - Feature (Mario The Idea by RGCexists)

91499985 - feature

66772389 - Star Rate (Median by theGoT) 87346669 - Epic (Strange Conversation by PAHC) (edited)

My epic suggestion in there is probably biased but I hope its not too far fetched

6580901 - Rate Only 4350837 - Rate Only

117728087 - feature

necter

My epic suggestion in there is probably biased but I hope its not too far fetched

i think that was a high feat for me

6:45 PM

was in my top 5 levels to send here if we ever got the chance

6:45 PM

(out of 25)

My mind immediately defaulted to that one

it has like 35 sends or something too

It's made in the update I have nostalgia for the most and it's so good

Devilmine

6580901 - Rate Only 4350837 - Rate Only

I was gonna suggest the second one lol

GiggsRH

I was gonna suggest the second one lol

omg wait i can still edit my message right

6:54 PM

i just remembered a funny one with over 20 sends

6:55 PM

actually NVM i like my choices too

112669980 - rate only 90096164 - featured (edited)

97276318 - rate only 97315795 - featured

1

108794565 - Featured 121367372 - Featured

120519908 - Featured

109792013 - feature 124085604 - rate only

got enough thanks

10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1E5hMnHi-g yo buddies quick ask

Bibu

Imaginal Seasons

11:28 PM

this level is a bit weird for me cuz it does look p good but im also quite wary cuz i know that first part is quite similar to deffy's works

11:28 PM

but is anyone able to confirm if there's any details outright stolen in this from any levels?

11:28 PM

or does anyone recognize details from other levels

11:29 PM

it has this sense of familiarity but i cant fully pinpoint it

i've seen some swib works before

11:34 PM

probably just inspired

1

I saw this in sent tab pop up a few times and generally would recommend against sending/rating this as it has a Kanye West bossfight and also a lot of the "brainrot" terms hiddenly have terrible meanings (like the italian brainrot typically having hidden context for extremely offensive things)

12:46 AM

generally just whole level is centered around memes with horrible meanings behind them

12:53 AM

i thought the brainrot was just funny

Wait what brainrot has hidden meanings?

Viprin

i thought the brainrot was just funny

in terms of italian brainrot "lore", tralalero tralalas hidden meaning is that it calls god a pig and generally mocks god, and bombardiro croccodilos hidden meaning is that it bombs & attacks kids in palestine (??

) and generally the italian brainrot thing is made by internet trolls who enjoy doing that type of stuff, so alot more italian brainrot has those disgusting meanings. and yeah the kanye west bossfight is self explanatory

???

i haven't seen the level but I feel like that's not context the creator (or most people really) would be aware of

this may be an 'anti-worke opinion' but i don't think we should like uh

12:59 AM

really mind about the italian brainrot origins

12:59 AM

kanye west is kinda questionable but

idk this isnt even like a woke thing its just that the italian brainrot thing directly connects to those meanings and its very much explicit, its not hidden

12:59 AM

in the translation of those meme messages it does say what I described, its not like some hidden kept away lore

12:59 AM

its like publicly said

I wasn't aware of that and I'm willing to bet 90% of people aren't either

1:01 AM

I prob wouldn't send a level with a kanye bossfight tho

I guess so, but its still just such a vile message behind these things that it feels very uncomfortable to see that get rated if it does

I appreciate you pointing this out tho

yeah ofc

1:02 AM

personally just something i wouldnt send and i wouldnt like to see it rated but thats just my opinion

does tung tung tung sahur have an evil hidden message

nah

2:39 AM

tung tung is chill

my goat

It's so unfortunate that the brainrot memes have those hidden messages because it's a super mainstream meme across schools (edited)

2:49 AM

It's up there with skibidi

yeah its unfortunate

Kids love these wacky characters

atleast tung tung sahur is chill ❤️

2:50 AM

overall that whole italian brainrot meme has died down and now its random numbers which is better atleast

what about ballerina cappuccina

We're getting to the bottom of this now

Viprin

what about ballerina cappuccina

that ones also chill

2:51 AM

iirc in terms of the main popular ones its just the 2 i mentioned, but those 2 are also the most popular so

Man

2:53 AM

I looked at Bombariro Crocodilo and I was like

2:53 AM

"damn that guy looks cool"

2:53 AM

Oh well

2:53 AM

Is Lira Lira safe?

yeah

What a guy

if you click onto the pages for some of them you get viewer discretion warning on the italian brainrot wiki (edited)

2:55 AM

yeah makes sense

2:55 AM

i guess

If you don't know that's a whiplash

2:55 AM

Lol

2:55 AM

Poor kids

italian brainrot has potential to be funnier but the offensive stuff + waste of AI for them kind of like sucks

Viprin

Click to see attachment 🖼️

the lyrics

can't send the Tralalero Tralala one

2:56 AM

over

2:56 AM

yeah I was gonna send those here earlier when discussing it but realized could be risky

i only rly knew the character names and designs

2:57 AM

didnt know about the songs and stuff

2:57 AM

Personality Tralalero Tralala does not speak, instead dances and "vibes". He is often playful but aggressive in battles.

oh yeah they have like full on lore and shit

2:57 AM

its similar to skibidi toilet where some stupid meme actually spiraled into intricate and detailed lore its so funny

reading it is crazy

2:58 AM

This character is best friends with Tung Tung Tung Sahur. Tralalero Tralala and the other brainrot characters have one main enemy, Wallotelo Tralala. Wallotelo sees Tralalero as his arch-rival. One of his brothers are Arkalero Arkala Orcalero Orcala is his friend but former rival. Squalanana is believed to be either his friend or brother.

i dont even know

I just opened mod chat

2:58 AM

orcalero orcala looks mad chill

2:58 AM

no viewer discretion too

that one is safe yeah

Viprin

This character is best friends with Tung Tung Tung Sahur. Tralalero Tralala and the other brainrot characters have one main enemy, Wallotelo Tralala. Wallotelo sees Tralalero as his arch-rival. One of his brothers are Arkalero Arkala Orcalero Orcala is his friend but former rival. Squalanana is believed to be either his friend or brother.

dude what is this LOL

Tralalero Tralala lore

this was written by a crazy person i swear

the "person" in question:

3:14 AM

should not have opened this channel right after waking up

3:43 AM

Chloe 🥀

in terms of italian brainrot "lore", tralalero tralalas hidden meaning is that it calls god a pig and generally mocks god, and bombardiro croccodilos hidden meaning is that it bombs & attacks kids in palestine (??

) and generally the italian brainrot thing is made by internet trolls who enjoy doing that type of stuff, so alot more italian brainrot has those disgusting meanings. and yeah the kanye west bossfight is self explanatory

I can confirm this

4:15 AM

A lot of people think it's just funny but Italian brainrot is plain offensive stuff

4:16 AM

The worst thing? They have launched videogames, action figures and stickers of this shit

yeah :/

The videogame store close to my house sells the sticker packs... every time I go there I am reminded of how low we've gone whatthefuck

Dude a major polish store was selling tshirts with these

Viprin

This character is best friends with Tung Tung Tung Sahur. Tralalero Tralala and the other brainrot characters have one main enemy, Wallotelo Tralala. Wallotelo sees Tralalero as his arch-rival. One of his brothers are Arkalero Arkala Orcalero Orcala is his friend but former rival. Squalanana is believed to be either his friend or brother.

I read that as Arkalero arclia

Chloe 🥀

in terms of italian brainrot "lore", tralalero tralalas hidden meaning is that it calls god a pig and generally mocks god, and bombardiro croccodilos hidden meaning is that it bombs & attacks kids in palestine (??

) and generally the italian brainrot thing is made by internet trolls who enjoy doing that type of stuff, so alot more italian brainrot has those disgusting meanings. and yeah the kanye west bossfight is self explanatory

?????

6:08 AM

Lolll I thought it was just silly rhyme stuff

DreamEater

The worst thing? They have launched videogames, action figures and stickers of this shit

In Peru they made an entire concert dedicated solely to brainrot

6:10 AM

With the main audience obviously being kids

CheYuriy

In Peru they made an entire concert dedicated solely to brainrot

Chloe 🥀

I saw this in sent tab pop up a few times and generally would recommend against sending/rating this as it has a Kanye West bossfight and also a lot of the "brainrot" terms hiddenly have terrible meanings (like the italian brainrot typically having hidden context for extremely offensive things)

Same reason I haven't sent it yet

8:00 AM

I personally don't wanna encourage anything itallian brianrot related

Syeta by Spectregmd1 is stolen

8:43 AM

DMd robtop about it

What's the original

Extasy by FakeRodri

8:46 AM

its rated already though

8:46 AM

I noticed this immediately since I remember that level well cuz its so cool lol

Gotchu

8:47 AM

Made a comment

Thanks my keyboard is broken on PC lol

Its a little bit off grid as well haha

9:00 AM

I think from now on Ill just start checking the grid of suspicious levels

Oh yeah that would be a dead giveaway

I think we should try to be more careful as a collective

10:15 AM

ik its really frustrating and difficult to spot a stolen level or stolen assets but I just want to have extra caution from everyone because it is literally a daily thing now

10:15 AM

not even an exaggeration, a stolen level just gets rated on the daily

I’m always sus of no creator point levels I get requested

10:16 AM

Cause it’s too frequent

I think as the time goes the stealing problem will just get worse and worse

I would also like to see more severe punishments

10:18 AM

because as someone mentioned earlier, if a featured level ends up having stolen assets it just gets downgraded, not unrated

10:19 AM

might make a lot of people think that “hey I can do this too and still get a rate”

Also true

10:19 AM

Unrates should definitely be a thing even if the level is old

rob doesn't want to unrate so the stars don't get lost

10:20 AM

which is fair ig

Best course imo just delete the level too, upload ban if the creator has more than one level stolen

but yeah makes it hard to punish this sort of thing

atp its choosing the less bad option from the two

Waffl3X

rob doesn't want to unrate so the stars don't get lost

I know of that but the thing is I dont think... thats important? Atleast Im not sure whats the importance of losing some stars

at least from my perspective integrity and respect for original works is more important than some stats

Truth nuke...

necter

I know of that but the thing is I dont think... thats important? Atleast Im not sure whats the importance of losing some stars

when it comes to top stargrinders a couple missing stars can make quite the difference

10:21 AM

but I do think it would be more important overall to discourage stealing than worry about that

Id feel reallg bad if someone stole my level, got it rated, then once people find out it only got reduced to a rate

well its unrated if its fully stolen, its also easier to spot that

Waffl3X

when it comes to top stargrinders a couple missing stars can make quite the difference

I think this would make more sense if stats missed from dailies were put into consideration as well, which they arent still

yeah fully stolen means instant delete

more people look at it more chance it being spotted

10:22 AM

thats why its instantly spotted at rate

10:22 AM

I even got a dm today someone offering to ask sparky pros if im sus about a level lmfao

necter

I think this would make more sense if stats missed from dailies were put into consideration as well, which they arent still

yeah that's also another factor I was thinking of, but I was hoping that would be implemented soon

mag

I even got a dm today someone offering to ask sparky pros if im sus about a level lmfao

its just that bad these days

mag

I even got a dm today someone offering to ask sparky pros if im sus about a level lmfao

The creator stole poorly because they stole a cool level

10:23 AM

My spidey senses activated immediately

pixel block levels are so hard to spot

I’d like to see someone try and steal my level

Glow levels too I think. It all blends so much

mag

pixel block levels are so hard to spot

pixel levels with stolen assets get rated on the daily

10:26 AM

one of my friends is a pixel creator and frequently finds his assets in other levels lol

10:26 AM

because nobody can really trace them back

ye so even creator point people can be thieves

Waffl3X

pixel levels with stolen assets get rated on the daily

are you talking about this

10:27 AM

its funny how this guy just updates the description to “some things inspired by Dymond16” only after he gets caught

I think that was the one yeah

and its not even inspired its stolen

10:28 AM

dymond gets his stuff stolen all the time

Poor fella

10:29 AM

Man I wanna do a pixel block level

its really finnicky with them

10:29 AM

because you dont even know if they created the same thing on accident or actually stolen sometimes

Yea

except if its specific or complicated ofc but some of these levels dont do anything interesting

I think for simpler designs its a pass but with more complicated things like even particle settings that can say a lot

mag

because you dont even know if they created the same thing on accident or actually stolen sometimes

sometimes you can trace back stuff like the exact hsv and scaling to determine that

Copying particles is whatever personally but that can clue you in about the rest of the level

didnt every single level of theirs have stolen assets atp

iirc yea

Waffl3X

sometimes you can trace back stuff like the exact hsv and scaling to determine that

honestly its very annoying if it gets to a point where I have to do that as a mod

oh yeah for sure

10:31 AM

moreso just for the creators who recognize their assets, they can confirm it like that

10:31 AM

but mods shouldn't be expected to do that much really

We should just send more unique levels...

1

10:32 AM

:nails

did anyone dm rob about the most recent stolen level

ye (edited)

10:32 AM

No response yet

Went lightning speed while he was rating but no luck

Should i get wendys

yes

I heard good things about them

10:34 AM

Theyre supposedly gonna open in Poland next year

Wait

10:37 AM

Wrong server

Correct server

oh ok

This is what this channel was made for

inf

Should i get wendys

yes

discussion for getting wendys

finally discussing the actually important things (edited)

wendy for mod Moderator

Hey guys does anyone know if theres a fix for GD lagging on iOS 26? I havent been able to play mobile in a few weeks because its so laggy now tha i updated my phone

12:05 PM

And i imagine a lot of other players are going through this as well

Vortrox

Hey guys does anyone know if theres a fix for GD lagging on iOS 26? I havent been able to play mobile in a few weeks because its so laggy now tha i updated my phone

happens due to the “Dynamic Framerate” option

12:06 PM

depends on phone model but you may be able to disable that

Ohh let me check that

the only other fix is just Screen Recording while you play, as that forces DFR to disable itself

12:07 PM

uses more battery tho

gecko

happens due to the “Dynamic Framerate” option

in iphone settings btw

I just looked it up and that setting is only on Pro iphones

I have regular iPhone 16

i have the same problem i just have an iphone 10

12:09 PM

game is unplayable without screen rec

that is so stupid

12:09 PM

thank goodness i was never an apple user

necter

thank goodness i was never an apple user

hey my 12 year old samsung tablet also runs the game terribly! this is surely because of the brand and no other factors

12:12 PM

i wonder if its possible for rob to update gd to be compatible with dynamic framerate

gecko

hey my 12 year old samsung tablet also runs the game terribly! this is surely because of the brand and no other factors

i usually only hear bad things when it comes to apple devices

12:13 PM

every single time i hear something about it it just makes me not want to buy their products ever

i tried switching and hated samsung’s ui

12:14 PM

but generally yea samsung is better

12:14 PM

i just cant adapt to that

imo apple is better for everything other than gaming

12:15 PM

ive had both

12:15 PM

android is much better for games

samsung gets the bonus of downloading geode too

12:15 PM

yea

you can download geode on ios

Waffl3X

one of my friends is a pixel creator and frequently finds his assets in other levels lol

3:46 PM

it happened again

uh oh

same creator as we sent earlier

its insane that this keeps happening

3:47 PM

it became so much more frequent after 2.2

can this creator just not get any rates anymore

3:48 PM

when they have like 5 levels where in every single one they just lifted stuff

3:48 PM

he had only 3

3:49 PM

all got rated now

W

3:49 PM

rlly annoying

3:49 PM

congratulations for them for 5 creator points

3:49 PM

big milestone

3:50 PM

with 0 original levels

î wouldnt say 0 original

3:50 PM

cuz i assume they dont just use everything and still do stuff themselves

Devilmine

when they have like 5 levels where in every single one they just lifted stuff

they don't call them javilifter for nothing

3:50 PM

that said they heavily just take assets from other ppl

3:50 PM

and then also deny it btw

ye im exaggerating a bit here

they are actively denying it rn

3:50 PM

but still if u just look at the level

3:50 PM

nothing new in them

3:51 PM

Beat Switch by Dymond16 is actually above mythic the amount of creator points it rewarded

That's just sad

3:58 PM

lol

hoping the levels can be unfeatured

i played both levels and i failed to see the stolen assets

4:08 PM

just looked like generic 2.2 dash inspired level to me

lmao yeah

Well that confirms he did steal

I didn't see the level but this is the worst argument

4:17 PM

"He didn't answer so I'm taking that as a yes"

4:17 PM

bruh

necter

Click to see original message

LOLL

You are contractually obligated to tell me no within 3 business days if you don’t want me to use your assets

someone defended the creator by saying the original creator should have just not allowed copy on his level

4:39 PM

im cryin

This some classic unc shit

cparc (only urgent report tags)

someone defended the creator by saying the original creator should have just not allowed copy on his level

cparc (only urgent report tags)

someone defended the creator by saying the original creator should have just not allowed copy on his level

"He didn't reply so I'll take it he's OK with it"

4:59 PM

ender mod

8:03 PM

WAIT I DIDNT EVEN SEE THE CHAIN

8:03 PM

I READ ENDER MOD IN THE MESSAGE AND SENT IT

Ender Mod

j

You suck

2

2

2

:3

Ender mod

Ender Mod

just a heads up im p sure there actually was a data breach for passwords

5:00 AM

i had to change passwords bc someone actively dmed me saying they knew what my pass was and advised me to change it (edited)

been meaning to change mine this weekend just didnt get around to it, gonna do that now

eyle

just a heads up im p sure there actually was a data breach for passwords

the hackers are saying they breached every password below 10 characters apparently

9:08 AM

not sure how true that is but if any time is a good time to change pass its now

i had my pw for as long as i had my gd account

10:58 AM

i gotta change it this time around LOL

i feel like if they breached a mod's password they'd have used it already ngl

11:14 AM

in the mind of a hacker surely that's the #1 thing you'd go after

i feel like if that were true we'd be seeing much more hacked accounts

these arent the comment spammer type hackers it seems tho

11:21 AM

they want to make a big deal so they seem to just be doing 1 person at a time making sure people find out

close enough

12:50 PM

welcome back teamhax

gecko

the hackers are saying they breached every password below 10 characters apparently

I doubt this tbh

me too but i do expect them to have a lot more than what they're showing

gecko

they want to make a big deal so they seem to just be doing 1 person at a time making sure people find out

If this was their main goal they would target more impacful accounts and not just random like b list creators and collab teams

maybe the most impactful accounts typically have good security

1:51 PM

targetting anyone with some sort of notable rates is good for them as it forces action from the community / mods so they're recognised

1:51 PM

free extremes spread like wildfire

gecko

i feel like if they breached a mod's password they'd have used it already ngl

they mustve sent the quid level

2:14 PM

real talk tho its so funny how that was just randomly picked

2:14 PM

not sent in almost an entire year

2:14 PM

wonder how he found it

there's a chance it was sent in the brief window between when the send bot updates and when it was rated

highly doubt that

https://fixvx.com/tricipital14/status/1990293370397458498?s=20

tri (@tricipital14)

↪️ Replying to @electringly

@electringly he don't got internet

7:31 PM

lmaooo

Why is this level in the safe lmao

3:38 PM

It's prolly related to quid's unrated weekly

Tygore 🥀

Why is this level in the safe lmao

filling in spot for the unrated weekly

pseudo weekly

biweekly level

8:32 PM

cant wait to play the 3 day <3

the 3.5 day

https://fxtwitter.com/dartwaffelzz/status/1990879068955287719?s=46&t=pFJDU94U47Vfb7XXboN8Fw

dart (@Dartwaffelzz)

LOOOOOOOL THEY ACTUALLY FIXED IT

Quoting Allodoxa (S3r) (@Allodoxaa) ︀ RobTop’s stupid fucking update broke my part in Instinct. Nice one Rob. ︀︀I want it out in public that the mods DO NOT have my permission to change this part in any way shape or form. It stays exactly like this. Rob should fix his stupid fucking game.

8 5 ❤️ 178 ️ 28.4K

11:06 PM

whats the tea

Did this only just get fixed??

11:12 PM

11:13 PM

2.2 change smth about dash orbs idk it’s not really important

11:13 PM

But s3rios anticipated that it would be fixed

11:13 PM

And instead of just fixing it themselves they chose to say it should be left alone

11:14 PM

It was inevitably going to be fixed though I thought it happened already

11:18 PM

The tea is pretty mid I fear

11:18 PM

It’s that Lipton tea

11:18 PM

Not getting any of that fresh Chinese brew

Didn't know krazy was like this

not krazy

Ik just funny that they got their name

Colon

https://fxtwitter.com/dartwaffelzz/status/1990879068955287719?s=46&t=pFJDU94U47Vfb7XXboN8Fw

idk why it only got fixed now but its so crazy how people have this visceral of a reaction to a bug being fixed in a level lol

Colon

https://fxtwitter.com/dartwaffelzz/status/1990879068955287719?s=46&t=pFJDU94U47Vfb7XXboN8Fw

5:41 AM

rob even owns recordings

6:14 AM

damn

6:14 AM

rob owns catchphrases too

6:14 AM

"WOAH its wulzy" is his

i cant believe robtop created 50,000 rated levels

Colon

https://fxtwitter.com/dartwaffelzz/status/1990879068955287719?s=46&t=pFJDU94U47Vfb7XXboN8Fw

heh....

6:21 AM

The crashout this guy is having on Twitter is insane

im prolly gonna revert it cos apparently it was fine before too

6:40 AM

without having read their posts

the old version was fine yah honeslty was no real need to update it

6:41 AM

but the crashout is still insane lol

ye

6:41 AM

they care the most about bugfix updates out of anyone (edited)

6:41 AM

so whatever just gonna revert

literally nobody else cares except for them its funny

6:43 AM

ye i mean its always rly small updates that fix bugs that make levels significantly harder or impossible, all to make them actually playable so that keeping rating makes sense

6:43 AM

so most creators should be fine with that

yeah theres literally like never been a huge update i dont get the overreaction

not like we're ruining any levels

6:43 AM

normally it's like, add an invisible gameplay object

6:44 AM

to boost how you go off of a slope or a pad or something

6:44 AM

not even visible

to at least a tiny degree i can understand allodoxa being upset with it

Windy landscape has an invis slope right

the part is completey symmetrical and adding an invis fix makes it not symmetrical anymore

Halapeenyo

Windy landscape has an invis slope right

Ye

Halapeenyo

Windy landscape has an invis slope right

windy’s fix is horrible

I honestly cant at alll, the only updates i can understand being slightly upset at are like forceful secret way patches & stuff like nerfing the level

just removed a whole timing

6:45 AM

/click

windy had a bad fix cus it just removed a fairly hard timing

6:45 AM

for allodoxa theres literally 0 sense to it in my mind i cant understand it no matter what lens i see it

6:45 AM

i just see it as someone being not very bright

6:46 AM

it plays the same

6:46 AM

looks the same

gecko

the part is completey symmetrical and adding an invis fix makes it not symmetrical anymore

i think its unreasonable to crash out so much but i can see this being a reason why

its the same in every way except for if you deep look into it in the editor

they just care a lot about nobody else but the creator being allowed to edit their work

gecko

i think its unreasonable to crash out so much but i can see this being a reason why

i get this but its visually and functionally the same so to me its like 100% a non issue

6:47 AM

it just feels like picking out a reason to shit on the mod team as usual soo idk

Chloe 🥀

i get this but its visually and functionally the same so to me its like 100% a non issue

i giggled at this one https://fixupx.com/shikkouko/status/1856331147728257440?s=46&t=Q-B2pBeeF5_zqzdAZ6gF4g

shiko (@shikkouko)

Quoting Allodoxa (S3r) (@Allodoxaa) ︀ RobTop’s stupid fucking update broke my part in Instinct. Nice one Rob. ︀︀I want it out in public that the mods DO NOT have my permission to change this part in any way shape or form. It stays exactly like this. Rob should fix his stupid fucking game.

3 9 ❤️ 36 ️ 1.3K

LOLL

I think this entire argument falls entirely apart purely because the levels are being literally REVERTED TO WORK THE EXACT WAY, especially respecting the creators wishes

6:51 AM

U cant say that they are desecrating levels when its just a simple act of preserving how the original played and having it the same basically, how it was intended

6:51 AM

Devilmine

I think this entire argument falls entirely apart purely because the levels are being literally REVERTED TO WORK THE EXACT WAY, especially respecting the creators wishes

to be fair i didnt have much trust in them after the windy landscape fix so i can understand it

6:51 AM

but in this case it was 100% the same yea

gecko

to be fair i didnt have much trust in them after the windy landscape fix so i can understand it

Tbh i dont even know what is wrong with it cuz i never played windy that much that id know

6:52 AM

can see how it hurts trust if it was that bad tho

the slope click was a timing

6:52 AM

now you dont even click

that's such an easy fix too

6:53 AM

cuz it would just been touch triggered force thingy

6:53 AM

but tbh doesn't matter that much either anymore i feel like

yea they did the force block but no touch trigger

it was impossible right after update tho and it was like the most reported level so quick fix

Definitely makes sense

6:53 AM

better to have it playable than not

even still i dont think it wouldve been very hard to fix properly but its whatever

6:54 AM

definitely hurt lots of people’s trust in the team tho

idk who fixed it but its not that easy to know exactly how something played pre update

6:54 AM

especially for harder levels

The instinct fix is like literally the best thing you could do, no touch dash orb on invis dash orb, literally looks and plays identical

if we were just told we did a bad fix earlier we wouldve updated again

6:55 AM

now its been 2 years

6:55 AM

i would’ve assumed the ppl fixing the levels had some prior experience w the level honestly

6:55 AM

cus they’d know at the very least it wasnt auto

why?

6:55 AM

why would a group of 5 ppl have experience with every single possible demon

6:55 AM

helps to have experience to know exactly what to fix and how

Viprin

why would a group of 5 ppl have experience with every single possible demon

i wasnt thinking for everything but anything super notable like windy is one of the most famous levels of all time

6:56 AM

obv some random demon nobody plays will have far less ppl invested in the fix

I think knowing that one specific click in a decade year old level was a timing and not a buffer or anything isn't the worst thing ever and very reasonable tbh

idk how it played

especially with the lack of testing tools (gdps and stuff) at the beginning of 2.2 (edited)

gdps defo helps a lot nowadays yea

6:57 AM

every level i submit to the form i try to include a video comparing 2.1/2.2 now

thats better

i submitted apollo 11 recently btw

its all manual fixes so it wont always be perfect

6:57 AM

human error

yea

6:58 AM

tried my best to explain exactly how the click worked in 2.1 & what the issue is in 2.2

it's this right?

ya

Viprin

it's this right?

yea

6:59 AM

timing wasnt too hard but you had to click somewhere near the top

6:59 AM

was dieable

7:00 AM

could get 2.1 gdps up when im home if u want it more specific

Imo that whole situation is hella overblown

7:02 AM

This level literally lost no value thanks to the fixes

try this out 128313949

necter

This level literally lost no value thanks to the fixes

Id rather always say the opposite cuz it actually works and is playable than not

Yea lol

necter

This level literally lost no value thanks to the fixes

the click lost Aura imo,,,,

Viprin

try this out 128313949

will play on mobile rn

Im no expert when it comes to extremes but like... isnt a bugfix literally the better choice than no action like... lol

Viprin

try this out 128313949

is this unlisted friends only

7:04 AM

i dont have u added

no

7:04 AM

unlisted

necter

Im no expert when it comes to extremes but like... isnt a bugfix literally the better choice than no action like... lol

For extremes especially yes

gecko

i dont have u added

He don’t fw you twin

omg i searched the id as a user not level

1

7:04 AM

oops

Imagine dying at last click because of a bug

gecko

omg i searched the id as a user not level

Pauze

He don’t fw you twin

u have been typing the past 5 minutes and this is ur only message

No I’ve been reading

Thats because he had to Pause

necter

Thats because he had to Pause

Unmod this guy

1

7:05 AM

Right here

7:05 AM

oh my.god

No way they made a Pauze button beo

I’m like the guy at the party

7:05 AM

They don’t know I fixed windy landscape

They prolly do

It felt pretty identical when I fixed it but also im not good at the game

I was at a party once and they were all gossiping about you Pauze

When fixes got past being easier levels I gave up

1

7:06 AM

Don’t really do them much anymore

7:06 AM

Gave up as in stopped working on them and let people better than me do it

Viprin

try this out 128313949

you can get a lineup where you die to this spike which was impossible to happen in 2.1

This guys legacy is fixing windy landscape

it launches you like too high

And being John GDS dont forget

Viprin

try this out 128313949

Not quite

7:07 AM

first death i held from previous jump second death is the one chloe just sent

Don’t tell s3 he’ll send me another paragraph calling me spineless

Pauze

Don’t tell s3 he’ll send me another paragraph calling me spineless

He will do that anyways because of divine intervention or something

Ok sorry enough tomfoolery time to get serious

How far up the slope was the original click

when i initially found out abt the poor fix i made one myself which worked pretty well iirc i can try something maybe

7:08 AM

dont have time rn tho

were you able to hold into it in 2.1

I thought so

90% sure no unless weird framerate thing

7:09 AM

i beat it on 60hz mobile and i wasnt holding

Might be a 240hz thing

Pretty sure you couldnt hold into it

Ok maybe I’m cooked

It was a timing based jump

I'll check on 2.1 gdps i think

7:09 AM

give me a second

https://youtu.be/8YGrycotdFs?si=U1k7gHjSJSlqzBrr

Zobros

Geometry Dash - Windy Landscape (Very Hard Demon) - by WOOGI1411

7:10 AM

This doesn’t show if you held or not but looks like it

w/ clicks

U die when u hold on 240

Pauze

This doesn’t show if you held or not but looks like it

it’ll always look like that cus jumping off of slopes looks weird

In 2.1

Cooked

7:11 AM

Gg

ok update level

you can hold on 60

7:11 AM

tho

7:11 AM

but thats about it

7:11 AM

Cant you just make the level free

1

I’m so glad hz stuff is better now

7:12 AM

Fr

i definitely died while holding on 60 on mobile

But I miss my 240hz trail

so thats odd (edited)

Slopes pmo in older versions

Viprin

ok update level

this seems good to me

its kinda fire that windy landscape of all levels broke lmao

gecko

this seems good to me

nice

Pauze

I’m so glad hz stuff is better now

im genuinely so glad about it cuz like

idk if its like too easy or too hard tho

Viprin

ok update level

good

what do u mean i dont have to worry about a level breaking on 205 fps specifically

7:13 AM

with a slope

hard to tell if its a bit too hard so others who have 2.1 gdps rn should try

7:14 AM

but feels similar to me

i cant do the click at all

7:14 AM

wtf

7:14 AM

noob

oh actually

7:15 AM

nvm braindamage

Sley

its kinda fire that windy landscape of all levels broke lmao

whats more impressive is this part of Shutdown working flawlessly on 2.2 no fixing required

Viprin

ok update level

thought u meant u pushed it to the level

7:15 AM

LOL

gecko

whats more impressive is this part of Shutdown working flawlessly on 2.2 no fixing required

45* slopes are like not that buggy so makes sense

7:15 AM

but still surprising

yea

im gonna pull up 2.1 gdps 240hz and compare rq

7:16 AM

brb

did mobile and pc 60hz play different in 2.1

7:16 AM

or like did screen resolution affect it

7:16 AM

cus how can devilmine hold on 60 but i couldnt on mobile

i think it depends on alignment actually and if u land on the slope earlier

ah

Chloe 🥀

hard to tell if its a bit too hard so others who have 2.1 gdps rn should try

i will try when i get home if it isnt already pushed to the lvl

7:18 AM

home in like 4 hours ish

gecko

home in like 4 hours ish

reese

7:18 AM

s

ish like the youtuber who made that one video (edited)

7:19 AM

ok gotta go for now

Devilmine

im gonna pull up 2.1 gdps 240hz and compare rq

feels pretty identical to me

7:20 AM

2.2 a little bit easier i think but by not much but functionally the same

7:21 AM

even tho u land a lil bit further in 2.2 on that platform vs 2.1

hmm

7:22 AM

can try to buff it slightly ig

7:22 AM

slopes just hella weird

7:22 AM

Did you die to this slope before 2.2?

most definitely not because thats a result of extended hitbox in 2.2 i think

7:24 AM

can try rq

It felt a little easy to die to ngl

100% a 2.2 thing

Without the invis slope it’s still possible actually

i dont think u can die there at all in 2.1

7:26 AM

????

7:26 AM

LOL

alright new update

Passable slope DemonKey

Viprin

alright new update

Feels good now

7:31 AM

@Devilmine

7:31 AM

thoughts

7:31 AM

compared to 2.1

will peep

fire

ill overlay a recording and actually somewhat try to see

7:32 AM

gimme a second

7:41 AM

i mean this is pretty identical

Is the window for that click the same

Halapeenyo

Is the window for that click the same

its so dependent on the click before its a bit hard to tell admittedly

when you notice the new position of the top structure

7:43 AM

that slope has different hitbox in game compared to editor

7:44 AM

in game it goes a bit further out

gecko

whats more impressive is this part of Shutdown working flawlessly on 2.2 no fixing required

whats even funnier than that is 2.2 fixing heartbeat and the dual in falling up on high refresh rates

dude genuinely

7:45 AM

like

Devilmine

Click to see attachment 🖼️

i cant believe you would violate woogis original artistic intent by adding this invisible slope here

I don’t remember exactly when the click was on windy but this feels really really close to how it used to

Halapeenyo

Is the window for that click the same

tried rn and it rlly feels very identical

7:46 AM

i cant tell the difference pretty much

the random touch trigger worked

7:46 AM

dude lowkey

7:46 AM

would be a funny fix to a buggy part in an old level that barely worked

7:46 AM

instead of making it consistent use a random trigger

7:46 AM

identical to 2.1

7:46 AM

W viprin ❤️‍

im dropping it

7:47 AM

Windy Landscape by ViPriN and WOOGI

2

gotta make windy landscape x with him

7:47 AM

️

0.720 power circular force object

it's perfect

7:49 AM

had to run the calculations

inb4 the twitter post saying that mods are ruining windy landscape more

7:51 AM

will be landing on twitter in approximately 5-6 hours

7:51 AM

be prepared

7:51 AM

This is true

7:52 AM

Tell em pauze did it

tell em 他妈的杀人机器 did it

Devilmine

inb4 the twitter post saying that mods are ruining windy landscape more

7:55 AM

we've updated soo many levels atp that ppl don't care about

7:55 AM

it's just s3rios

7:55 AM

eh close enough, lets take the moon again

wasnt the form to submit broken levels public

7:56 AM

im like 99% sure it was right

ye

Ye

ok

7:57 AM

https://x.com/tricipital14/status/1991153039789408567?s=20

tri (@tricipital14)

@cobrablitzz there actually still exists an official google form to submit broken levels to be fixed not sure how frequently it's checked but it by definition WAS publicized that Rob was doing this

7:57 AM

ts

7:57 AM

ts

Viprin

Windy Landscape by ViPriN and WOOGI

Say that to the public and they will smoke you to ashes bro

"you can tell that they know what they're doing is wrong because this process isn't publicized whatsoever"

7:59 AM

here to get labeled as a robtop glazer once again

tri

"you can tell that they know what they're doing is wrong because this process isn't publicized whatsoever"

7:59 AM

there was this entire announcement in the lb server

if u didnt know about this u been living under a rock tbh cos it caused drama for a bit right after 2.2

this is so insane to me

but they prolly mean more like publicizing which levels are fixed and when and stuff

to me it feels like they want to complain JUST to complain

Drama for a bit is saying too little... people were furious on twitter about all this

cuz this is genuinely a non-issue to me

arcanin

to me it feels like they want to complain JUST to complain

Mods bad community good

yea exactly

arcanin

to me it feels like they want to complain JUST to complain

yeah same

twitter itself is largely anti-authority no matter what

I understand it at like surface level

I cant take this seriously because it seems like its just because MODS.... are doing it

I think half these guys think we are doing big reworks

8:03 AM

When in reality we do the absolute minimum

Theyre talking about desecration

tri

twitter itself is largely anti-authority no matter what

they dont understand that most of what they think of as "authority" in the gd community is just young adults like us playing the game and trying to help out

Isn’t it stated in the form the least amount of changes possible is done to preserve the original level

We literally want to do the exact opposite of harm

Or similar wording

Actually some sort of documentation of changes would be a good thing. But its too late for that I think

We used to do it

8:04 AM

But it caused too much screaming

Publically?

Or well I used to do it

8:05 AM

Ye

I see

Back when it was just me

8:05 AM

But it didn’t really solve a problem

8:05 AM

Just created more screaming

8:05 AM

And a target for that screaming

Halapeenyo

Isn’t it stated in the form the least amount of changes possible is done to preserve the original level

So when we moved to new group system we stopped announcing

Cant really please everyone unfortunately

8:06 AM

Thats the main issue

Yeah

people on twitter will complain no matter what is done

Twitter is incapable of intellectual human thinking

it isnt even necissarely that

The evil villains of RobTop are killing the levels

its moreso an echo chamber where u dont have to challenge thoughts

8:07 AM

and get affirmed

Yeah

twitter thinks "mods = bad"

8:07 AM

in any circumstance

8:08 AM

so that reflects here too

necter

The evil villains of RobTop are killing the levels

Shit reads like a Trump tweet

8:08 AM

Retruth

fixing levels, mods doing it <- mods bad so makes sense

Devilmine

twitter thinks "mods = bad"

Nah mods good when they send level Easy

8:08 AM

Otherwise bleh

i mean idk if u guys saw

Demote ples

but ppl were like

8:09 AM

insanely conspiracy theoristic about the quid weekly

8:09 AM

Mod team killed my dog bruh

Okay I still wanna know how the hell did Rob even find the level

Very prominent “mod bad” rhetoric on Twitter

It wasnt even sent for a long time

8:09 AM

Its like all the stars aligned to make Rob look bad there

Halapeenyo

Very prominent “mod bad” rhetoric on Twitter

They cannot hate on you bro

8:10 AM

Not on my watch

No they love me I’m the exception

Devilmine

twitter thinks "mods = bad"

They super hate you tho

Halapeenyo

No they love me I’m the exception

all because of ur naming 100 gd players vid

8:11 AM

ong

8:11 AM

They didn’t know what I was capable of til that vid

christian moms hate devilmine when they catch their children playing demon difficulty levels

Halapeenyo

They didn’t know what I was capable of til that vid

still didn't name me

Halapeenyo

They super hate you tho

Nah Im Twitter Goat

8:12 AM

Watch my new tweet pop off

8:12 AM

Its social commentary trust

CheYuriy

still didn't name me

Fr????

8:13 AM

Forgot the goat

Another reason to demote Halapeenyo I think

We almost level 3 btw Easy

wait that's actually true

8:14 AM

6 days to go

8:14 AM

bc wod works with 360 days

Our whole wave is still here too ❤️

we need to change that

I nominate nexter

Ok so we have unanimously decided that nexter has to go

Dude

8:15 AM

How do I even counter this attack on me. Stop bullying guys. Not cool

Halapeenyo

They didn’t know what I was capable of til that vid

bro im being so for real i woke up from a dream like 30 minutes ago where you resigned from mod because you peaked from making that video and you couldnt make anything else to match it

8:16 AM

so you just resigned

LOOL

Can we make dreams reality please

8:16 AM

Make a wish type deal

like i opened modchat and i was confused why you were still here for like 5 seconds before remembering it was a dream

Lia

bro im being so for real i woke up from a dream like 30 minutes ago where you resigned from mod because you peaked from making that video and you couldnt make anything else to match it

And he’s got another 3000 in him

️

crazy asf

If I make it to 6k someone gotta kill me bruh

1

im up to 648 days now

also just checked and holy shit dude has it really been that long (edited)

8:20 AM

Pauze

If I make it to 6k someone gotta kill me bruh

August 5th 2033

crazy

8:23 AM

still feels like i got promoted last week

feels like you got promoted in like 2022

Viprin being at like 4k is crazy

8:25 AM

Decent chunk of the player base hasn’t been alive that long

Lia

feels like you got promoted in like 2022

Halapeenyo

Decent chunk of the player base hasn’t been alive that long

honestly kinda insane to think about that

8:25 AM

wait yeah

when vip was promoted to Mod i was like

8:26 AM

6?

8:26 AM

lmao

11 years as mod is insane

that young top player kelancraft or whatever was born years AFTER vip got mod

8:26 AM

Bro was modded while Obama was president

not real

bro got the obamacare promotion

Came free with the Obamacare

8:27 AM

Gd mod

brooooo

8:27 AM

thats hype as hell (edited)

You better make it to 11 years spark

ill be 32 by that point

8:29 AM

Younger than evw

Halapeenyo

Decent chunk of the player base hasn’t been alive that long

"I've been mod before you were even planned"

3

bro evw'

uan

when vip was promoted to Mod i was like

Vip became mod when I was already eligible to use Discord before Discord was even born at first place

i was gonna say evw's son should go for mod once he's like 17

8:30 AM

father and son both on the mod team

8:30 AM

nepo baby

First nepo baby mod

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i was gonna say evw's son should go for mod once he's like 17

that'll be perfect

Assuming the mod team doesn’t implode by that time

Will mods call rob grandpa at that time?

mods with 10 years on the team get 1 extra day of vacation

new senior moderator role

8:33 AM

only new perk is that your icon will always have wrinkles and gray hair

evil mod badge when @CazVixX 🥀

cparc (only urgent report tags)

new senior moderator role

throwback to servers that have like helper helper+ trial moderator moderator moderator+ senior moderator senior moderator+ admin admin+ senior admin co-owner owner

uan

evil mod badge when @CazVixX 🥀

he's already one

Its already red

1

CheYuriy

throwback to servers that have like helper helper+ trial moderator moderator moderator+ senior moderator senior moderator+ admin admin+ senior admin co-owner owner

gd creator school:

2

But I wouldn't mind elder elder mod so it would be more evil

CazVixX 🥀

But I wouldn't mind elder elder mod so it would be more evil

gds april fools trial trial staff

Elder elder mod

Elder maintenance

Leaderboard Leaderboard Moderator

Elder RobTop

Leaderboard Robtop

Oooh true

RobTop+

Co-RobTop

I miss when hado was robtop

RobTop Jr.

Halapeenyo

I miss when hado was robtop

Good times

BabyZobros

2

When we had #apps

8:37 AM

Yuriy too new-gen to know BabyZobros

8:37 AM

8:38 AM

and uan

what is babyzobros

it was a person in the community

Im ngl idk what that is either

oh it's an actual account?

they changed their name later

idek what babyzobros is

prolly realized how dumb it was

8:38 AM

not a "what", who

8:39 AM

HalapeenyoHater still exists I think

uan

HalapeenyoHater still exists I think

2

I'm too clueless to know who the fuck is BabyZobros

my first opp

8:40 AM

see ryder knew

8:40 AM

also i just realized what the bottom pic is

8:40 AM

Viprin

Click to see attachment 🖼️

@Sley you would fuck with the pussywagon

8:41 AM

My name Jeff

Viprin

Yuriy too new-gen to know BabyZobros

general-1 dude

What general are we on now

8:41 AM

3-4?

39

8:41 AM

i reckon

15

Halapeenyo

3-4?

ain't gonna mention these numbers, sorry

(random guess)

my earliest gd server messages were like this in 2018

8:42 AM

4y4 / chooch 🥀

ain't gonna mention these numbers, sorry

I HAD THE SAME IDEA LOL

General-6

wher iz my artizt rol

Possibly general-7

Could be general 6-7

8:42 AM

For sure

this is general 27

CheYuriy

my earliest gd server messages were like this in 2018

those who know hoodiebashoo are the true r/gd legacy though

8:43 AM

bro i threw out 39 as a funny number i did not expect it to actually not be that far off

8:43 AM

crazy

What’s the first message in mod chat

probably a slur

1

i mostly remember saya, hoodie, andreasK, pistachio, omega from the 2017 gd

8:44 AM

probably some more if i look in squonk squad server

never thought we had 26 generals before

8:44 AM

i wonder if one of them was ruffs

CheYuriy

i mostly remember saya, hoodie, andreasK, pistachio, omega from the 2017 gd

not sparksomega btw

8:45 AM

different person

from 2026 gd i remember TungTungGMD, Waiwaiwaiwait, OrcaleroOrcala, Creator67, Wallatello, and TralaleroTralala

Viprin

from 2026 gd i remember TungTungGMD, Waiwaiwaiwait, OrcaleroOrcala, Creator67, Wallatello, and TralaleroTralala

Time to go to bed grandpa

️

Viprin

from 2026 gd i remember TungTungGMD, Waiwaiwaiwait, OrcaleroOrcala, Creator67, Wallatello, and TralaleroTralala

well this one exists

i remember thinginventor was goated in 2027 gd

Viprin

from 2026 gd i remember TungTungGMD, Waiwaiwaiwait, OrcaleroOrcala, Creator67, Wallatello, and TralaleroTralala

top 5 worst msgs oat

4y4 / chooch 🥀

i remember thinginventor was goated in 2027 gd

it was actually 2028...

cparc (only urgent report tags)

@Sley you would fuck with the pussywagon

i knew it

8:48 AM

man what a discussion we're having

8:48 AM

what would sarin think

This is such a #discussion

this is the discussion of all time

real lineup

nahh u guys misusing discussion channel

Viprin

nahh u guys misusing discussion channel

My bad

CheYuriy

Click to see attachment 🖼️

these are mod candidates you know

I like when grandpa viprin tells us campfire stories about old mod chat

5

4

fits discussion

CheYuriy

real lineup

I got money on kenward mod in 2027

TungTungGMD sounds like someone whos been permabanned for spamming slurs in daily chat ngl

let's bring back sayajiaji as elder mod candidate after 4 years of no mentions

i love when ppl used "gmd"

8:50 AM

GeoMetry Dash

Good Morning Dash

Halapeenyo

I like when grandpa viprin tells us campfire stories about old mod chat

You can’t ever resign btw someone has to bear this knowledge forever

8:51 AM

Eternal mod

cparc (only urgent report tags)

TungTungGMD sounds like someone whos been permabanned for spamming slurs in daily chat ngl

Oh absolutely

Halapeenyo

You can’t ever resign btw someone has to bear this knowledge forever

What's modchat gonna do without viprin

8:53 AM

Hold my beer

8:53 AM

Please not nexter

i think we can do without nexter just fine

The first thing Id do is ban Halapeenyo

If all maintenance resigns are we cooked

❤️

CheYuriy

i think we can do without nexter just fine

Then Yuriy and Spark shortly after

Pauze passes ownership to nexter

8:54 AM

It’s so over

U capitalised my name so ur argument is invalid

In minutes

Who's Yuriy

necter

Then Yuriy and Spark shortly after

what about my woat kazvixx?

Depends if they vouch or not

Ur obviously forgetting the actual candidates

8:54 AM

lia and yrax

Anyone who vouches for me gets ultimate moderator

necter

Depends if they vouch or not

nah i'm about banning him

My maintenecial campaign

8:55 AM

cparc (only urgent report tags)

lia and yrax

are these demotion candidates cause im so for this

8:55 AM

especially that lia person

of course

Lia can go

no thats mean lia is my twin

8:55 AM

im sorry lia

You can as well if you please

you can go as well then

woww

dude nexter

8:56 AM

you and me

Hello

if we demote lia, we should promote him

we get it

8:56 AM

we get each other

cparc (only urgent report tags)

we get it

forest fire duo

4y4 / chooch 🥀

if we demote lia, we should promote him

leaderboard mod kit

Don’t start agreeing with nexter

4y4 / chooch 🥀

if we demote lia, we should promote him

No shot they added you to brawl stars

Chloe 🥀

forest fire duo

says the living water writing gif

necter

No shot they added you to brawl stars

nono 4y4 is jessie

8:56 AM

we need lb mod jessie

Halapeenyo

Don’t start agreeing with nexter

Stop this antinexter propaganda

nexter sent labubu rooms btwe

Remember were platformer folk we in same team...

actually true we need to demote everyone who sent labubu rooms

Haha Im safe!

8:57 AM

Byebye BAD mods.

8:57 AM

(Except Waffl3x. They can stay)

Chloe 🥀

nexter sent labubu rooms btwe

hold on

8:59 AM

nexter may be goated

labubu rooms is actually fire though you dont get it

They all doubt me

9:01 AM

But soon people will realise... Im actually kinda goated

9:01 AM

Even with the sauce, perhaps

actually chloe sent an electromans edit

9:01 AM

u gotta go twin

cparc (only urgent report tags)

actually chloe sent an electromans edit

yes cause its good

9:02 AM

and fun

Chloe 🥀

yes cause its good

i made it in like 2 hours

9:03 AM

CheYuriy

we need lb mod jessie

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i made it in like 2 hours

my standards are fairly low and its an entertaining & fun level so its a W

Can we do mod awards alongside gd awards

9:03 AM

Nexter gets worst send to rate ratio award

My standards about mods are kinda high though... chloe you gotta go

can we give worst mod award to lia and best mod award to waffl3x

Halapeenyo

Can we do mod awards alongside gd awards

i always had something like this in the back of my head

CheYuriy

i always had something like this in the back of my head

like

9:04 AM

making a form for

9:04 AM

funniest mod

Chloe 🥀

my standards are fairly low and its an entertaining & fun level so its a W

people would actually want me dead if it got rated

Halapeenyo

Nexter gets worst send to rate ratio award

Far from truth axtual

9:04 AM

Actually

CheYuriy

funniest mod

scariest mod, etc

9:04 AM

“Most likely to be demoted”

but only voting within us

Ye

cparc (only urgent report tags)

people would actually want me dead if it got rated

probably, you just need the robtop comment and then thats like plot armor

Halapeenyo

“Most likely to be demoted”

Halapeenyo

Nexter gets worst send to rate ratio award

actually lowkey another round of send stats would maybe be cool

9:05 AM

ngl

Rob likes the levels I send! Halapeenyo doesnt even send things! That guy should be demoted!

Gotta have your moderator Spotify wrapped

i checked my stats recently i got like 99%

9:06 AM

This guy bruh

Bro sent 3 and a half levels

i have hundreds

I feel like whizkid probably has a really low send -> rate ratio just cause he usually sends demons

rob just loves my sends

9:06 AM

I wonder why

9:06 AM

Viprin winning best send to rate ratio for another year in a row

How does he do it...

yea next up has like 70%

Halapeenyo

Viprin winning best send to rate ratio for another year in a row

it's been 12 years in a row

floppy has like 90% too but he sent 5 levels

my % has prolly dropped a shitton

9:07 AM

rob dont fuck with my sends no more

5 levels is aura tho

my % is probably low cause i send a lotta things

My % is cooked from platformers

9:07 AM

It’s the cross we bare

Halapeenyo

My % is cooked from platformers

Eh not rly they get rated but at a slow pace

yea i basically only send classics and its the stuff i upload which is epic+

i'm pretty sure i have like 20% cuz i send a pretty decent amount of old levels

wonder what the 1% is

9:08 AM

Rob fw my sends heavily

9:08 AM

s/o

9:08 AM

But I still send a lot so the % will be bad trollface

i'm probably holding on a 60% or something

9:08 AM

maybe wrong

9:08 AM

Got like 800 levels checked already last time I counted

what if rob blacklisted ur sends in his system but because someone else sends them too and they get rated through that it seems like ur goated

9:09 AM

think about that

The one send rates disprove this

9:09 AM

if rob blacklisted someones sends why are they even here Troll

9:09 AM

cosmetic mod badge

Lol thats just Halapeenyo

1

we need some fodder

cparc (only urgent report tags)

if rob blacklisted someones sends why are they even here Troll

trial mod

theres also shadow mods

9:10 AM

no badge but send perms

Viprin

what if rob blacklisted ur sends in his system but because someone else sends them too and they get rated through that it seems like ur goated

nah that means i would have 15% of send/rate ratio

Viprin

theres also shadow mods

TheJShadow

9:10 AM

You guys really think of everything!

Viprin

no badge but send perms

ye that's sparktwo

9:10 AM

always comes in clutch when i need an extra send

Next year I’m only sending viprin uploads

thechooooooooch be like:

I want that 100%

dead account for 2 years btw

Do a mod bingo, send 10 levels from a random send tab page and see how many will get rated trollface

Halapeenyo

Next year I’m only sending viprin uploads

and then i upload Peaceful 2 and it goes down to 99%

Sabotage

Viprin

no badge but send perms

select random people who use fake send button mod and make their button actually work

u need to watch all my vids to see if all are actually worth sending

9:12 AM

ad revenue

CheYuriy

select random people who use fake send button mod and make their button actually work

but don't tell them

9:12 AM

️

Globed got 4 shadow mods and no one knows

9:13 AM

necter

Globed got 4 shadow mods and no one knows

i know you're one of them

2 of my alts and 2 of owners alts trollface

bro

9:13 AM

he didnt even ask me anything

9:13 AM

just sent this

I wanna make the mod awards vid would be so funny, just for us only

i remember like last year i think

9:13 AM

there was a youtuber

9:13 AM

pretending to be mod (edited)

Halapeenyo

I wanna make the mod awards vid would be so funny, just for us only

Itd be fun yea

9:13 AM

I vouch

Nexter winning best mod award 100% (edited)

Shut up

fire reply

cparc (only urgent report tags)

fire reply

cparc (only urgent report tags)

bro

Ain’t no way I open Mod Chat and saw babyzobros name

9:14 AM

Good times

I am glad I have Halapeenyohater in my friends list

Halapeenyo

I wanna make the mod awards vid would be so funny, just for us only

We need happy new year from mod team back

1

9:14 AM

peak video

Actually true

Make one

Ryder

Ain’t no way I open Mod Chat and saw babyzobros name

see ryder knows

9:14 AM

my goat

Can we do a merry christmas one too

If I organize it would you guys be down

4

1

Yea

Unfortunately I am a knower… (edited)

Halapeenyo

If I organize it would you guys be down

i'm too lazy to do another russian translation of a random 80s aong

nah we dont wanna do "mod chat" videos again

4

would still be goated to make it a private thing among us

2

9:16 AM

could mix with the "mod awards"

Can we do mod chat awards privately then

ye thats fine

9:16 AM

just not public

The mod awards??

9:16 AM

Wait this is a crazy idea

Best Auto Mod Autonick

9:17 AM

Im cookin

Yeah I see that pots, pans, and sauce

necter

Best Auto Mod Autonick

Best

Mod nexter

9:17 AM

I unlocked actual nails

Ryder

Yeah I see that pots, pans, and sauce

@Ryder @Halapeenyo Time to cook up modchat event

9:17 AM

9:18 AM

the dream trio

We gotta

9:19 AM

Need categories

9:19 AM

Best send ratio Most levels sent

Least levels sent

Winning the worst send ratio award goes crazy

9:20 AM

Least effective mod award

can do a mix of subjective or objective

You get demoted for winning

3

Is there a stat for like most consistent sends? Like if I send something for Epic and it gets Epic

Ye need subjective ones too

Best mod

We need some categories to vote on

Given to the Mod who feels most like a mod

True

Mod who is just in the chat for the vibes award

Ryder

You get demoted for winning

now i'm locked in DemonKey

... to give my vote to lia

1

Most brainrotted mod

9:22 AM

That ones kinda tough

9:22 AM

Dont even dare say me

May as well call it the Tricipital award

Doesn’t look at #reports award -> Ryder

2

Revivan espanol channel award

most messages sent in #information

9:23 AM

️

Actually

9:23 AM

Biggest mod chat yapper

That’s a good one

The mod ever

Scariest mod was a funny category

9:24 AM

We also need funniest and unfunniest one

Best pfp award (edited)

9:24 AM

Best Icon

necter

We also need funniest and unfunniest one

Omw to win unfunniest mod award by a slide

Oh yea best icon set would be tuff

best @Level 8 mod

9:27 AM

Kinda unrelated, I thought disp said he was resigning is he just staying out of mod chat instead?

disp is in modchat

He is??

9:31 AM

Bro I thought he left

9:31 AM

Missed my goat ❤️‍

glad that they didn't go through with it honestly

9:32 AM

was a heated moment but it's all good now

9:32 AM

❤️

Halapeenyo

Bro I thought he left

He did but came back

9:38 AM

Yay!

Glad to see it Easy

Id win an award in not sent - rated category

id win an award in the yapping awards

Viprin

from 2026 gd i remember TungTungGMD, Waiwaiwaiwait, OrcaleroOrcala, Creator67, Wallatello, and TralaleroTralala

what the fuck

Chloe 🥀

can we give worst mod award to lia and best mod award to waffl3x

play red velvet by waffl3x

10:11 AM

this message is in no way sponsored

Viprin

alright new update

can still just barely die to the slope with a late timing

Devilmine

U die when u hold on 240

after testing more thoroughly on 2.1, the green area seems to be where you live if you hold the next jump, and the red is where you'd die (black is too early)

12:12 PM

2.1 gdps ID for this: 4623 @Devilmine & anyone else with 2.1 gdps check to see if its the same for u

Cant test rn

12:16 PM

Can in like maybe an hour

Pauze

Mod team killed my dog bruh

https://fxtwitter.com/ypermgd/status/1985465418807378278?s=46

YPerm (@YPermGD)

5 23 ❤️ 298 ️ 7.8K

gecko

after testing more thoroughly on 2.1, the green area seems to be where you live if you hold the next jump, and the red is where you'd die (black is too early)

made a fix in 2.2: 128324319

1:26 PM

this works pretty much identical to 2.1 240fps from my testing

1:27 PM

i left the click indicator in so you can see for yourself

1:29 PM

the goal was to make the slope click fully dependent on the previous one, as that's what caused the nuance in 2.1 if you click in the green area, you do not hit the toggle triggers and there is a teleport trigger that gives you the correct force to pass the slope jump while holding if you click in the red area, you hit the toggle trigger which toggles off the current teleport trigger and toggles on a different one a few steps back, causing holding to barely not make it like it did in 2.1, and to make the click possible, i re-used Viprin's fix but lowered the force to accomodate for my teleport trigger (edited)

1:30 PM

@Chloe 🥀 if ur still on test it out if u can

Viprin

ye thats fine

a new year vid exclusively on the robtop channel with the yearly stats would be kinda goated ngl

3:06 PM

not mod stuff just game stats

3:07 PM

like total amount of rates, creator with most rates, etc

3:07 PM

that was always super fun to watch from those vids, difference would be that instead of all mods uploading its just rob and it doesnt have anything to do with mods, so no quotes or that kinda stuff (edited)

3:08 PM

just kinda like a stats overview would be rly sick

3:08 PM

miss those

3:09 PM

or maybe make it part of the awards like a prelude or ensing? I can't recall if this is already being a thing (edited)

oh yea that stat section from gd10 was so cool

3:10 PM

it'd be especially fun to see how much community has achieved these years as the game is booming

gd10 stats animation was so goated

4:26 PM

One of my fav parts

me too

It was so fun looking for the names of people I recognized in the big icon made of names

gecko

made a fix in 2.2: 128324319

updated thanks

12:28 AM

btw can you check if instinct is reverted

12:28 AM

don't know exactly how it was before

Viprin

btw can you check if instinct is reverted

will do in a bit

Viprin

don't know exactly how it was before

i havent played it before but ending is the same as it was pre update yea

noice

Viprin

noice

oh yea btw idk how backlogged u guys are rn but i do have a fix for apollo 11 too, assuming u guys still try to contact creator before updating externally tho

1:05 AM

actually do U guys do that im not even sure (edited)

I suppose these fixes are mostly needed when it's impossible to reach the creator

1:09 AM

So I doubt

would make sense yea

gecko

actually do U guys do that im not even sure (edited)

ye

1:13 AM

nasgubb is active so he'll prolly fix himself

eyle

depends!! if the samples are cleared then it tends to be a private agreement - this is usually done for music that IS mainstream. if they ARENT said music usually is uploaded to sites like bandcamp where they may still be bought and generally are pretty unlikely to be taken down bc its a whole lawsuit

https://x.com/kurrco/status/1991222272879681952?s=46

Kurrco (@Kurrco)

WhoSampled has been acquired by Spotify.

1

10:59 AM

well then

inf

https://x.com/kurrco/status/1991222272879681952?s=46

welp

its over

I'm a bit confused, what are the exact implications of this news

Many underground rap and edm artists use vocal or musical samples from other songs as part of their track’s structure. Think xaev, ta1lsd0ll and dj sabrina. If you refer to the conversation me and PAHC had, you’d learn that many sample-oriented songs run the risk of copyright or lawsuit claims if they aren’t given clearance, which is less of a case for artists who simply aren’t big enough to be recognized or mainstream WhoSampled acts as a database that scrutinizes a song/track for sampled elements and where they are from. By being acquired by Spotify they likely paved the door for more copyright issues, which could affect monetization and, worse, lead to more legal issues. (edited)

Honestly I disagree lmao

12:34 PM

not like Spotify acquiring them is somehow making the information more readily available than it already was

12:34 PM

granted I don't love that spotify owns it now either, but that's more because I think it'll just become shit

can someone in like maintenance or something tell rob to stop making epilepsy levels daily/weekly/event, it's genuinely getting so fucking annoying and hurts my eyes so much. Like if it says "epilepsy warning" in the first 2 seconds just make one of the other 10 levels rated the daily

u have him added too, just dm him

nothing we can do about hacked accounts with creator points right?

7:56 PM

just checking

Auck

nothing we can do about hacked accounts with creator points right?

if the acc is clearly hacked then report to rob and he can lock it

7:57 PM

but as for proof of an account being hacked we dont usually do much

7:57 PM

bc its so hard to prove that its you

Pauze

if the acc is clearly hacked then report to rob and he can lock it

ok nice gonna check in game

7:57 PM

and yea thats reasonable

recovery is kinda rough

hard to prove if u dont have the email to just reset password

7:57 PM

yea

7:58 PM

ty

Pauze

recovery is kinda rough

yea so about the account

https://youtu.be/yxylO30fukI?t=559

Mohammed Ja'kalem Al-abdula

How to get CP on Geometry Dash WITHOUT MAKING A LEVEL (EASY) (NO RO...

8:10 PM

its the one at this timestamp in the video

8:11 PM

literally just gave the account away

8:11 PM

if they still have access to the "ihaveurmom" email shown in the video they could 100% prove its them tho

8:11 PM

so thats hype

8:12 PM

checking if they do

8:12 PM

i like how the thumbnail says rob is not needed as if the creator points on the accounts they get arent from rob Skull

Yo. I got DMED by a grooming victim earlier today and was asked to potentially get something done about this, Creator "Lexiso" apparently has groomed them while they were 15/16 and I got this document attached with proof. ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1alwZkjg8PSTg_kzPkB5VXwC7tKURsS2aWv_4BPRaegw/edit?usp=drivesdk ). That said Id argue that it would be more than enough to forward something to Rob and maybe get them blacklisted from rates further down the line potentially but I want to forward it here for further opinions and also just for awareness on this

Lexiso

In 2021, I was 15/16. She was well over 20 but I don't exactly remember. She asked me mostly for nudes and money from what I remember about our conversations. Man I don't wanna look at these anymore. This is more than enough. There's an endless amount more of these. Nudes, lewds...

8:11 AM

Huge warning on the document because it contains quite bad things

8:11 AM

(I also got permission to forward that here)

Lexiso? Didn't they use to be Jaylex or something

yea

Also in v+p yeah

8:20 AM

Had a feeling I talked to them somewhat recently

theyve always been really strange this doesnt surprise me in the slightest

I used to be friends with them but in v&p they always had some weird tone to how they speak so i kind of distanced from them. still pretty sad that this happened as they were pretty nice sometimes

8:21 AM

unfortunate

ugh

??????????????????????????????

9:05 AM

What the fuck

this is crazy I knew jaylex back then

9:19 AM

????? I know the victim too what

9:20 AM

I think both these people were in my server or something like years ago

9:21 AM

its crazy that they mention in the message "gotta stay friends before you report me on twitter" like what the hell

9:21 AM

they knew exactly what they were doing

Devilmine

Yo. I got DMED by a grooming victim earlier today and was asked to potentially get something done about this, Creator "Lexiso" apparently has groomed them while they were 15/16 and I got this document attached with proof. ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1alwZkjg8PSTg_kzPkB5VXwC7tKURsS2aWv_4BPRaegw/edit?usp=drivesdk ). That said Id argue that it would be more than enough to forward something to Rob and maybe get them blacklisted from rates further down the line potentially but I want to forward it here for further opinions and also just for awareness on this

ew oh my god

Devilmine

Yo. I got DMED by a grooming victim earlier today and was asked to potentially get something done about this, Creator "Lexiso" apparently has groomed them while they were 15/16 and I got this document attached with proof. ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1alwZkjg8PSTg_kzPkB5VXwC7tKURsS2aWv_4BPRaegw/edit?usp=drivesdk ). That said Id argue that it would be more than enough to forward something to Rob and maybe get them blacklisted from rates further down the line potentially but I want to forward it here for further opinions and also just for awareness on this

This is devastating

2:36 PM

Shes a close friend of mine

2:37 PM

Oh my

we used to be close as well, back around 2019-2021

3:32 PM

had a whole gc with me, her, zoroa and optawolf/howler

3:32 PM

very disappointed to see this

Is there a difference between this lexy and lexycat?

inf

Is there a difference between this lexy and lexycat?

2 different people yeah

ah

By the way, apologies for asking, but should the whole NinKaz situation be of any concern on a personal level? I can’t help but feel like most of the allegations thrown at him are overblown and unnecessary, yet it’s been pushed by multiple people in the comments section of his levels. I’ve reported the comments of instigating behavior in #reports , but i worry if that if there’s action taken people would be under the impression we are picking sides

inf

By the way, apologies for asking, but should the whole NinKaz situation be of any concern on a personal level? I can’t help but feel like most of the allegations thrown at him are overblown and unnecessary, yet it’s been pushed by multiple people in the comments section of his levels. I’ve reported the comments of instigating behavior in #reports , but i worry if that if there’s action taken people would be under the impression we are picking sides

From what I read people just have been grasping at straws to find any reason to fabricate hate, especially because its done by the people who breached into their account and have posted something about them being bad for being gay or something iirc

10:29 AM

I think the only bad thing I saw mentioned was that he has dmed Cerufiffy ingame a link to porn or something like 5-6 years ago (?)

10:30 AM

which if that was and is the only thing they are going off is pretty weak to say the least

Devilmine

From what I read people just have been grasping at straws to find any reason to fabricate hate, especially because its done by the people who breached into their account and have posted something about them being bad for being gay or something iirc

Yeah i feel like its overblown. I will say that there are certain artists that ninkaz follows whose illustrations supposedly depict characters of young age, which is definitely odd to me But beyond that there’s literally nothing about the doc that strikes me as being that horrible or a danger to other people. (edited)

GD goes sigma mode - 940663

3:44 PM

Oddly enough a cool list.

i hate this list with all of my being but i mean it in a positive way Does that make sense

4:01 PM

it Achieves it's Goal

4:01 PM

wait why is Gang in there LOL

gecko

wait why is Gang in there LOL

ts tuff gng

Devilmine

ts tuff gng

oh my godd

i cant LOL

https://x.com/Krazyman50/status/1992047624166498657?t=XVPc7gXewdQaGqADg7E1pw&s=19 is that even doable?

KrmaL (@Krazyman50)

@itstygrysek If there's a way to do that without undoing peoples' completion/progress I wouldn't be against it

what is this about

For context, tygrysek jokingly said for Phobos to be put into his account back and Krmal seems to be okay with this

oh interesting

5:52 PM

krmal is fine with phobos being moved to tygrysek account

5:52 PM

thats very interesting

why does tygrysek care in 2025

5:52 PM

are they back

LOL

they were never rly gone

Hes fooling around

this would be such an out of nowhere funny change

just not in the community much

Yea Tygrysek is a mod in my polish community server now lol

5:53 PM

Hes been more active ever since I made the server

gotchu

5:53 PM

well, when levels are moved all stats are in tact im nearly certain

5:53 PM

it's been done a lot

yeah lots of big levels had that before (edited)

5:54 PM

like zodiac

Hm interesting

wasureta is one i remember

5:54 PM

twice i think

wasureta was moved once

oh was it not crazen -> augi -> helpe?

unrated from crazen, rerated on augi, moved to helpeg

It'd be funny to have this done lmao I could ask him to confirm if he wants Phobos on his account

ah

Although I have no contact with Krmal so

i can ask him and then get the move done

5:55 PM

Thatd be fire

phobos seems so tied to krmal's identity now

5:55 PM

i dont think i can bring myself to accept the move

def double check with tygrysek first cus that reply seems very jokey (edited)

but if its what they want then they can do it

Lia

def double check with tygrysek first cus that reply seems very jokey (edited)

yea

feels pretty unnecessary of a thing to do

Yea I dmd him

next up: yatagarasu from trusta -> viprin

everyone would like this

5:56 PM

kritmas from spkale to danke

5:56 PM

true?

what if we do the opposite

5:57 PM

acheron from riot -> zoink

5:57 PM

can i just have every level on my account

if it gets moved to tygrysek's account probably make sure its update locked

9:06 PM

i would not trust the guy to not do something dumb from past experiences with them (edited)

sink

if it gets moved to tygrysek's account probably make sure its update locked

Would be by default cuz old ID

I do not trust Tygrysek in the slightest lol

Why would we even do that because of a joke while we reject almost every same request from other people?

CazVixX 🥀

Why would we even do that because of a joke while we reject almost every same request from other people?

we won't move it if it's a joke. aside from that, this request is not similar to other ones we get which are often to move levels from an alt to your main and similar. this is about the actual host of a level getting their megacollab on their account when the verifier originally uploaded it. if both truly want it then i dont think rob would be opposed. lots of levels have been moved from verifiers

Okay Tygrysek confirmed he'd like to get the level

2:42 AM

He wanted to take the intiative when it was 10th anniversary of the level but he kinda missed the mark

damn

He wasn't even the original host, that would be gmtsean. He just happened to be the original uploader because he was given "verification duty" after the level got dropped by Riot I think

4:14 AM

Then he decided it was too hard so he hacked it

just feels kind of weird to randomly transfer a lvl after this long, and considering the supposed character of tygrysek i dont rlly know if its a great idea

4:16 AM

but if everyone agrees on it and the lvl is update locked then its probably fine

krmal deserves to have the level way more than tygrysek in my eyes

Chloe 🥀

just feels kind of weird to randomly transfer a lvl after this long, and considering the supposed character of tygrysek i dont rlly know if its a great idea

I agree yeah

Im personally indifferent about it

4:47 AM

If both sides agree for this then I see no problem tbh

as long as I keep my completion idrc

personally i dont really want to see the level moved after so long

DreamEater

He wasn't even the original host, that would be gmtsean. He just happened to be the original uploader because he was given "verification duty" after the level got dropped by Riot I think

With that info im even more against

Viprin

we won't move it if it's a joke. aside from that, this request is not similar to other ones we get which are often to move levels from an alt to your main and similar. this is about the actual host of a level getting their megacollab on their account when the verifier originally uploaded it. if both truly want it then i dont think rob would be opposed. lots of levels have been moved from verifiers

If that's the case I don't really mind that practice overall if all people agree then

if tygrysek is just a previous verifier then i don't see much point

Censored gmtsean's name but this should be definitive proof

yeah tygrysek never hosted

7:53 AM

considering how hes been in the past i think bro just wants clout

7:53 AM

He has changed quite a bit

7:54 AM

A lot of the polish community didnt like the guy for his past but now they all get along again

thats good at least

Kind of a miracle this happened lol but yea hes quite mature now

7:55 AM

Keep im mind hes like 25 now

cparc (only urgent report tags)

considering how hes been in the past i think bro just wants clout

100%

Now You See Me - 954342

levels with eyes in them

@mag make a spiral list bro

necter

@mag make a spiral list bro

there is a list that contains 15+ rated levels that use the spiral

9:01 AM

the catch? all uploaded by the same creator

9:02 AM

Geometry Dash levels are on a downward spiral

necter

@mag make a spiral list bro

I think the limitation of 100 levels withhold this idea anyway. more like last week’s rated spiral levels

Bros the biggest hater

i truly am

I remember tygresek being a bit of an asshole but that was a couple years back

We all have that memory

9:12 AM

Honestly I had no idea they were still around

DreamEater

Censored gmtsean's name but this should be definitive proof

Woah this is still up?? I tried finding evidence of Phobos beginning in a facebook group because I just find it so funny

9:38 AM

But I thought it was gone

9:38 AM

Even Restoration Union couldnt find that

Restoration Onion would gladly enjoy getting this kinda info

9:56 AM

Was this dealt with?

inf

Now You See Me - 954342

levels with eyes in them

I'm so fucking tempted to make a list called Now You Don't that's just a really fucking boring list of regular generic-looking levels that don't have eyes in them

Hado

I'm so fucking tempted to make a list called Now You Don't that's just a really fucking boring list of regular generic-looking levels that don't have eyes in them

please do please do please do please do please do

9:57 AM

it'd be so fucking funny if in a new list wave those lists were back to back

GD's Mouth Sounds / Mouth Silence

inf

it'd be so fucking funny if in a new list wave those lists were back to back

please robtob i need this, my level's kinda homeless

I need to finish my list I've been working on for the last few months on and off when I play through awarded

Vortrox

Woah this is still up?? I tried finding evidence of Phobos beginning in a facebook group because I just find it so funny

This is the older group, it's got some interesting backstory

10:08 AM

If you've ever heard of XeNone, this guy somehow got access to one of the admins' Facebook account and substantially privated the group effectively killing it, so a new one was created.

10:13 AM

Original group had 20K+ members but because of that a lot of people left and I assume a lot others have deleted their accounts over time so it now has 13K which is still insane for a group where no one can post anymore lol (edited)

10:15 AM

It just occurred to me that if RU can't find evidence of the original Phobos post, then the one I found might not be it either

126964736

11:36 AM

Im really extremely surprised how this got feature honestly ngl

11:36 AM

i rarely want to like go here and complain about stuff but the gameplay is so nonfunctional and REALLY not playable for the most part while also having a secret way that is blatantly obvious that leads u to like 80%

yea that level is super rough to play

11:46 AM

tbf nowadays getting a feature doesn’t mean much, the line between star rate and feature is almost non-existant nowadays

I think its quite the issue

11:47 AM

that almost once a week someone comes here complaining about some sort of level (edited)

I play the new rates everyday, I could complain everyday if I wanted to

11:48 AM

idk its bothering me that yeah its upto rob in the end but we for sure can bump up our standards to not send stuff that is this quality no?

11:49 AM

the general standard is send what we like but idk this is starting to become an issue to me

11:49 AM

the rating standards are a joke for lack of a better word

Devilmine

i rarely want to like go here and complain about stuff but the gameplay is so nonfunctional and REALLY not playable for the most part while also having a secret way that is blatantly obvious that leads u to like 80%

did I do it right?

like how are we just letting stuff like this get rated

genuinely think it’s insane we’re in a time where 40-second levels can get epic rates

40 second epics that are of similar quality to 60-65 second long feature levels

and sometimes worse

11:56 AM

Devilmine

126964736

I was seriously astonished at this like honestly

12:06 PM

0 hate to the people who sent it but i genuinely cant understand playing that and being okay with it and sending it :/

12:06 PM

also has a VERY obvious secret way at 30% that goes to 85%

12:06 PM

which i found on attempt 1

just played it

12:10 PM

the latter half stabilizes fine enough but the first half is really not good gameplay wise

yeah

12:13 PM

gdan is also not an excuse for bad gameplay cause its so easy to atleast make it passable

Also, not like its forbidden to bugfix/tweak the levels via an update after the deadline

12:14 PM

which was

12:14 PM

a while ago

RavingRafters

Also, not like its forbidden to bugfix/tweak the levels via an update after the deadline

yeah I literally did this for my one

Same here

Devilmine

126964736

dude i had my own lvl id copied and my pc didnt copy this id so i searched it and my own lvl popped up

1:24 PM

and for a moment i was like

1:24 PM

bro

1:24 PM

Wtf did i do to u (edited)

1:24 PM

cparc (only urgent report tags)

dude i had my own lvl id copied and my pc didnt copy this id so i searched it and my own lvl popped up

LOL

Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

Didn't one of these just get rated

6:38 PM

I could be wrong

oh yeah ur right

6:41 PM

i wonder how many levels in common they share cus this one has a lot more

6:42 PM

might delete this tho i dont like submitting lists that r similar to others

The Platformer Roomathon 925421 (edited)

Super helpful ^

11:56 PM

Meant to put that in here earlier.

Bert

The Platformer Roomathon 925421 (edited)

@Viprin time to moongrind

are the levels short

from what i see it seems most of them are

Feel like this list highlights a big part of why so many people were turned away from platformer

1:30 AM

Like, ain't no way these are all different platformers, all in like, the first 20 of the list

1:31 AM

Idk why so many room platformers do this either. There's always some random room(s) designed purely to waste time

theres little plat rates and a big chunk of them are room levels and its kinda

1:36 AM

like that one level that got rated a few days ago, it barely had any decoration and was like 15 rooms long

To finish this thought a little, since I got sidetracked, there's been so many room platformer rates, especially early on, and this was a very, very common thing they did, and I can see why it hurt some people's perception of platformers as a whole.

I just stopped sending room plats

1:49 AM

At least if they don't show something really interesting

https://youtu.be/uVntHf7sxck heya this rated level has a slur in it is it possible to update it

GD Archives

[4K 60fps] Saskatta by Ryan (3 Coins)

RavingRafters

Like, ain't no way these are all different platformers, all in like, the first 20 of the list

I agree with that, this list is useful to grind but shouldn't be rated imo

RavingRafters

Like, ain't no way these are all different platformers, all in like, the first 20 of the list

the collection

GiggsRH

Didn't one of these just get rated

I know Raivolt has one that got rated a while back but idk if any new ones have happened since then

Hado

I know Raivolt has one that got rated a while back but idk if any new ones have happened since then

there was one in the most recent list wave (when i posted it, we got new lists last night afterward)

5:48 AM

deleted cus not original enough

Ah word I didn’t know we got new ones last night I crashed as soon as I got home lmao

we randomly got Doggie Verifications which was quite funny

5:49 AM

still praying i’ll see one of my lists rated someday

sometimes i find some filler on trending

6:10 AM

shoutout to whoever suggested my list back in march btw (or earlier)

Bert

The Platformer Roomathon 925421 (edited)

best list i've seen yet

9:07 AM

hands down

9:07 AM

deserves to be first epic rated list

totally unbiased

opps will claim bias

im opps

9:13 AM

cabbit

9:13 AM

i was trying to type my youtube title

RavingRafters

Like, ain't no way these are all different platformers, all in like, the first 20 of the list

https://youtu.be/Hi5crPzYmP0?t=222

GD Colon

What NOT to put in your Platformer Level (Geometry Dash)

9:38 AM

this thing

most fun i've had with gd in a while beating these

to be honest it sounds funny because like how do so many people come to the conclusion "yes this is fun"

room plats are chill if u can turn off ur brain and get moons

1

9:51 AM

Viprin

most fun i've had with gd in a while beating these

now im interested

9:55 AM

as much as i love platformer i just really dislike the drawn out story platformers as much as i appreciate them

9:56 AM

its like playing tens and hundreds of mini-games that i am not invested in at all

Devilmine

to be honest it sounds funny because like how do so many people come to the conclusion "yes this is fun"

they dont!

10:00 AM

they come to the conclusion "yes this is easy to build and will get rated"

Room levels lowkey overhated

10:06 AM

Necessary part of the plat ecosystem

1

i guess they make the levels with a lot more effort put into them stand out

10:08 AM

but idk they got boring after a week of platformer for me

10:08 AM

so many cool ideas you can do with platformer and people stick to one working formula

Room plats are like the most basic a plat levels gp can be but that's not inherently a bad thing if they are well designed

they can be well made but if they're nothing but gameplay it gets very boring

10:14 AM

a few of them introduce a key gimmick or two which make them much more engaging

Colon

https://youtu.be/Hi5crPzYmP0?t=222

professionals call it 'the collection'

gecko

so many cool ideas you can do with platformer and people stick to one working formula

this kinda happens in classic too tbf

10:17 AM

select few styles, gameplay tropes...

i mean yea thats just half the awarded tab

10:18 AM

though while obviously subjective i'd argue that it's much easier for a classic level with generic tropes to be fun than a room platformer

10:19 AM

for a room based level to be fun it has to feel like it's worth my time and when they dont try anything interesting it often doesnt feel that way to me

10:19 AM

but with classic as long as the gameplay flows well & is playtested good & matches the song it's usually pretty fun

the bare minimum the room plats could do is to not do the filler squiggly mazes and unnecessary waiting/traversing that arent exciting at all

10:21 AM

the best kind of room plats is when they revolve around one singular gimmick (edited)

yea

doesnt even need to be anything insanely crazy or brand new

10:22 AM

heck, even the on/off buttons can play very good if done well

i will complete that entire list while watching video essays on the other monitor

10:23 AM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1223424817944989797/1442542700988727407/2025-11-24_10-48-42_out.mp4?ex=6925d015&is=69247e95&hm=03d9b79227ceb3c0c7223621a424ba9420e6b93605e179cc453f0728c77ae64c&

10:23 AM

anyways this morning i felt the urge to make a tanuki suit gimmick (edited)

lol this is cool

oh i'm cooked i already have 48

are these all ez levels to moon grind

10:49 AM

if so we beating them all DemonKey

connot

are these all ez levels to moon grind

yea

Halapeenyo

Room levels lowkey overhated

room platformers are fine because they're hard to fuck up

12:19 PM

it's the barebones minimum for plat gameplay and design most of the time (edited)

Colon

oh i'm cooked i already have 48

wild

Kinda crazy to see this in send tab because it just rips celeste visuals and mechanics for quite a sizeable amount basically 1:1 with no credits anywhere BESIDES the song being from it maybe, which isnt even a good way of crediting i think

2:52 PM

maybe its just me but with especially celeste its crazy how many ppl take "Inspiration" from it without any mention anywhere

2:52 PM

there was another level i commented on before where it was kinda similiar case even tho more visually distinct that is rated

i sent this, i knew the first half was inspired by celeste, but the second half looked kinda cool, i havent played celeste and not sure if thats also lifted from the game or not

2:58 PM

if it is ill lower my send from feature to star rate

kreno

i sent this, i knew the first half was inspired by celeste, but the second half looked kinda cool, i havent played celeste and not sure if thats also lifted from the game or not

second half isnt but first half is insanely ripped from it ngl

3:00 PM

its insane how many celeste clones in gd there are

3:00 PM

this is epic rated

is there a video of this level (edited)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwk7v_nf9N8

Clara Clarinha

[FULL SHOWCASE] "The Capital" by DilmaRousseff (me) [MARXIST-LENINI...

The Capital

dont even ask why thats the title i dont know

3:01 PM

3:02 PM

i think AT LEAST crediting the game in some way is like..

3:02 PM

good?

3:02 PM

i mean my first thought without really seeing the level is like why does it even matter that much

3:02 PM

i feel like yall are way too harsh on this sorta stuff

connot

i mean my first thought without really seeing the level is like why does it even matter that much

tbh i wouldnt necissarely mind it personally as much if it wasnt to this degree with no mention of the game rlly

idk i see this with a lot of you guys especially when it comes to "art tracing"

3:04 PM

its a bit annoying for me to see such outcry a lot of the time when something isnt 100% original

3:04 PM

i think for this level in particular its pretty inoffensively inspired

3:04 PM

i wouldnt want that to affect the rating

i didnt really pay attention that there wasnt any credit, i dont really mind that it references celeste like this, many levels do, but yeah id probably like to see some credit

3:05 PM

ill leave a comment

connot

its a bit annoying for me to see such outcry a lot of the time when something isnt 100% original

i feel like something not being original isnt necissarely a problem per say

3:06 PM

i personally just kinda believe that at least mentioning something like that as an inspiration for something when its referenced to such an degree would probably be pretty appropiate

3:06 PM

because it isnt necissarely being inspired there but rather just taking it pretty closely 1:1 in my eyes at least

but why should the lack of credit affect a rating when its merely inspired

connot

but why should the lack of credit affect a rating when its merely inspired

it isnt rlly inspired in this case tho

3:06 PM

i feel like with other examples sure

i mean admittedly im not too familiar with celeste

3:07 PM

but i suppose im using this lvl as an example for a trend im seeing with a lot of mods

i send two screenshots of both the game and the level back to back

Devilmine

Click to see attachment 🖼️

.

connot

but i suppose im using this lvl as an example for a trend im seeing with a lot of mods

honestly tho i get ur point with other stuff ngl

Devilmine

i send two screenshots of both the game and the level back to back

yeah, i saw them, and i still keep my opinion

fair enough

why for gd players only other platformer games that exist are mario and celeste

for other stuff i can see it way more tbh

3:08 PM

lose inspiration is like pretty chill usually and can be good

its a weird sentiment for creators to credit everything they make that isnt 100% original

3:08 PM

like why do i have to link a random pinterest drawing from an artist i dont even know

3:09 PM

why cant it be in the same nature as cutting out images from a magazine

3:09 PM

suppose i just dont like the climate and ive had the opinion for a while

3:10 PM

but was scared to say much cus of how ppl been mobbing others when it comes to a differing opinion

maybe im just too much of an originality person overall when it comes to stuff tbh

and again idk why like

3:10 PM

yall have a bias to my shit too lmao

i think its a bit different ripping off a known meme vs original art that not many ppl know about personally

admittedly I think ur stuff is a fair bit different for some parts while being similiar in that regard as well

idk why my levels are exempt from that critism to yall when someone tracing some dubstep gutter art from 2012 isnt

you also stylize it a lot more mostly

to me it shouldnt be different

3:11 PM

i mean i never traced anything either

3:11 PM

guess u could argue the stuff i put in my levels were already used in hundreds of memes w/o credit to begin with but like

3:12 PM

so has those other images just copy pasted in other media

that would not make a great argument eitherway

3:12 PM

yeah

all im saying is why should it matter so much when its put in a new creative context

3:12 PM

i dont think it should affect the rating

3:12 PM

even in this example u just sent

3:13 PM

like idk they sorta copied the structuring and the colors

yeah i was too harsh honestly

i wouldnt go as far to say 1:1

they also copied some game mechanics too with wall bouncing and, blocks, spikes and a bit more tbh

it does make it less cool that its very similar but i wouldnt not send cus of that

just to clarify for context

3:13 PM

that said tho

3:14 PM

definitely was maybe a bit too harsh

connot

all im saying is why should it matter so much when its put in a new creative context

tbh for me it really depends on how the context is done cuz i feel like translating another platformer into gd is a bit more lame then if u were to creatively implement it in a different ""medium"" sorta

yeah i mean i guess this level also isnt the greatest example of the point im trying to make with it

yee true

3:16 PM

u mentioned more generally

3:16 PM

which yeah honestly super differs on context (edited)

the general line of whats copying, stealing or tracing is very blurry

but still i dont think that you should be changing your send based off of it

the opinion would change pretty much from person to person

connot

but still i dont think that you should be changing your send based off of it

I feel ultimately this does more come down to the individual tbh

3:18 PM

but no one should HAVE to

3:19 PM

if someones opinion changes on it as a result of it on a personal basis then its probably okay i think

yea

necter

the opinion would change pretty much from person to person

i think its pretty easy to tell what a creative context is and isnt

kinda just wanted to make awareness of it but i worded it extremely terrible and way too aggressively lowkey

3:19 PM

if its literally a 1:1 game copy like that fnaf level then yeah i prob wouldnt be inclined to send

connot

but why should the lack of credit affect a rating when its merely inspired

tbf i feel it affects the rating for me at least in the sense that it loses originality points

Devilmine

kinda just wanted to make awareness of it but i worded it extremely terrible and way too aggressively lowkey

thats definitely on me tho

3:20 PM

but generally as u said before has been a bit of an issue too

like on its own it may look pretty enough for me to say epic for it but if it rips most from celeste it just isnt really doing anything new and may just be star rate

lowkey random question connot

i think its an issue generally speaking

it all really depends on how you view these things. some people are fine with it, some are not. raising awareness is definitely a good thing to do in such cases but ultimately its up to the person to give their verdict if they like what was done

what do u think of the stuff that happened with tears of denial

3:20 PM

just actual curiosity

i feel like i had a different opinion at the time of the derate

3:21 PM

but idk if it was mythic now i wouldnt care

3:21 PM

honestly

valid asf

3:21 PM

tbh

i think its kinda lame and i wouldnt send for mythic just based off of raw mechanics and visuals

3:22 PM

lame that its nearly 1:1 that is

3:22 PM

but i wouldnt call for it to be unrated or anything

3:22 PM

which using some logic i see here on other random classic levels, some of yall would have to call for that level to be unrated

lowkey i feel like some of this thinking in general and also general sentiment comes from GD transitioning more into an art medium since the beginning of 2.2 and the climate in that regard changing in some context too than before in the latter stages of 2.1

3:23 PM

ngl

3:23 PM

at least id assume so to a certain degree

gd has a lot of unique community sentiments when it comes to how to play and how to create

3:24 PM

idk what even created these precedents to begin with

3:24 PM

i think its mostly pointless

connot

i think its mostly pointless

just to clarify, u mean the general strictness/stance held here on originality sorta

3:24 PM

right

in that context and my more general statement yes

hm

3:25 PM

honestly can see it and think its fair to hold considering everything

if im gonna go wild on hot takes too i feel like the typical originality sentiment i see is also from mods not even rly judging levels well to begin with

connot

if im gonna go wild on hot takes too i feel like the typical originality sentiment i see is also from mods not even rly judging levels well to begin with

can u elaborate, curious about that

3:27 PM

i think i can see what u mean

3:27 PM

but just want to hear cuz its interesting

yeah like

3:28 PM

all the public feedback i see from yall is so surface level and i dont think even helps creators that much

3:28 PM

"colors could be better"

3:28 PM

"gameplay wasnt good"

3:29 PM

i mean myself included, not all of yall would wanna get into a deep convo abt a level

3:29 PM

especially to a creator who may not care except if their level isnt sent

3:30 PM

but im merely just noticing trends

3:30 PM

"add more air deco" "get better at colors" are terrible pieces of feedback imo

3:30 PM

and its like the only thing yall even say to creators

okay but lowkey i ultra agree

3:30 PM

even tho i do it myself too

3:31 PM

comments offer so little possibility in most cases but generally feedback should be more oriented in a way that actually can help a creator

3:31 PM

beyond just pointing out "oh yeah this could be better"

3:31 PM

maybe pitching an idea while understanding what the creator goes for

again u dont have to like

3:32 PM

go in depth towards anything

3:32 PM

its just a bit concerning when thats all many mods ever say about any level (edited)

î mean admittedly its as u said only the public side

i dont know if this is more about streams or comments but a lot of the feedback for creators is usually the same because everyone usually messes up the same things

a lot of people are only requesting levels to get sends and have no desire to improve, this kinda makes me less inclined to give more in-depth feedback

there are some issues that are just super common

Devilmine

î mean admittedly its as u said only the public side

at least for me personally i know i give feedback in dms differently and pretty exhaustively

3:33 PM

with reasoning and everything that makes more sense than just surface level stuff

like backwards parallax, basic color theory, depth issues

cant speak for others obviously

sometimes the best feedback is a simple one line sentence

3:33 PM

because i think even fixing parallax or colors can completely change a level

yeah youre right and it can

3:34 PM

but i dont think im confusing my point with creators making the same mistakes

ohhh i think i get what you mean mb

3:34 PM

i think that any feedback should tell the creator exactly what they did wrong ye

3:34 PM

just saying 'colors bad' or 'gameplay bad' is not helpful

the issue with that tho is that some things arent necissarely even wrong

issue with doing more in depth feedback in gd comments is the small character limit, personally i dont want to spam multiple comments on a lvl so i try to do my "what i liked, what i didnt like, a recommendation(s)" very concisely within the limit

i will say i am speaking VERY generally with all of this tho and im not singling out anyone

ye for sure

absolutely ye

i think if rob increased character limit for mods more would be motivated to give detailed feedback in comments

almost every mod does this tbh

i think if mods could make longer comments it would be so much better

i honestly was on that boat too but i just think comments are a bad place for it

3:35 PM

and u shouldnt give so long feedback there

3:35 PM

ngl

3:35 PM

at least nowadays

currently i just use the text limit bypass in megahack cus it allows you to go about 40 characters over the limit before the comment gets cut off

comments being short and sweet are fine i dont ever extensively say things in comments (edited)

and it barely does the job most times

3:36 PM

i work way better with feedback in dms or on stream

like i read yalls reviews too

way easier to exemplify what i mean

also talking abt that

and how to fix stuff

3:37 PM

especially with stuff like wrong parallax

3:37 PM

so clutch that i can just show stream how to make it correct

3:37 PM

bit tough in comments yeah

admittedly something like wrong parralax will not help ppl improve as much as giving actual useful advice tho

3:37 PM

like yeah its an issue

3:37 PM

but fixing that alone wont make ur level or your visions better

well if its the only "flaw" i notice in the level im going to point it out lol

Devilmine

admittedly something like wrong parralax will not help ppl improve as much as giving actual useful advice tho

lowk it sometimes does

cparc (only urgent report tags)

bit tough in comments yeah

when it comes to random creator tips i been thinking of pump and dumping yt shorts for things like that lmao

+ this ye

ive thought about making a tutorial i could reference people to

dude same

3:38 PM

i never got around to it tho

connot

when it comes to random creator tips i been thinking of pump and dumping yt shorts for things like that lmao

lowkey u should

3:38 PM

sounds peak

i like making long-form tutorials tho

i want to get into long form creating vids tho with stuff like creating tips and whatnot

feel like u have a lot of valuable insight on it

i think it could be super cool

considering ur expertise

ive had good feedback on my keyframe tutorial

i got some tech i could share

3:39 PM

that doesnt need to be in a long form vid

lowk would be super helpful

just dont want my channel to be too convoluted cus its rly just showcases of my levels

3:39 PM

which is why i been hesitating

3:39 PM

could make a second channel or just one big video for it

but if its only shorts its separated from that mostly

shorts probably wouldnt be an issue in that case

3:39 PM

ye

3:39 PM

shorts is like a whole different system

ye

me when my only short is "BUSSIN but faster"

anything is better than GDSkele shorts

3:40 PM

dw

i almost uploaded my tiktoks on there but im like nah ima make that its own thing

connot

i almost uploaded my tiktoks on there but im like nah ima make that its own thing

bro ur goated at tiktoks btw

dude ur tiktoks are funny as hell and peak

3:40 PM

i agree

3:40 PM

no theyre horrible and i should die

oh ok true

but i need to make another its been almost 2 months

but they are horrible in a good way

actually do wonder tho what u would classify as more indepth feedback personally

3:42 PM

or rather like useful feedback in that regard

i suppose depth probably isnt the best metric to measure

3:42 PM

but moreso usefulness ye

yee

espeically the type feedback where something "needs more air deco" or "needs more color" are so exhausted

3:43 PM

we need more useful things like

i usually tend to give better feedback when playtesting or someone asks me directly on discord. its kinda hard for me to do more elaborate review of a level when streaming so i try to compress my thoughts there, especially considering i do these without a mic

"the structure types are awkward for the gamemode"

3:43 PM

idk

3:43 PM

i said this on a level the other day

3:44 PM

random example

connot

but moreso usefulness ye

i agree 100%

tbf admittedly as well

3:45 PM

telling someone "needs more air deco" and "needs more color" is pretty not useful

3:45 PM

by itself too

i do think the feedback needs to be kept simple to an extent because the average creator is like 12

and yeah the comment section is very limiting when trying to give feedback, heck, even GD dms too

because like the creator doesnt know even how it would be done

3:45 PM

like giving examples is so important for that stuff too

Devilmine

telling someone "needs more air deco" and "needs more color" is pretty not useful

i think at this point this is less of a help but your own opinion

in the example u gave "structure types are awkward for the gamemode" u gave a pretty conclusive example

Devilmine

like giving examples is so important for that stuff too

in contexts where feedback is expected is where u can actually say stuff like that

3:46 PM

like streams or feedback/review channels

i do feel like we should be able to say our own opinions on levels without giving feedback tho

i dont want my point to be confused with asking every mod to write an essay for every level they ever see in the level comments

3:47 PM

i wanna encourage actual critical thought

yea once you go through a certain character threshold people just wont read it anyway

necter

i do feel like we should be able to say our own opinions on levels without giving feedback tho

ye as long as its not outright disrespectful

3:47 PM

a handful of comments i have on levels just straight up call them annoying lmfao

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3:48 PM

another pet peeve i have in that regard is also sometimes feedback being like "oh yeah just do something else at all"

a lot of my older extreme completions on levels i didnt like werent great

i try not to phrase it in a hateful way tho obv

connot

a handful of comments i have on levels just straight up call them annoying lmfao

i lowkey just dont bother commenting if a level pisses me off

3:48 PM

i leave it to my friends to be bothered with easy

if its particularly bad ill make a comment

3:49 PM

but usually its not needed cus most of the other comments echo whatever i would say lol

I remember discovering a level that had so many issues that even the GD dms werent enough

3:50 PM

And I told the creator to give me their contact

3:50 PM

And we exchanged lots of twitter dms out of all places lmao

ive done this on many occasions

connot

i wanna encourage actual critical thought

could u maybe give 1-2 random examples to this

3:51 PM

just want to make sure i understand what u mean properly cuz im bit unsure

would be hard without singling anyone out and id rather not embarrass people

nono i meant rather like

3:52 PM

actually an example of it being done in ur context

Devilmine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwk7v_nf9N8

tf is the song lmao

in comparison

3:52 PM

not just taking an example of what someone said

3:52 PM

mb

oh sure i could find

id volunteer but im checking my comments right now and i cant even pinpoint an example

3:52 PM

nvm

if i have a problem with a level and i go to the comments and see 50 people saying the same thing i will just. not comment

what does that even mean

3:53 PM

idk put it in the oven

its undercooked

3:53 PM

its raw

3:53 PM

not cooked enough

i will say i never put much feedback in comments cus i think its too few characters

its not very helpful but i get what bro means

99% of the levels i see are on stream anyways tho

necter

nvm

i think they are moreso just making a comparison of the level's gp vs the level's deco here

its a chloe level so who cares anyway...

tri

i think they are moreso just making a comparison of the level's gp vs the level's deco here

yea, pretty much

3:54 PM

sometimes you just gotta say whats on your mind

sometimes (if its a nexter level) you just gotta be super nice because they are awesome (edited)

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if i was asked personally id definitely give more details what i mean. sometimes i receive dms like that and i always respond what was the thought behind that

i cant really find comments where ive given criticism cus most of that happens within my request server Skull

3:58 PM

need to preach the truth my friend

dude what the fuck

i try to give (at the very least) one good piece of feedback for a creator to improve with because i dont spend much time on any given level cus theres so many (edited)

4:03 PM

my philosophy is that maybe that piece of feedback is something to fix so the next time they request a level to a mod it might get bumped up a rating

4:03 PM

idk

Devilmine

in comparison

wont claim these are like medal deserving pieces of feedback think these are decent examples of what i mean

these are definitely more encompassing pieces of feedback

4:05 PM

which is good

connot

wont claim these are like medal deserving pieces of feedback think these are decent examples of what i mean

Gotcha, see what u mean

4:06 PM

more sure now and honestly very good to mention too

4:06 PM

thanks for sharing

i almost never comment on levels but thats cause i tend to only apply feedback to levels i dont send, or if im on stream ill just tell them some foundational advice

4:17 PM

extremely anti 'needs polishing' though, i dislike that form of criticism because its too generalising

for sure

theres enough polish people in this game anyway

aight

necter

theres enough polish people in this game anyway

Joris

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Joris

extremely anti 'needs polishing' though, i dislike that form of criticism because its too generalising

polishing is also hard to just nail down to what it means

4:26 PM

it can differ quite a lot as well on what needs "polishing" and stuff

Joris

extremely anti 'needs polishing' though, i dislike that form of criticism because its too generalising

I'll use this at the end of a review after an "Overall"

Generally the level was nice, but some parts need more polishing. It was good though. But some stuff wasn't

Devilmine

it can differ quite a lot as well on what needs "polishing" and stuff

for sure, a lot of the time i believe people tend to mean things like, colours complementing eachother and not clashing as hard eg; complementary colours or warm/cold colour work. and like sharp movements being turned into something smoother, perhaps with the accompanying of an animation or pulse to make it blend better. i feel like the term 'polishing' is just an ultra umbrella term, covers like a million different bases

necter

Generally the level was nice, but some parts need more polishing. It was good though. But some stuff wasn't

this level was good, i like the way it plays and it also has good decoration too because it looks clean, needs more polishing because its not so polished in some areas, gg polish

saying 'needs polishing' i think is an easy thing to fix because it usually boils down to bad layering (edited)

3

4:29 PM

like 90% of the time when i theoretically would say something should be polished theres 7 layers alpha'd at 50 percent (edited)

4:30 PM

so it looks messy

necter

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yeah thats fair, i just perceive it as many areas not being tuned enough

does anyone know why a level doesn't recognise it's 2p on mobile?

5:58 PM

just found an interesting case where 2p controls work fine on a level on PC but they don't work at all on mobile

5:58 PM

like there's no 2p controls

6:04 PM

kinda crazy lowkey

geometry dash

DAMN

necter

just found an interesting case where 2p controls work fine on a level on PC but they don't work at all on mobile

Touch trigger

Colon

Touch trigger

Huuuh?

8:41 PM

Can a touch trigger disable even the 2p buttons themselves?

8:43 PM

As in, in this screenshot there should be two sets of platformer buttons to move

8:43 PM

But for some reason there's only one on mobile, while PC works just fine

You can detect 2P inputs using a touch trigger

8:46 PM

Without that level actually being 2P

Colon

Without that level actually being 2P

The level is set to 2P tho nails

then i dunno

Yea seems like there is a touch trigger that has a 2p only activation

8:52 PM

But the level itself is turned on to have 2p

8:53 PM

Either the level got bugged on upload or it's an obscure mobile bug of sorts lol

Got contacted by the sister of now passed away TheXXVII, really heartwarming message. I would be really keen to help out this level because it is genuinely a really cool piece, but from what I've seen it has a secret way... Maybe it's a long shot but it would be nice to see this get fixed by a community update of sorts and published so it could get potentially rated

necter

Got contacted by the sister of now passed away TheXXVII, really heartwarming message. I would be really keen to help out this level because it is genuinely a really cool piece, but from what I've seen it has a secret way... Maybe it's a long shot but it would be nice to see this get fixed by a community update of sorts and published so it could get potentially rated

doesn't the sister have access to the account? could probably fix it on their end

Hm, could ask. Not sure how much she's experienced with the editor though

could definitely give her a copy of the level with the secret way fixed and tell her how to update it

That is not a bad idea actually

though it seems she was the one who uploaded "Depths"

8:12 AM

so probably knows the basics

Asked her about it

8:14 AM

Will let know

Okay, level has been fixed

12:38 PM

Now it should be secret way-proof

12:39 PM

So if anyone wants to help out feel free

https://youtu.be/XNytHFo8PHQ?si=hjfVqh8jMNYtJBA6 just heard that this was likely cbf verified (clicks per second increment by 2 and the watermark at the end)

Kakan_GD

[Verification] POURING by KadziGD // Extreme Demon

Junkrat³

https://youtu.be/XNytHFo8PHQ?si=hjfVqh8jMNYtJBA6 just heard that this was likely cbf verified (clicks per second increment by 2 and the watermark at the end)

Should prolly dm rob

i cannot wait for the day this is no longer an issue

8:31 PM

this stuff is such a headache

Yeah

8:32 PM

8:33 PM

Admittedly would prefer if cbf verifications dont even get unrated atp

me too

wouldn't be the first time atp anyways

but at that point there would be no reason to not rate other cbf verifications

Devilmine

Admittedly would prefer if cbf verifications dont even get unrated atp

Yk i was admittedly against unrating the savannah citadel when it did

which i am also not against to be fair

8:34 PM

but rob seems to be for now

And some of the other cbf verifs too

Junkrat³

Yk i was admittedly against unrating the savannah citadel when it did

i think if rob’s main concern is levels being impossible without cbf then non-cbf victors are more than enough to rate the level

8:34 PM

but he might care more for the precedent its hard to say

Devilmine

Should prolly dm rob

Pls go ahead cuz rob's been highkey unresponsive to me for a whole year by now

8:35 PM

i highly doubt we’ll ever see a cbf-only level

Ye thinking the same (edited)

Junkrat³

Pls go ahead cuz rob's been highkey unresponsive to me for a whole year by now

8:36 PM

Can try

i think theres a solid chance grief will just straight up be rated when its verified

if rob’s adding cbf eventually anyway it makes waiting to rate the verifications that use it seem pointless to me

8:36 PM

always has

Chloe 🥀

i think theres a solid chance grief will just straight up be rated when its verified

i think this too yea

I think its very unlikely it will be rated

but realistically if thats the catalyst for cbf rates then they should just start happening now rather than when all the eyes are on us / rob to make a statement on grief

8:37 PM

community will not be very patient with that i am sure

8:38 PM

idk tho ive always been of the opinion that cbf rates wouldnt do any harm when they affect such a tiny portion of the playerbase anyway

I mean ultimately this is not up to us anyways and if anything on Rob in the end

yea

8:39 PM

i’m honestly just most tired of cbf blockers

8:39 PM

i think they’re super lame but it makes perfect sense why they’re becoming popular

but icl to a certain degree i feel like CBF is a severely less offensive 2.1 FPS Bypass to begin with but at the same time 2.1 was so messy i get that

8:40 PM

gecko

i think they’re super lame but it makes perfect sense why they’re becoming popular

Admittedly the popularity of it comes due to third parties having different rulesets while entirely relying on the more strict one basically

8:40 PM

Which makes verifying levels, which already was an insane handicap by itself even more unfair in that context

yea it would literally not exist as a concept used in rated levels if cbf was not treated as taboo for so long

So not surprised that 3/5 levels in the top 5 have cbf blockers

8:41 PM

iirc

gecko

yea it would literally not exist as a concept used in rated levels if cbf was not treated as taboo for so long

That argument can be taken both sides tbf

Devilmine

So not surprised that 3/5 levels in the top 5 have cbf blockers

i think 4/5 if u count amethyst

8:42 PM

though players r allowed to remove that one

8:42 PM

cus wasnt verified with it but added in post

8:42 PM

only one without is tidal wave

Does flamewall have one??

yea

I lowkey wasn't aware

fairly certain anyway

8:43 PM

p sure i heard about it

8:43 PM

it sucks cus cbf is a fantastic tool for the players and they just . Can’t use it on the hardest levels in the game lol

8:44 PM

really hope rob says smth about what he plans for cbf sometime soon (maybe when update for rgc comes out)

Devilmine

but icl to a certain degree i feel like CBF is a severely less offensive 2.1 FPS Bypass to begin with but at the same time 2.1 was so messy i get that

in 2.1 I could at least understand the "level the playing field" mindset

8:44 PM

CBF is just actively cheating and gaining a competitive advantage that nobody else can get without modding the game

8:44 PM

Tony

CBF is just actively cheating and gaining a competitive advantage that nobody else can get without modding the game

Definitely more different for sure in the purity context for GD I agree

tbf I was a staunch FPS bypass hater

Wonder what u would think of Click on Steps and/or specifically tps bypass in 2.1

I disliked anything that modified the game to make it easier in any capacity

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8:46 PM

and still do tbf

Fair

8:46 PM

CoS doesn't rlly do that but i assume thats just moreso u generally saying ur stance

Idk what it is

8:47 PM

I've never been privy to mods tbh

cbf but 240fps

Basically imagine playing 60 fps but u have 240 fps input accuracy

essentially just means you can click through frame drops

8:47 PM

and what devil said yea

Devilmine

Basically imagine playing 60 fps but u have 240 fps input accuracy

cheating if the game can't do that normally but also

Vanilla max accuracy without running may fps needed for it

that's what I thought 2.2 was supposed to be anyways

8:47 PM

Fair

2.2 is still frame dependent

unfortunately that's the way it is then

240+ is all normalised but below that works as it used to

8:48 PM

well stuff like slopes are more consistent

8:48 PM

but input delay is unchanged

Junkrat³

Pls go ahead cuz rob's been highkey unresponsive to me for a whole year by now

Btw I dmed rob just FYI and for the record

8:49 PM

hopefully handled soon

8:49 PM

might be sleeping now cuz its 4 am there

8:49 PM

But its rob

8:49 PM

Soooooooo

8:49 PM

i think cbf is quite undeniably healty for the game in the long run but very fair to currently consider it cheating

Tony

that's what I thought 2.2 was supposed to be anyways

To be fair im ultimately just glad that we dont have to deal with fuck ass random fps bugs anymore

8:50 PM

Best thing to ever happen

8:50 PM

The game plays great for me

8:50 PM

I have a 240hz monitor

i think supporting its development & pushing for it to be in the base game is a pretty good idea tho

and play the game at 240fps

8:50 PM

LOL

It plays flawlessly overall

8:50 PM

no bugs at all anymore in new levels and its lit

gecko

i think supporting its development & pushing for it to be in the base game is a pretty good idea tho

I mean its already done so as much as possible

8:50 PM

To the point rob is planning or wanting to attempt adding it

8:51 PM

not much more to do for us at this point

yea i just wanna see less super anti-cbf views and encourage more “not legit but great mod” type of thing

I mean honestly i saw like

if that makes sense

Everyone say that basically

8:52 PM

On paper good and super great addition, overall improvement

8:52 PM

Just in the current state not legit

8:52 PM

Because of the lack of official implementation

i definitely still see pockets of ppl disgusted at the idea but it is less common now for sure

8:54 PM

also does rob still rerate unrated cbf verifications once they’re verified without it

gecko

i definitely still see pockets of ppl disgusted at the idea but it is less common now for sure

especially coming from people who dont understand how it works or why people want it and couldnt be bothered to try to understand others perspectives on it

8:54 PM

Hychie

especially coming from people who dont understand how it works or why people want it and couldnt be bothered to try to understand others perspectives on it

u get it

8:54 PM

its exclusively that its kinda crazy

8:54 PM

though never hurts to educate ppl on it

Hychie

especially coming from people who dont understand how it works or why people want it and couldnt be bothered to try to understand others perspectives on it

Yeah thats prolly a bigger issue to a certain degree

doggie’s video from super early 2.2 is still a great resource

i used to only be around people who were creators in the game and was very indifferent towards a lot of player related issues, but once i started becoming closer friends with people more focused on playing harder levels i started understanding their perspective more

that is awesome ya it was quite surprising how hostile people were towards the mod at first as someone who’s always been around players

8:57 PM

i am very glad it’s easing up

To be completely fair I think its a fairly valid point to hold that it just could cause issues in a similar vein as to how messy things were in 2.1 especially with it definitely having some physics impacts on a smaller hand of levels

valid point but ppl did not like expressing it nicely

But I do think saying its terrible or blanket cheating is a little bit of a misunderstanding of what functionality it actually brings and how much it affects stuff

it was never “would be good without these bugs” or anything (edited)

9:01 PM

was kinda crazy it did create a bit of a split between the 2 sides for a lot of early 2.2

9:01 PM

now the only real issue remaining are the blockers

gecko

now the only real issue remaining are the blockers

I think arguably the bigger issue of the blockers is moreso levels being ineligible for a rate

9:02 PM

Because blockers by itself were always basically fine to some degree

9:02 PM

Used to have fps blockers in some levels too before

yea true

Blocking something like that isn't necessarily an issue as its at the creators and verifiers decision to implement

9:03 PM

even tho that decision is indirectly affected by cbf verifications not being rated the primary issue still lays in the players/creators hand

9:03 PM

Or rather somewhat community

gecko

yea i just wanna see less super anti-cbf views and encourage more “not legit but great mod” type of thing

I do think these stem from how heavy handed most people are with cbf support

9:04 PM

people actively encourage using it in spite of it being cheating and argue that it isn't cheating

9:04 PM

which in turn creates a very strong negative sentiment against it

Tony

people actively encourage using it in spite of it being cheating and argue that it isn't cheating

It isn't necessarily as black and white as it, even though on paper it very much is I feel like in general its more nuanced than that

9:06 PM

Even tho I do agree to an extend

9:06 PM

By definition it is a cheat

I mean im not trying to imply people are either in one camp or the other

Tony

people actively encourage using it in spite of it being cheating and argue that it isn't cheating

i guess i can see that partially though coming from the player side it was actually surprising to see it so harshly treated, pointercrate has essentially ran the game’s rules for the past 7 years leading up to 2.2

but the existence of one side basically necessitates the other

you can imagine how surprising it was to have that suddenly taken away

Tony

but the existence of one side basically necessitates the other

ye true

gecko

i guess i can see that partially though coming from the player side it was actually surprising to see it so harshly treated, pointercrate has essentially ran the game’s rules for the past 7 years leading up to 2.2

running their own rules in the absence of official ones is not the same as setting the rules for the game

9:07 PM

it obviously did have a strong community wide impact because of that

Tony

running their own rules in the absence of official ones is not the same as setting the rules for the game

i mean the leaderboards pretty much adopted everything they allowed so i don’t think saying that they ran the game is too far-fetched

but it's not like demon list rules were enforced outside of the demon list pre-2.2

9:08 PM

I think they adopted similar rules out of sensibility rather than direct influence

9:08 PM

all i’m saying is that pointercrate used to be viewed as “if you’re legit on pointercrate you are not cheating” and cbf was the first time in 8 years that was no longer true

right yeah

I think a good example is the FPS rule actually considering u were allowed to play on any real fps even beyond the at the time highest cap being 360 according to Pointercrate

Yeah I mean in the absence of a real leaderboard or real punishment

9:10 PM

official rules basically didn't matter

Cant matter if they didn't exist

how do list demon whitelists even work today?

9:10 PM

back when i got whitelisted you just needed a pointercrate record

gecko

back when i got whitelisted you just needed a pointercrate record

Need a video of you completing a whitelisted demon basically as proof

interesting

9:12 PM

very curious what kind of hack detection the lb team have

9:12 PM

considering pointercrate has been constantly improving that for years now i just wonder if the lb team’s holds up

Junkrat³

https://youtu.be/XNytHFo8PHQ?si=hjfVqh8jMNYtJBA6 just heard that this was likely cbf verified (clicks per second increment by 2 and the watermark at the end)

it was brought up earlier and robtop was dmed

1:42 AM

:P

oh I'm dumb

https://fixupx.com/ExtremelyFunGD/status/1993700843124887614?t=OYY9unDuQLSueRXb0U8GZQ&s=19

Extremely Fun GD Levels (@ExtremelyFunGD)

We just reached 100 levels posted on this account, and we've compiled them all on a list for you to enjoy! ︀︀ ︀︀ID: 957502 4 3 ❤️ 39 ️ 687

9:54 AM

cool list probably

i dont see tigers den, therefore the list is wrong

10:06 AM

Devilmine

Can try

might be cooked lowkey

11:52 AM

11:54 AM

Also just double checked leaderboard and its also victorless cuz the only person just hacked it lol

Devilmine

Also just double checked leaderboard and its also victorless cuz the only person just hacked it lol

u gotta step in

12:05 PM

beat it urself

Someone else prolly has to ask OR rob just doesn't care possibly

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7:24 PM

shrug

Devilmine

Also just double checked leaderboard and its also victorless cuz the only person just hacked it lol

How hard is it

5:30 AM

Seems to be borderline insane demon so

5:31 AM

If noone beats it in the next 2 days I will

Whizkid05

How hard is it

not extreme imo

5:35 AM

tried it a bit

5:35 AM

its even insane demon rn

Whizkid05

How hard is it

There is genuinely no opinions rn and apparently there is just an insanely hard wave part somewhere that carries a lot of difficulty

Devilmine

There is genuinely no opinions rn and apparently there is just an insanely hard wave part somewhere that carries a lot of difficulty

honestly not rlly its like a bit harder than the rest

6:01 AM

i played it a bit it could be a beginner extreme at best

Im just going off what I heard rlly

yea fair

Might play in a bit and see

good morning

Whizkid05

How hard is it

played a little bit and its probably beginner/easy tier on the nlw

6:35 AM

maybe even high end insane rlly

6:36 AM

but rather the former from what i can tell

Devilmine

Someone else prolly has to ask OR rob just doesn't care possibly

nvm he Unrated

lately I've been grinding tons and tons of forgotten early 2.2 unrated demons so I decided to throw them all in a playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY6hiAQ1miBWiHqXfsNMor4DVmg2UcdZG

Early 2.2 Unrated Demons

All the early 2.2 unrated demons I have beat in order of ID with a cut-off of 105000000

1:27 PM

almost 100 demons from the first 6 or so months of 2.2 (edited)

Hexagon

lately I've been grinding tons and tons of forgotten early 2.2 unrated demons so I decided to throw them all in a playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY6hiAQ1miBWiHqXfsNMor4DVmg2UcdZG

yo?

1:28 PM

if u had to select like your 3 favs from it

1:28 PM

what would they be

1:28 PM

might peep some

1:28 PM

oooh

1:29 PM

the sun came forth, eternal w, binary mood (also silver strobe) (edited)

1:29 PM

with honorable mentions to spheres, eruption, glass, monolith and spinnentanz (edited)

the sun came forth is peak

yeah that's my absolute fav of this timespan for unrateds

1:31 PM

at least ever since calculations got rated not too long ago

Hexagon

lately I've been grinding tons and tons of forgotten early 2.2 unrated demons so I decided to throw them all in a playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY6hiAQ1miBWiHqXfsNMor4DVmg2UcdZG

oh I also want to mention jenny (dragnalus) found a solid portion of these

1:35 PM

she's a lot better at finding unrated demons than I am and a lot more consistently active with it as well

Hexagon

the sun came forth, eternal w, binary mood (also silver strobe) (edited)

send a few of those

1:40 PM

really cool and unique

1:40 PM

you're awesome

ive wanted to spend some time to go through all of the forgotten unrated demons

1:50 PM

ive noticed at the very least a ton of demons that i think could be feature that arent but

1:50 PM

idk it would be cool to rank them

Devilmine

nvm he Unrated

I got that dawg in me

Ryder

I got that dawg in me

That's why ur the goat

2:19 PM

I played that level before it got rated and didn't know what to think about it (so I didn't send but I wanted to talk about it here but I forgot), and it just got rated

2:42 PM

is it just me or is it really quite inappropriate for the game especially for a featured level?

2:42 PM

Cuz now, even players with parental control will be able to play it

if i may ask what is necessarily the issue with the level (i havent looked at it)

2:48 PM

just want context

its the song i guess

2:50 PM

oh i see

2:50 PM

not only song (edited)

@AgCilver🥀 @CazVixX 🥀

rob seem to not care about drugs in levels, at least for minor cases

2:52 PM

but this one is def worse

I feel like if Rob was OK with level names such as "Haha cocaine go brr" in the past, this one probably isn't that much worse

3:04 PM

But it's really a grey zone for me

3:05 PM

I was on the fence about sending this and decided to go for it because of what i mentioned earlier though

Hexagon

the sun came forth, eternal w, binary mood (also silver strobe) (edited)

the sun came forth is fantastic

3:08 PM

i gotta check out these others sometime

https://youtu.be/3gPJuz44YZc?si=70Rl3Y781ONue771 im assuming most of yall arent a fan of tidal wave but i kind of dig this level a lot its really nice

ploggiX

[VERIFIED?] Low Tide 100% by HoumaidGd & Onilink

10:18 PM

the gameplay is also like S tier its so fun

This is lit

10:28 PM

I feel like it’s not that people here aren’t fans of tidal wave but more so the community backlash

honestly dunno I just feel like mostt people i interact with arent a fan of tidal wave

10:30 PM

especially established creators who generally prefer cleaner stuff

10:30 PM

this type of deco is always really meaningful and interesting to me though

10:30 PM

so this & tidal wave are peak imo

Chloe 🥀

honestly dunno I just feel like mostt people i interact with arent a fan of tidal wave

Maybe idk

10:31 PM

Ig I don’t pay a ton of attention to it

yeah fair

I think it’s like such an old magic section type banger where it’s lit and clearly has love but just isn’t executed well enough lmaooo

10:32 PM

But this sequel is sick

Honestly, I feel like this is a step in the right direction from a visual standpoint in my opinion. There's definitely less of a clash between the background and foreground. It's also just less static in the background in several spots. Still not my cup of tea, but I vibe with this a lot more.

They stepped up

basically yeah

10:32 PM

this is not onilinks deco BTW its fanmade

I c

but it does a great job of recreating the unpolished look of tidal wave

I’m indifferent to tidal wave

I wish the song was as hype as the original

10:32 PM

That fucking song carried the level so hard

10:32 PM

It is peak

song is great ya

I think this level is an improvement in some areas though which is cool to see

10:33 PM

OniLink gets wayyyy too much hate

I know this is a nong so i really hope theres a good replacement cause id love for this to have a chance to get rated

Hating on someone for not being an experienced creator is wild

(edited)

gameplay in it is soooo good

Halapeenyo

Hating on someone for not being an experienced creator is wild

(edited)

yeah twitter people are kind of weird for that lmao

I still dislike that the beginning is as fast as it is for how slow and calm the song is. Mismatching speeds just always bother me.

Not really a fan of that first part tho

10:36 PM

Could just be personal taste but I’m not big on the green and purple

just checked the lvl and the nong is good but theres a % bug

10:36 PM

will ask them to fix then its good

Pauze

I feel like it’s not that people here aren’t fans of tidal wave but more so the community backlash

No I really don't like tidal wave as a level

11:10 PM

I also dislike how Onilink carries himself and the community drama

Halapeenyo

Hating on someone for not being an experienced creator is wild

(edited)

he has some wild ego sometimes which is what a lot of people hate on him for

11:10 PM

not saying it's justified to do that but he is an interesting person

He has some unreal behavior from what I saw

11:10 PM

11:11 PM

Not like it's a huge deal but

Ah, well that might explain it then

11:11 PM

I’m not too deep into the onilink lore

this was like around when tw released which was closer to 2y ago

11:12 PM

nowadays he has much more normal behavior

11:12 PM

so imo no reason to hate on him

galeforce is pretty fire

12:16 AM

ive always been indifferent to top levels though

Chloe 🥀

https://youtu.be/3gPJuz44YZc?si=70Rl3Y781ONue771 im assuming most of yall arent a fan of tidal wave but i kind of dig this level a lot its really nice

not a huge fan of this level tbh, this visual style just doesn't click on me. however i do think it looks a little bit better than tidal wave. it has a bit more depth in theming, but because of how weak the deco execution is, that doesn't make me enjoying this more

Halapeenyo

Hating on someone for not being an experienced creator is wild

(edited)

its not rlly because of that

1:08 AM

just a lot of ego on twitter

1:08 AM

ah others have said it already mb

twt, reddit, you name it.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1036816469339676672/1387725861003722855/oni.mov?ex=692a13ab&is=6928c22b&hm=f3670e8d35853aeae066ce520b1abde2162c8147ff8d9efbb9bbffdc1888224b&

6

this video is so fucking funny

insane ego

No hate you can be proud of what you work on and i respect liking your own work

5:05 AM

but be a little bit realistic

the downsides of blowing up as a creator with very little experience under your belt

he has a very weird mindset which doesn't let him improve

5:49 AM

he says doesn't listen to feedback because if he did his levels wouldn't be his solo work anymore

ivyteal

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1036816469339676672/1387725861003722855/oni.mov?ex=692a13ab&is=6928c22b&hm=f3670e8d35853aeae066ce520b1abde2162c8147ff8d9efbb9bbffdc1888224b&

Am I crazy or is there nothing wrong on the 2nd pic

there's nothing wrong it just isn't what you'd think is among the best block design ever

6:25 AM

Alright well I can see why he might be getting some hate then

Chloe 🥀

this was like around when tw released which was closer to 2y ago

to be fair refer to this ^ he has taken feedback much better more recently and doesnt ego as much

I always thought the ego came from the fact people were dogpiling on him for how "bad" tidal wave was

holy ego haha

10:04 AM

i mean i’ve always liked tidal wave even if it’s not like, what people expect with that style. My issue has always been the replacement song always sucked

Alliterated Archives 899655

sakura ♡

i mean i’ve always liked tidal wave even if it’s not like, what people expect with that style. My issue has always been the replacement song always sucked

i think the replacement was fixed in like a couple months of it being out

YraC 🥀

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reminiscent rainbow

tilted towers

Tony

No I really don't like tidal wave as a level

I do like tidal wave a decent bit but onilink's ego is a problem

I've just never been a fan of it

12:46 PM

totally apropos of the creator

I think it’s lit as a random early 2.1 magic section find

Pauze

I think it’s lit as a random early 2.1 magic section find

dis

5:33 PM

reminds me of the stuff i was making in 2018

5:33 PM

but with more effort

I wish the demon list just didn’t give a fuck about something being rated

5:34 PM

All the drama and bullshit kinda spawned from that

5:34 PM

No one would have cared if they didn’t care

Pauze

I wish the demon list just didn’t give a fuck about something being rated

they are doing so very soon actually

5:35 PM

with the rated+ tab

Didn’t they say that like a year ago

its pretty close to releasing

they’ve started actually doing rated+ stuff it’ll be soon

5:36 PM

funny how similar to rob’s cbf they’ve actually been relatively radio silent with progress on it lol

Good

5:40 PM

Hope it comes out

5:40 PM

Pauze

Didn’t they say that like a year ago

paqoe said "yeah were all just lazy & procrastinating so thats why its taking so long" LOL

grief sparked the whole rated+ thing cus it was the first (and still only) large scale verification with cbf

10:07 PM

so i imagine they were gonna wait til it got verified before realising just how long that may take

The Furry Pantheon 342624

10:45 PM

10:46 PM

When you see yummy food 155200

10:48 PM

The Map Museum 600433

10:49 PM

The Deep Blue 498424

Wacky and Weird 44058

got a question regarding demon difficulty sending, is there like some sort of cooldown on it? for example if i were to send a level to a certain demon difficulty, how long would i have to wait to do it again (if it's even possible to send again)

7:20 AM

ive always been wondering but kept forgetting to ask lol

pretty sure we all get one difficulty send but we can choose to change it to another difficulty if we wish

7:28 AM

essentially the same process as sending a level

7:28 AM

though if I'm wrong feel free to correct me

back when maffaka was mod i remember someone telling him on stream that his level good promoted to medium demon and he went ahead and sent it for easy demon like 5 times in a row lol

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7:41 AM

that made me think sending demon difficulty multiple times works but i actually don't know

I know that you cant stack demon sends like that you can only do it once

7:44 AM

idk if changing the difficulty later on works but maybe

if not it'd be cool to have like a semi-long cooldown on it

7:49 AM

don't think it'd lead to abuse

you can just resend whenever yea

7:50 AM

and it replaces your previous

oh so it doesnt count it again?

no

8:00 AM

that would be very bad

Viprin

that would be very bad

i cannot imagjne a single reason why this would be bad

8:13 AM

icdx would have stuck at extreme

8:14 AM

there are surely only positives to this,,

necter

don't think it'd lead to abuse

me when I send buff this for extreme every time the cooldown ends on the exact minute (edited)

gecko

i cannot imagjne a single reason why this would be bad

this ^ i want complete control over the demon ratings in the game given infinite time

11:11 AM

my opinions must be facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGEG3tGFUyk rarely does a level make me genuinely laugh but this one deffo did, made for my creator contest too lmao

charisma

Silly CC || Top 5 levels" Verified (Insane Demon)

12:25 PM

pretty peak level

Great level

Chloe 🥀

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGEG3tGFUyk rarely does a level make me genuinely laugh but this one deffo did, made for my creator contest too lmao

thats the WRONG like button

i rlly shouldve entered this contest but my semester has been insanely busy

hello fellow moders, wanted to see if any of you would be able to fill me in on where we generally stand on use of the click on steps mod

12:51 PM

i recall a small discussion on it but not so much details

Dasher3000

hello fellow moders, wanted to see if any of you would be able to fill me in on where we generally stand on use of the click on steps mod

i know that it is allowed to use

ah nice, figured that was most likely the case

just got a dm about someone having issues registering an account, and they have an @outlook.dk email, and the invalid email option doesnt work either, does this have to do smt with the email itself?

ye

2:39 PM

try gmail

alright

Isn't there a thing where you can input your name and password and it tells you your email address?

5:29 AM

Or is that only a mod thing lmao

the link was sent here specifically i dont know if its accessible without it

Yeah

wouldnt do any harm if ppl could use it tho

Idk if it's private or not

5:30 AM

Sooo

ask maintenance

Yea

can be shared

so arcturan is

4:25 PM

wow

4:26 PM

i did some really primitive testing and i was kinda expecting this to just be like, a mattewgame style level

4:26 PM

how naive i was

4:26 PM

i really really need to make this vid about gd being a game engine already

4:26 PM

assuming i do make this, jshadow please dm me anything you think i should cover based on your experiences making this!!

Colon

i really really need to make this vid about gd being a game engine already

haha appreciate that dude, yeah after your early playtesting, i wanted to keep it hidden from ya so you could try out the full thing blind (edited)

4:28 PM

it was a grueling, but really fun experience

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Joris

it was a grueling, but really fun experience

i can imagine

4:29 PM

but yea ive wanted to make a video looking at gd as a game engine for ages but i got too wrapped up with school and rd

4:29 PM

hopefully before the end of the year

4:29 PM

it was originally just gonna be me glazing a bunch of levels but now i just wanna talk about the topic in general

4:29 PM

i cant cover them all

4:30 PM

so if you have anything to add to the conversation, do let me know!!

oh did u drop ur new level

yeah its been a big year for plat so a more generalised approach would work well in your favour

things you like about working in gd, things you dont, and just thoughts on that topic in general

✨mbed✨

oh did u drop ur new level

sure did

i have to tap in

it still has some bugs but all game breakers are ironed out

Colon

things you like about working in gd, things you dont, and just thoughts on that topic in general

for sure ill do that

ill prob start planning the script in a few days

4:31 PM

but first i need to figure out what to cover and how

4:31 PM

i have a rough idea (edited)

it has a custom mod for data saving?

yup, rob approved

similar to labyrinth

4:31 PM

goated

yup inspired by that

Colon

i have a rough idea (edited)

sweet, well ill drop in some thoughts in your dms

thank you!

Colon

so if you have anything to add to the conversation, do let me know!!

you gotta contact the creator of “car test” that could be a fire part about making custom physics

Good point!

that new powder level is wild too

5:02 PM

lemme find the id rq

5:02 PM

128609410

5:02 PM

this one

Colon

hopefully before the end of the year

dang it crystal odyssey wont make it!

7:56 PM

im jk but i'd love to see a video like that

Colon

things you like about working in gd, things you dont, and just thoughts on that topic in general

u didnt ask me but the fact u have kinda pre-made assets that you can warp and twist to make something unique and new is incredible (and also just use for tilesets and decoration is amazing, makes everything much easier in terms of art, and the fact u movement pretty much done without any coding (robot is pretty much all good for the movement in a platformer)

7:58 PM

and also the particle editor is so hype

particle editor is so good its lowkey better than actual engines

yea its kinda crazy

7:59 PM

and ill be honest

7:59 PM

the fact rob even added it is kinda crazy to me

7:59 PM

like it barely gets used in the actual official levels (edited)

7:59 PM

bro did it for the love of the game lol

8:00 PM

well it was used ofc but u get what i mean

8:00 PM

nothing compared to what its actually capable of, its such an insane feature

8:00 PM

audio and sfx library built in is also insane

8:00 PM

one of my fav things to do

8:00 PM

sound design

8:01 PM

love the fact u dont need to code (which also limits it a LOT and its also a downside), but if u have a little bit of coding logic knowledge u can get the hang of stuff pretty easy

8:02 PM

triggers like sequence and advanced random are incredible

8:02 PM

spawn trigger carries

8:02 PM

the trigger system makes a bunch of stuff like much easier to do than coding

8:02 PM

and then some are just impossible without coding

Auck

like it barely gets used in the actual official levels (edited)

dash and the tower use it like crazy

8:04 PM

hell rob uses the particle trigger on the MENU now, for things like mythic fire and path animations

8:05 PM

they use particle object strings

thats true

Colon

they use particle object strings

also LOL i had no idea

8:08 PM

thats cool

Colon

dash and the tower use it like crazy

i mean like

8:08 PM

they're not used to the extent they're used in custom levels

Auck

nothing compared to what its actually capable of, its such an insane feature

like ppl have made stuff like blackholes and all kinds of insane effects

8:09 PM

just with the particle editor

8:09 PM

not even any shaders and stuff

https://www.reddit.com/r/geometrydash/comments/1pb1iop/robtop_has_allegedly_approved_of_arcturan_a_mod/

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8:30 PM

ugggh stfu

8:31 PM

i hate the mindset of trying to generalize the same rules across everything in gd regardless of how its played and the context surrounding it

8:31 PM

this is literally just a full game made in gd and instead of bitching about it we should just respect how the creators intended for it to be experienced

Actually just ran into this same post. These are mods made specifically to accompany these levels and sought the approval for such. But it's always got to be about every level, with no regard for context. It's unfortunately a common sentiment I've seen, and it's annoying. Also they bring it up for Arcturan, but neglect to mention that this is also the case for Labyrinth.

this might be a good topic for the game engine video

8:55 PM

if and how we set these apart from traditional gd levels

I mean I’m ngl they got a point tho

(edited)

9:01 PM

Inconsequential cause at the end of they day, it ain’t my decision but I remember some of the arguments that CBF players have heard (it’s not available for vanilla players on mobile) it’s essentially the same argument here

9:02 PM

Bit more nuanced than that but you know

RavingRafters

Actually just ran into this same post. These are mods made specifically to accompany these levels and sought the approval for such. But it's always got to be about every level, with no regard for context. It's unfortunately a common sentiment I've seen, and it's annoying. Also they bring it up for Arcturan, but neglect to mention that this is also the case for Labyrinth.

i disagree somewhat with the arcturan vs labyrinth thing here

9:14 PM

arc+ acts as platsave reducing completion time with external tools while lab+ has no impact on that and simply saves some data rather than a checkpoint or anything like that

9:14 PM

cus you always start at 0 on lab

The core of what they said is simple: Both have a "save" system via a mod, approved by Rob. However, the two have a different form of "progression"

9:15 PM

But, how they use that system is not something they acknowledge at all

9:15 PM

They aren't acknowledging any further details of the level at all

i personally break it down to simply reducing completion time as a stat

9:16 PM

since that is an unfair advantage on the leaderboards

9:16 PM

you can get world record on lab without the mod, seems easier on arc with the mod

i dont want to offend anyone who makes these levels and make these mods to accompany them because i think its super amazing from a technical point of view and just seeing where gd has progressed but with that being said i dont know how i feel about levels that require mods to provide the best experience

The mod does also, at least as it states, save times, so a suboptimal run will be a suboptimal run regardless.

i remember before 2.2 came out a big hope we had in the chat was that we hoped the update would result in less 3rd party modifications being necessary

9:17 PM

and i think this is largely also robtop's issue because he should facilitate these needs creators have

9:17 PM

such as saving when you leave the level

9:18 PM

i do not blame creators for solving their own limitation issues within the editor

9:18 PM

but i wish it wasnt necessary to need to have assisting mods

9:18 PM

to get the best out of a level

RavingRafters

The mod does also, at least as it states, save times, so a suboptimal run will be a suboptimal run regardless.

ooh i was referring to this message https://discord.com/channels/172106954942971905/1399202241323470998/1444776208297496668

But their core point seems to mostly be leading down the line of "Something that does x thing that was made for this level was approved by Rob, so what about the one that applies to all the levels, and does basically the same thing?" And that is the main thing I see people going on with in terms of twt and the like.

i misremembered that it was linked to crashing and not the mod itself

9:19 PM

mod is exploitable which is bad but if that’s fixed im chill w it

danke

but i wish it wasnt necessary to need to have assisting mods

can agree yea

9:20 PM

though i think external modding in general is extremely healthy for the game

9:20 PM

it’s the only reason it lasted throughout 2.1 and while less necessary now it has definitely significantly sped up many projects

It's super dependent on an individual case to me, with mods

i dont see why its healthy for gd

9:21 PM

when it comes to adding stuff like new editor features it can just result in a mess

9:22 PM

i agree when it comes to simple QOL stuff

9:22 PM

but mods are always not a stable thing for games and that is the entire nature of modding games

danke

i dont see why its healthy for gd

it’s an easy way to show what the community want in the game

9:27 PM

and a good chunk of 2.2’s qol features are parts of mods from 2.1

9:27 PM

with robtop planning to incorporate more mod features into the base game in the future such as cbf and plat save

9:28 PM

cbf wouldn’t have been thought up at all if the mod wasn’t made, at least not for a while

id say if rob adds a workshop, like in tandem with geode developers, that would be a game changer (edited)

11:49 PM

workshops can immortalise games

11:49 PM

combine that with gd's passionate community and that'd spiral it

gecko

mod is exploitable which is bad but if that’s fixed im chill w it

Kiba fixed time not saving when u crash already so it should be chill

1:41 AM

I tagged them about it in cmg yesterday

workshop would eternally messy up the game

3:05 AM

and very anti-mobile

3:05 AM

trust me i used to be the biggest GD steam workshop supporter

3:06 AM

i used to love that idea

3:06 AM

part of me still does

3:06 AM

but i understand completely why robtop doesnt do it

3:09 AM

i want to see a world where it works but in reality its messy (edited)

yeah for sure

3:11 AM

i do just think with how geode is its probably fine being community run eitherway tbh

competent management would make it function pretty well but its not a necessity anyway, with geode on the side

3:40 AM

i see it more as a potential tmodloader for gd

3:40 AM

a cool hypothetical that would i believe work with proper thought, with mobile compatibility

if GD had a very very trusted team of people who managed an official mod SDK for GD that allowed for easy and reliable GD modding then it could possibly work (edited)

3:49 AM

the most official acknowledgement of these game modifiers comes from robtop being like "yeah i guess its fine"

3:49 AM

it would be cool to see a more streamlined system for it

3:51 AM

im fully supportive of safe GD mods that work around an existing modding system

Colon

https://www.reddit.com/r/geometrydash/comments/1pb1iop/robtop_has_allegedly_approved_of_arcturan_a_mod/

told kiba like 2 days ago that saying this in the description was a bad idea (edited)

6:44 AM

couldnt be bothered to change it

gecko

arc+ acts as platsave reducing completion time with external tools while lab+ has no impact on that and simply saves some data rather than a checkpoint or anything like that

i appreciate the nuance here because i was very detailed about the specs of labyrinth+ and labyrinth's progression with robtop so to see it generalized in the mod description of arcturan+ kinda irks me (edited)

most mod devs wouldnt mind just rob stealing their idea and putting it in game

even if rob added platformer saving id still probably maintain labyrinth+ just to keep seeded runs working (edited)

dont worry we'll enjoy lab+ solely for next 5 years still

tri

even if rob added platformer saving id still probably maintain labyrinth+ just to keep seeded runs working (edited)

if plat saving was implemented at its most basic (just saving a checkpoint) then lab probably wouldnt be impacted anyway

7:23 AM

he’d need persistent items out of level which might be too much data to store for so many levels

make checkpoint saving steam exclusive trollface

make checkpoint saving geode exclusive

kreno

make checkpoint saving geode exclusive

it would be crazy if this were already the case..

wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UObiLr208R0 This looks promising

MiraCatsy

Veilhaven :: Preview 1

ooo miracatsy plat

8:51 AM

we in for some peak

https://www.reddit.com/r/geometrydash/comments/1pbii3l/the_level_cant_be_that_inaproppia/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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10:41 AM

genuinely

10:41 AM

fuck people who post reported levels to reddit

10:41 AM

"THIS LEVEL BREAK THE RULES!!! I NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE SEES IT SO THEY CAN REPORT IT"

insane thumbnail

i would love to be a r/gd mod simply to delete the dozens of posts like this i see every week

10:42 AM

but i know reddit mods have crazy high standards for some reason

Colon

but i know reddit mods have crazy high standards for some reason

i remember seeing recently r/art drama where all the mods stepped down

10:44 AM

some guy posted his artwork and had "print" in the description of post which led to it being taken down, then he posted it on twitter and all the mods just quit lmaooo

10:44 AM

reddit mods are known to be very mean nails

I SAW THAT LOL

10:45 AM

it was actually just one mod

oh fr

10:45 AM

i thought all of them resigned lol

yeah none of the other mods endorsed this

10:45 AM

he just posted it on behalf of everyone without them agreeing to it

10:45 AM

amazing

can one of us do this

10:46 AM

guys

Halapeenyo should quit imo

Colon

but i know reddit mods have crazy high standards for some reason

I'm not a reddit user so im not sure what you mean by this, but isn't Sayajiaji one of the mods in charge of the subreddit ?

10:54 AM

in which case I sincerely doubt it's all that serious on the gd subreddit

is r/art is gd? or am i missing something

necter

Halapeenyo should quit imo

Halapeenyo

Click to see attachment 🖼️

You know what you did, fool.

11:04 AM

Windows 915936

Destriv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UObiLr208R0 This looks promising

oo i saw this

11:31 AM

the problem with most platformers that try to use a custom player is that even if they have the cleanest art style, the animations not fitting the default gd movement's acceleration and deceleration completely ruin the immersion for me

11:31 AM

id prefer people make their pretty platformer deco and also keep the player icon visible

necter

some guy posted his artwork and had "print" in the description of post which led to it being taken down, then he posted it on twitter and all the mods just quit lmaooo

Iirc someone asked where it was available and they said they had prints, which was technically against the subreddits self promo rules or smth

11:38 AM

But the moderator was being a classic unwashed unloved reddit moderator about it

i just watched moist criticals videos on it oh my lord it's so funny

connot

can one of us do this

viprin step down and say we all did

tri

i appreciate the nuance here because i was very detailed about the specs of labyrinth+ and labyrinth's progression with robtop so to see it generalized in the mod description of arcturan+ kinda irks me (edited)

I actually prefaced to rob that the level progressed physically if players were to save then exit, and I told him at the time it would not save player time. The player time saving addition was later added by kiba

1:47 PM

i dont think rob genuinely cares whether you physically progress in a level with a mod or not, he just indicates that it has to be under the creator's wish, and for it to not be mandatory to complete the level

1:48 PM

partially in robs words there ^

1:48 PM

regardless, not a topic of drama, this is a non-issue

Joris

I actually prefaced to rob that the level progressed physically if players were to save then exit, and I told him at the time it would not save player time. The player time saving addition was later added by kiba

oh thats good

1:49 PM

i thought i remembered you telling me that you hadnt spoken to rob about it

1:49 PM

this is very cool news!!

that was before the mod was being conceptualised

1:50 PM

messaged him about 2-3 months ago

1:51 PM

i wouldnt dare help making a level altering mod without robs perms haha, id be too scared i might infringe on some rule

yall have gotta peep this level, i got it on stream today and the style is so cool and unique 128749031 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv3zQ8X3jnI

SvenniGD

Abstract by SvenniGD22 (me) - Geometry Dash 2.2

3:51 PM

no creator points either

YraC 🥀

yall have gotta peep this level, i got it on stream today and the style is so cool and unique 128749031 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv3zQ8X3jnI

0 creator point insane gauntlet cc entry?? where have i heard this before,,

4:07 PM

i will play this as soon as i can this looks sick

Super banger

Destriv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UObiLr208R0 This looks promising

ive been seeing this level for a while now and it just keeps getting better each time

4:44 PM

its amazing

YraC 🥀

yall have gotta peep this level, i got it on stream today and the style is so cool and unique 128749031 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv3zQ8X3jnI

I sent it for legendary earlier

5:00 PM

Crazy stuff fr

503511 - From Creators of Phobos

6:11 PM

571285 - Frozen Moons

6:12 PM

912529 - The Dashlands

6:14 PM

854198 - Vinyl Collection

6:15 PM

878709 - Time Travelers

6:16 PM

a few more list suggestions from me :)

6:16 PM

tried to keep things interesting

necter

503511 - From Creators of Phobos

I never saw this list but I'm scared to know which of my levels they picked whatthefuck

6:25 PM

They picked Dragon Ascend

6:26 PM

is that bad or good

It's one of my first 1.9 levels

6:27 PM

And it's pretty bad

oh then its peak

They could've picked Circuit Force at least, that one was pretty good for its time

Locking in new lists soon

hope pen dash makes it

3:24 AM

1

ah yea the pen dash list would be fire

3:31 AM

907227

hoping one of mine is in the mix

2 of recent entries from me made it am happy Easy

Viprin

Locking in new lists soon

seems like rob has been locking in in general

5:44 AM

its been rlly cool to see

yee

5:45 AM

both demons and lists been rated much more consistently

2

Noticed the former especially and honestly its lit

5:53 AM

bro is locked IN as fuck

im super loving the demon rate frequency its awesome

love to see it rr

6:02 AM

fr

you guys know any good demons that have been waiting for a bit tho?

no!

6:03 AM

actually i do

i have one but i cant find it on mobile

1 sec

tinytemple

6:04 AM

give me a sec to get id and dif (edited)

HAHA i was typing out tinytemple

6:04 AM

My brain is wired to this level bro

71806852 insane demon https://youtu.be/RzlhTiGDc2c?si=77sQS72UazpUAaY0

Astrix

"Prime" by Astrix [Insane Demon]

6:05 AM

im surprised this level has gone unrated for so long

Take the wheel Electro Im on mobile

98595006 easy demon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkPBno0PnJw

Nubot

TinyTemple by ArtisMvpn 100% (Platformer Easy Demon) - Geometry Das...

8

Pleaseee Rob I need this (edited)

https://youtu.be/MQE8pRKzW0Q?t=2m31s 119689515 Extreme Demon

CairoX

After 3 years it's finally done... INFINITE CHAOS by CairoX and mor...

Viprin

you guys know any good demons that have been waiting for a bit tho?

https://fixupx.com/imchloechu/status/1966412911519433067?s=20 theres no showcase of this except for my one so ill give you the tweet lol, ID 95735284 insane demon feature

chloechu 💞 (@imchloechu)

Found a pretty neat 2.1 level from a creator with 0 creator points. I really like what this level is going for, the song representation is great, and its a pretty fun hard/insane demon! ︀︀ ︀︀ID: 95735284 7 7 ❤️ 107 ️ 6.0K

Viprin

you guys know any good demons that have been waiting for a bit tho?

95719795 extreme demon (List worthy) NONG: https://youtu.be/JJ7qIP9-9Mw?si=QUYHqcBCLQ8hvzAH No NONG: https://youtu.be/kZJduuH7IvY?si=R9qU7kMRkXIwZpb9

Extreme Demon Index

Decks Dark Showcase

Madison Yuko

decks newgrounds song

1

kreno

71806852 insane demon https://youtu.be/RzlhTiGDc2c?si=77sQS72UazpUAaY0

Also banger suggestion

61609627 Easy/Medium Demon https://youtu.be/Qu3yzZolgTk?si=NyNNAXC9NbJBlkfQ Couldn't find any videos besides my own for this level, but I still think it holds up okay despite being over 5 years old

RavingRafters

Years Old Megacollab | Spectroma by AeroStorm & More | GD 2.11

Oh my god the creator points server MC

Yeah lmao. Still find it to be very fun, so I go back and play it once in a while

6:19 AM

Definition of Megacollab Syndrome, but I kinda fw it

Viprin

you guys know any good demons that have been waiting for a bit tho?

I don't know if I'd consider this good and I recall the gameplay not being exactly very friendly but the only acceptable Demon I can think of is this one: 61955037 https://youtu.be/Qi-X2YkWa7s?si=QEH-EFIvD52bZX_1

rdelfih

[UPDATED; VERIFIED] "Vulgarism" by AAAAAlex 100% | Geometry Dash

6:24 AM

I'm gonna dig into my past sends though, I'm sure there has to be something else

123696996 Extreme Demon https://youtu.be/4yRfl6gHv6Y?si=hgAoi0U7EwVn14D0

No ob

ㅤ

111537009 - Feature - Easy demon https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=qYdB90nxw-svUg8g&v=xxNHEE_QDVo&feature=youtu.be

Qwwps1 [GD]

Dimensional Drift (Unrated Demon) by IRSx (GD)

OK here's a better one than the last one I sent 114243863 https://youtu.be/doCS2keLRhE?si=zyvD2Mwnzob2UZGA

notd4n1

[VERIFIED] Carbon Fiber by xSlendy

1

DreamEater

OK here's a better one than the last one I sent 114243863 https://youtu.be/doCS2keLRhE?si=zyvD2Mwnzob2UZGA

carbon fiber is getting a balance update very soon as its current state is in shambles gp wise

6:33 AM

jsyk

117028121 - Feature - Medium/Hard demon https://youtu.be/koMWLPJ2EVs?si=V1LeoI482-aj5Iyc

Maddy - GD

Coppice by me | Verified (Short Slope Thingy IDK)

Chloe 🥀

carbon fiber is getting a balance update very soon as its current state is in shambles gp wise

Oh I had no idea, I mentioned the level to Slendy on a call couple days ago but he didn't tell me about it

I think it can still get rated as the update will 100% happen but yeah its definitely a mess RN

Alternatively to Carbon Fiber, there is this one: 110789995 https://youtu.be/PCs-Z4ARRdA?si=3_BMTJLftwQk1ytj

Slendy

Ripaberarda by xSlendy (easy demon)

1

6:41 AM

Slendy has quite a few unrated Demons afaik but I think these two are most solid

121387678 - Epic - Hard(?) Demon https://youtu.be/605qSBvp3Js?si=TMBOM5mGHz_GEdf6

Vizitek [GD]

Interloper (Demon) by wallywalrus | Geometry Dash [Review №5]

7:03 AM

has been unrated for 5 months now

Electro

98595006 easy demon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkPBno0PnJw

Please Viprin please I beg

thanks all

7:08 AM

got enough

7:08 AM

YraC 🥀

121387678 - Epic - Hard(?) Demon https://youtu.be/605qSBvp3Js?si=TMBOM5mGHz_GEdf6

so long ago he was still called wallywalrus

7:36 AM

why did i lowkey never heard of this level until now

Junkrat³

so long ago he was still called wallywalrus

sob

7:37 AM

but ya its pretty good

7:37 AM

unsure why it was never rated

7:38 AM

hope that changes now

DreamEater

Oh I had no idea, I mentioned the level to Slendy on a call couple days ago but he didn't tell me about it

yea id wait on the update for that one

8:31 AM

unforch missed this round but some bangers in here

Viprin

got enough

oh wait I was up for this one but didnt check the channel...

Hexagon

oh wait I was up for this one but didnt check the channel...

me too

9:15 AM

i had just woken up like an hour ago and was too tired to check discord

unfortunate

I missed it again

3:14 AM

Based After Based should be the time now imo

Whizkid05

95719795 extreme demon (List worthy) NONG: https://youtu.be/JJ7qIP9-9Mw?si=QUYHqcBCLQ8hvzAH No NONG: https://youtu.be/kZJduuH7IvY?si=R9qU7kMRkXIwZpb9

very good one

SnowEye

Based After Based should be the time now imo

facts

5:13 AM

decks dark & bab have been waiting far too long for how unique they both are

idk if right now is a good time with all the bullshit drama that akunakun has been in tbh

6:28 AM

i also feel like him buffdating JMF definitely doesnt make it more likely that their levels get rated

128441743 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug_X63oluOs mad impressive stuff, they animated a fight from s3 jujutsu kaisen before the animated series even released

(spoilers for jk though)

Gmxx1217 | Animation

KitCat999

6:46 AM

very talented gd animator, surprised they have no creator points yet

6:46 AM

though i think they only make jk stuff

Devilmine

idk if right now is a good time with all the bullshit drama that akunakun has been in tbh

i mean its not rly anything that makes his stuff unrateable

7:30 AM

bab in particular is a lot more than just akun too

7:31 AM

many talented creators involved + the verifier

7:32 AM

it is highly unlikely that he tries to buff anything else because he just will have no reason to do so, he wouldn’t have even done that to jmf had he known it’d be reverted

7:37 AM

i dont think some twitter drama should prevent many people’s hard work being rewarded

gecko

i mean its not rly anything that makes his stuff unrateable

not saying it should never be

10:04 AM

right now tho i think theres better things to reward to at least get the drama a bit more cooled down yk

Devilmine

right now tho i think theres better things to reward to at least get the drama a bit more cooled down yk

ig but at the same time its not rly akun stirring it atm, more leslie this time

10:19 AM

all akun said was that he’d respond to leslie’s thing when he can

10:19 AM

see what u mean tho

nexter and yrax keeping list rates alive

are more lists needed?

10:21 AM

thought it was on an insane backlog tbh

i scroll through friend’s lists occasionally but most people just make level name lists which i am very bored of

there is no backlog anymore really

10:22 AM

rob been rating them often

damn

we need some more short lists

10:23 AM

a lot of suggestions have like 50-100 levels

10:23 AM

it's cool but some shorter ones (like 10 ish) is also nice sometimes

custom "gauntlet" lists could be cool with a topic

ye a lot of those got rated before

we need a way to do it in game cuz the main reason i don’t is i’d rather send lists anonymously, i don’t like how the only method i have to show everyone else what i think should be rated

I can suggest a lot of lists i just didnt want to spam for same assumption as devilmine

Viprin

we need some more short lists

933049 This one got 8 level

im gonna be honest i think its like

10:24 AM

reaylly whatever with Lists

8 "Insanely fun" levels

10:24 AM

They're all insane (edited)

i don't think anyone will say something against lists nowadays tbh unless its been done to death or smth

Actually one got rerated to harder

this ones cool

10:24 AM

this too

10:25 AM

these 2 good

Ryder

They're all insane (edited)

10:25 AM

Ryder

Actually one got rerated to harder

procurador doing a little self inserting

LOL

10:25 AM

I didn't even notice it was their level (edited)

also IMO this is a pretty nice extreme demon list if you are looking for that (id 792284)

I was gonna say there is no way there are 38 chill extremes

Viprin

procurador doing a little self inserting

his level being one of the first in rated “neodesign bangers” DemonKey

1

But they meant snow...

no I meant chill as in like

i have a really banger wip list but the theme is so obscure that its rly hard to find levels for lol

feeling fairly calm throughout most of it

10:27 AM

theres definitely more calm extremes but i only put good ones lol

Oh this your lst

10:27 AM

ya

Chloe 🥀

theres definitely more calm extremes but i only put good ones lol

Brimtanic Paradise

gecko

Brimtanic Paradise

7/10 avg enjoyment

10:28 AM

its also good

gecko

Brimtanic Paradise

I thought that was like a hell froze over joke (edited)

10:28 AM

701830

Viprin

it's cool but some shorter ones (like 10 ish) is also nice sometimes

911949

LOL

AutoNick

this list title kinda sucks but i like the concept

mag

911949

lol the name

10:29 AM

Venture Outside the Level

LOL

Viprin

we need some more short lists

Time to do a lil self advertising Easy

This list sucks

10:31 AM

(Idk cards)

CheYuriy

Time to do a lil self advertising Easy

not putting dead god cult here is crazy

LMFAOOO i found something funny

Chloe 🥀

not putting dead god cult here is crazy

It's a name list

Kirby Of The Stars 879626 rated Kirby themed levels

Me when god is a new poker card

10:32 AM

i would not like to suggest it for rate but its a really funny list if youre a plat knower 933459

CheYuriy

It's a name list

ohh i c

Elements not 111 RG - 903155 (edited)

mag

i would not like to suggest it for rate but its a really funny list if youre a plat knower 933459

i WOULD like to suggest this for rate

10:32 AM

this list is banger

it just has a little negative undertone

i guess thats fair yea

basically all 4 levels besides reactor meltdown are really heavy inspirations

10:33 AM

the most funny thing is voltgen power and lava outrunner

this is why my list Against The Clock is far better

10:34 AM

/ j but i like speedrun levels they are so fun

Pianist Dreams - 400786

10:34 AM

it might be time to make a list

i gotta lock in and finish my next list

10:35 AM

time to go level hunting

Bert

Pianist Dreams - 400786

my level spotted

gonna make an extreme demon gauntlet list

gonna bump this one again since when it came out there was a backlog of months but now that is not the case + discussions got wiped Pen Dash - 907227

3

11:25 AM

Locomotion - 553080 Illusioner - 900730

Viprin

nexter and yrax keeping list rates alive

can provide more soon if needed but i also feel bad for suggesting so many haha

I have found a nice one

11:58 AM

892692 - The Method TM

Devilmine

custom "gauntlet" lists could be cool with a topic

i got 5 gauntlet lists based off newly added 2.2 shards

11:58 AM

that robtop should have made....

no he really didn’t need to make 5 more gauntlets

i mean

12:00 PM

if they were done right they could be cool

12:00 PM

instead of stuff like snake or spider

12:01 PM

you could even make a contest out of these as well, theyd have interesting themes

12:01 PM

imo really untapped idea!

636993 - Cremisi

oh that’d be worse than rob choosing the levels

sorry im certified gauntlet hater, i think its rare we get a gauntlet that’s enjoyable

Throwback to Rob asking GDForums to give him good levels for the Lava Gauntlet (and me giving him Fire Aura in response)

12:03 PM

Most hated gauntlet level ever for no good reason

Fire Aura didnt deserve all its hate

12:32 PM

Very good level

cparc (only urgent report tags)

gonna bump this one again since when it came out there was a backlog of months but now that is not the case + discussions got wiped Pen Dash - 907227

oh can we like resubmit stuff cus i assumed u couldnt rly do that

12:38 PM

was just sending stuff once and assuming it was denied if not rated

og: 123845832 robbed: 128889055 og: 122522948 robbed: 128498124

12:43 PM

someone dmed me those two levels are stolen/rated

12:43 PM

can someone check cuz i cant rn

ya already told rob

12:50 PM

hopefully both will be unrated soon

gecko

oh can we like resubmit stuff cus i assumed u couldnt rly do that

i only resubmitted cus of the backlog and vip saying itd be looked at months after

12:51 PM

but discussions reset and no backlog so i thought id shoot the shot now (edited)

12:51 PM

12:52 PM

+ vip would prolly say here if a (resubmitted) list wont get rated (edited)

12:52 PM

i assume

cparc (only urgent report tags)

+ vip would prolly say here if a (resubmitted) list wont get rated (edited)

when i first got promoted i sent 2 lists here and the second one was rated but not the first

12:54 PM

so i just kinda went with rob saw it and didnt like it

also fair

maybe ill resubmit some from last discussion tho

12:55 PM

see what happens

i mean yeah i usually dont resubmit either but considering the circumstances felt like the right time

1:01 PM

+ we put a lot of effort into the project so would be lit if the list was rated

cparc (only urgent report tags)

ya already told rob

oh shit i just dmed him too (edited)

1:25 PM

rip

cparc (only urgent report tags)

gonna bump this one again since when it came out there was a backlog of months but now that is not the case + discussions got wiped Pen Dash - 907227

cparc (only urgent report tags)

ya already told rob

LOL I had also messaged him

5:08 PM

just saw modchat now

recently this person uploaded a level called 'Charlie Kirkles' and as a result it seems as though the account just got nuked by rob, they cant refresh login and they arent IP banned

6:39 PM

just wanting to double check here that its rob nuking the account before spreading misinformation

Lia

recently this person uploaded a level called 'Charlie Kirkles' and as a result it seems as though the account just got nuked by rob, they cant refresh login and they arent IP banned

mightve actually been disabled by rob

6:45 PM

ask them to relog on boomlings and ingame

6:45 PM

(not refresh login)

oki

Devilmine

ask them to relog on boomlings and ingame

yea can login on boomlings

6:48 PM

i suggested changing password there and trying to login on gd again

Charlie Kirkles??

6:58 PM

its exactly what you think it is

Nine Circles with bullet holes in it?

7:07 PM

I thought it was Nine Circles but with "We are Charlie Kirk"

7:10 PM

Either that or a mashup of sorts with the original song

DreamEater

I thought it was Nine Circles but with "We are Charlie Kirk"

yes

8:08 PM

its just a circles level with that song

So no bullet holes?

11:07 PM

Why did it get taken down then??

the woke left got to the level...

i imagine it crosses the line of too political/drama provoking

yea

then again trump circles is rated so who knows

i meannnn it all depends on the context

tho this is about an assassination so different yea

trump is a president of a big country so its kinda different and the wall song had a funny approach that most children wont ever get what is the actual meaning of it

yea

gecko

tho this is about an assassination so different yea

its just a song

11:15 PM

right\

11:15 PM

there was no graphic violence in the level?

11:15 PM

we are charli xcx

i havent seen the level but i assumed it was also themed around the guy in some way

iirc it was just a generic nc levels with the we are charlie kirk song

11:16 PM

very tame

just guessing why it would have been deleted

11:16 PM

maybe too soon after his death

11:16 PM

hard to say for sure rly

robtop is a republican confirmed

11:17 PM

he keeps promoting gay furries to cover his tracks

11:17 PM

this is the true reason behind the mod team…..

gecko

he keeps promoting gay furries to cover his tracks

controlled opposition

11:18 PM

gecko

maybe too soon after his death

themed after a negative political figure that had a recent assassination

11:19 PM

i think its enough grounds for deletion

Never saw the level but thought it had a lot of image 2 gd in it

yea i mean if i’d seen it i’d have brought it up here at minimum

idk about account deactivation but yea

also had a structure getting shot in the "neck" (never saw it and it was a structure so like idk)

yea that seems a bit far

gecko

just guessing why it would have been deleted

the song generally is associated with making fun of charlie kirks death as opposed to stuff like trump circles just being a level based off the president of the time which is like nothing burger

better way would be to just upload ban someone instead of fully banning but idk the details so

Chloe 🥀

the song generally is associated with making fun of charlie kirks death as opposed to stuff like trump circles just being a level based off the president of the time which is like nothing burger

Yea this too

I think its fair to remove that level

yea

definitely

Ain’t the song nong

ya

Electro

98595006 easy demon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkPBno0PnJw

Wondering, is there any reason this was skipped again? I feel like it's a pretty decent level, especially for being a platformer made around the start of 2.2. I'm pretty sure this has been suggested a few other times and also got skipped, + its prob the most sent unrated plat right now and has been for a while. Idk, maybe I'm just overthinking things and maybe it's just gotten extremely unlucky everytime, I just think it would be pretty nice to see this rated, it's a solid level and also from someone without creator points yet.

the creator killed 3 people back in 2016

3:45 AM

in other words, theres probably no particular reason

It's not being rated

4:27 AM

RobTop skips it

4:27 AM

He has definitely seen it from sends before too but I have sent it directly as well

4:28 AM

So it's time to let it go, nothing we can do in that regard

And obviously this shouldn't be talked about anywhere, I'm just letting you know so you don't send it every time and expect a different result

Viprin

And obviously this shouldn't be talked about anywhere, I'm just letting you know so you don't send it every time and expect a different result

Gotcha, I did want to know if that was the case to not send it again whenever you ask for demons, thx

man thats sad

RIP

Dont worry guys, we still have labubu rooms to submit

5

real

curious what robs thought process is when rejecting a level that seems fine like this

I wonder if its 2.2 gdps

6:50 AM

or was

ngl i feel like we are far enough into real 2.2 now that any potential advantage someone making priv server stuff had is irrelevant

Sley

ngl i feel like we are far enough into real 2.2 now that any potential advantage someone making priv server stuff had is irrelevant

moreso about the potential that they have broken stuff in it or old editor stuff i think

7:06 AM

even though id generally agree

oh

7:06 AM

i mean if they work in game that should be enough then right

sometimes he just doesn't like a level for specific reasons

7:08 AM

but he will not say for specific levels when he can't do for all

7:08 AM

that's why it's better to just leave it unknown if he skipped or not (edited)

fair

happened to hundreds of levels

it does kinda suck that the creator will never know tho yk, though ig they will probably realise eventually

✨mbed✨

the creator killed 3 people back in 2016

?????????

7:37 AM

wtf

7:38 AM

they're in prison i assume?

5

ye they got 40 years without parole

Sley

it does kinda suck that the creator will never know tho yk, though ig they will probably realise eventually

yeah, ideally we would have a system where robtop/moderators can give feedback and the creator can improve it to get a rate (or even better rate)

7:50 AM

but that isn't the case now so gotta make the best of it

Viprin

yeah, ideally we would have a system where robtop/moderators can give feedback and the creator can improve it to get a rate (or even better rate)

this would be really good

im not sure if i like it tbh, it already feels like many people care more about the rating their levels will get rather than the level itself, there are times when creators would update their levels many times in hopes of getting a rate, which they wouldnt have done if the level got rated initially, and im not saying people shouldnt update their levels after recieving feedback, but the only motive behind it being getting a certain rate rubs me the wrong way

8:02 AM

creating has become so rate-centric and its really sad to see, especially when its something completely out of their control

ye

8:06 AM

im always a massive advocator for just applying feedback on ur next level

8:06 AM

instead of touching a level up like its the ship of theseus

i think if a level has issues its completely fine to fix it, like bugs or smt, but endlessly trying to improve it in hopes of a rate is what i dont like

^

you don't have to focus on the rate aspect

8:11 AM

but a better way for moderators or other players to give feedback (e.g. longer comments) could help creators make the experience better

8:11 AM

some creators like improving their level continuously

8:12 AM

the main point is that the game is very bad for giving feedback

8:12 AM

you need to use other platforms which a lot of people may not

8:13 AM

and the feedback can also just be considered for the next level like you said, if you don't want to update

ye fair

Viprin

And obviously this shouldn't be talked about anywhere, I'm just letting you know so you don't send it every time and expect a different result

will we get this kind of confirmation for any other levels? i think there’s a few i see reoccurring a lot with no rate & would be very nice to be able to submit other things in place of them

8:23 AM

3 that come to mind are caveofthescarletsky, decks dark & based after based

if you have sent the levels multiple times, you can kinda guess

8:23 AM

i'm not skipping anything

got it

8:23 AM

was never certain if every level submitted was sent through or not

1

i had an idea before that people would probably hate but i highkey think would be awesome is a feature that just notifies a creator “robtop has seen your level <>” the amount of people with 50+ sends who don’t seem to realize its over is staggering

i don't think robtop would wanna add that at all because he prefers leaving people in the dark

9:41 AM

rather than being questioned for not rating something and such

i think the tricky thing with leaving people in the dark is that you get to a point where its kinda obvious robs seen it and just decided to not rate it

9:41 AM

like when it has tons and tons of sends (edited)

9:42 AM

makes those creators confused / question why

well we all thought chainsaw y wasnt going to get rated as it was checked by robtop some time ago

9:42 AM

but i guess he had a change of mind on it? idk

wcropolix

wcropolix i can see why it got rated after all that time, seeing that the standards have been lowered quite a bit when comparing to 2.1

Sley

i think the tricky thing with leaving people in the dark is that you get to a point where its kinda obvious robs seen it and just decided to not rate it

yeah but he prefers this rather than letting every single person he skipped the level of know

9:45 AM

much less

9:46 AM

and you can still think he hasn't seen it yet even with many sends

Viprin

yeah but he prefers this rather than letting every single person he skipped the level of know

I feel like if people knew rob skipped the level they would just reupload

would that work though

9:54 AM

i know it can get you some sends from same mods who dont mind reuploads but i dont think it benefits in case of robtops judgement on the level

probably not

it has worked in the past

but they'll still try

see i was right, people would probably hate it, ie robtop

the tricky thing is really just that some levels he seeminlgy decides not to rate seem like pretty agreeable “this could be rated” levels that he just happens to pass on

10:40 AM

which we saw with chainsaw y and then apparently he had a change of heart on it later

10:41 AM

for many people it’s difficult to assume robtop would choose not to rate these levels when they’re almost universally agreed upon to be at least “okay” because, well why would he?

10:42 AM

so they get to 40 sends or whatever and because their level is very inoffensive and agreed upon to be fine for rate they never assume rob would say no

I would say that there is something unknown to us and not just not hitting a certain quality standard that he looks for

this is why i said id like to know his thought process behind denying these levels

since if you glance at awarded you’ll find some really really low quality levels still rated, so there must be some underlying factor behind these specific levels remaining unrated

im curious if it goes past him just personally not being a big fan

mag

I would say that there is something unknown to us and not just not hitting a certain quality standard that he looks for

if there is some unknown factor i find it odd that we as moderators wouldnt be aware of it

definitely

10:51 AM

but the quality differences between some of these apparently rejected levels and some rated ones are so large that I can’t get myself to think its just a “i didnt like it” type deal

there are 100% things robtop considers that moderators don't, for example levels with 1M objects getting many sends in the past which he would never rate

10:52 AM

a more recent example is using image to gd hacks, which he does not want to endorse at all

10:52 AM

since it is mostly used for porn

10:53 AM

aside from that, there are times when he just doesn't like a level that much, and if the sends were already quite low like rate only he may pass

if its stuff like that that leads to a level overall being denied i dont really see any harm in the creator knowing "rob decided not to rate this level because x"

but robtop does not want to give out reasons

like the image to gd hack or high obj count stuff

we do not control that

well yeah

10:54 AM

not much we can do abt that ig

10:54 AM

i still do think it sucks to leave those creators in the dark

10:55 AM

is it mentioned in the faq that factors such as using image to GD hacks or having really high object counts could restrict levels from being rated?

10:56 AM

i assume it is

hacks in general

10:57 AM

also mentioned directly in-game

10:57 AM

and in a document about the rating system

10:57 AM

it is also made clear everywhere that rates are entirely at robtop's discretion and you will not get any more information

ok lit

11:05 AM

is obj count mentioned at all?

11:05 AM

i feel like thats a pretty major one since its also completely vanilla

ye

11:08 AM

Finally, the level should perform relatively well. Levels with high density of objects, for example, may lead to lag for players on certain platforms. If the performance of your level is too bad, this may stop it from getting rated. Other times, it may lead to a lower rating tier.

11:08 AM

Rating System doc

11:09 AM

Optimized performance is also mentioned in the editor guide as a general tip for getting a rate

Viprin

a more recent example is using image to gd hacks, which he does not want to endorse at all

honestly glad about that because the only usage ive seen as of late has been done in bad ways exclusively

11:10 AM

either be just some random meme that is disconnected from the level, stupid shit or straight up NSFW

1

yee

wouldnt even be opposed to it being completely disallowed atp because of how maliciously its used

we can't mention it specifically anywhere

awesome

would advertise it too much

Yeah

remember that you guys don't have to worry about these things though

11:26 AM

robtop will see when he decides to rate or not

11:27 AM

but this is why the suggestions of X sends guaranteeing a rate (like automatically) will never happen

11:27 AM

moderators only suggest levels for rate, not decide anything

11:27 AM

it's robtop's game

11:28 AM

and he has other things to consider like performance, inappropriate content, etc. for the millions of players

i mostly just feel bad for the people more than anything

11:45 AM

but if thats his decision so be it

11:46 AM

not necessairly a big deal for me personally

to be honest for stuff like performance and inappropriate content i mostly see the creators being able to reason why their level isn't rated yet

12:03 PM

but yeah there are some borderline cases where it's impossible to know

12:03 PM

for now no solution to that sadly

12:04 PM

at least i often see those creators making more levels that get rated down the line

yea i dont see the need to stick to getting one level rated instead of just trying to move on and make more stuff

12:05 PM

still interesting to wonder why rob declines specific stuff but either way the world wont end so

pretty sure artismvpn quit the game anyway so

a lot of people are obsessed with getting very old levels rated which i guess is fun to see when it happens but most of those people quit long ago

12:07 PM

i definitely understand why robtop prioritizes new levels most of the time

12:07 PM

12:08 PM

aside from the fact that new levels use new features and follow newer standards (edited)

Viprin

a more recent example is using image to gd hacks, which he does not want to endorse at all

i wonder if there's a way to detect object patterns used in image2gd to unlist levels automatically

i like old rates mostly cuz i like old levels tbh

CheYuriy

i wonder if there's a way to detect object patterns used in image2gd to unlist levels automatically

i think this is where the unlisted "bug" comes from actually

they have their own charm that basically no one can replicate anymore

Waffl3X

i think this is where the unlisted "bug" comes from actually

️

12:13 PM

i'm not sure

12:13 PM

but who knows (edited)

even years back i tried uploading smth that uses image2gd and it kept getting unlisted

isnt it getting unlisted due to a high amount of objects in one place

maybe coincidence

necter

i like old rates mostly cuz i like old levels tbh

also for old levels I personally mostly consider that if an old level looks great and could actually compete with 2.2 rates then it's absolutely fine to rate it

12:15 PM

but i don't rlly lower my standards when looking at a 1.9 level

12:15 PM

prefer to have the same expectations for any update

i usually view them from a perspective "if this level were to be rated years ago it'd be an insane banger"

12:16 PM

kinda like... the 12 year old me would be in awe seeing this haha

yee i get u

12:16 PM

i'm more like "if this was a 2.2 level would i still send it"

i still remember seeing lucid dream by dverry in the magic tab being shocked how 1.9 worked at the time

but with 1.9 limitations it does set the bar quite high

even as a very oldgen player im just not too interested in older levels, its always cool to see them rated but in reality a lot of them dont play well and the creator of them probably quit 10 years ago lol

12:17 PM

asd42 is an exception to me cause their levels were literally funnygame levels of revolutionary and none got rated

12:17 PM

had no recognition

the way older levels get rated now seems alright imo, uncommon but also not super rare as it happens every once in a while

12:18 PM

we'll run out of good old levels soon at some point anyway insan

"bug"

12:21 PM

what do you think image2gd is used for 99.9% of the time

Viprin

what do you think image2gd is used for 99.9% of the time

cute animals

12:23 PM

yea

12:23 PM

i honestly don't see any valid and serious reason to use it for a level you want to be rated

yea i dont like usage of it at all

it's lazy

12:24 PM

i've seen maybe 1 or 2 cool uses of it from what i can remember

i don't think there is any world where you need to rip an image into the game

there was also a case of someone using it for a background decoration already as well

everything else is just random logos or images

like maybe there has been 10 cases where the person drew something themselves and wanted it in the game

12:24 PM

but the vast majority is not

12:24 PM

and at that point you should just make it inside the game

imo your own logo is the best use

CheYuriy

everything else is just random logos or images

those anime logos...

but even then it always looks off

12:25 PM

imo let robtop handle the automation of stuff in editor like the autobuild

spu7nix did make rlly good use of an image2gd software but it was different

12:26 PM

i think he even made the software himself

12:26 PM

for the animated logo and stuff

it was also an unique concept at the time

12:26 PM

now people just use a tool and its whatever

the only levels that use img2gd right are KRITA and spu7nix levels

but then? spu7nix had to sweat his ass out to code it all himself and do the logo

i know a friend of mine has also made his own program to transfer images into gd, he does this with his 1.9 levels iirc

Viprin

"bug"

gbug

instead of using img2gd they should be making these bangers

Viprin

i honestly don't see any valid and serious reason to use it for a level you want to be rated

i like it for memes that directly relate to the levels theme (like “Worlds Longest Dash” referencing the Crispy Fries meme where you hold a dash orb for the whole level)

12:50 PM

but yea generally not great

12:51 PM

why is the image not sending

gecko

why is the image not sending

it got unlisted bug

4

its peak

12:51 PM

this levle is banger

12:52 PM

i laughed so hard after finding out you could hold

bendeen my goat

oh yea i saw this level

proud og fan ✋

really?

12:53 PM

i've been watching him the last like 5 months

12:53 PM

12:54 PM

newgen fan

12:54 PM

i did watch the crispy fries video years ago

1

12:54 PM

but then i randomly got a new video recommended 5 months

12:54 PM

and since then i've been watching like all his new videos

12:54 PM

he's chill

yea hes like the only food ytber i watch cuz hes so chill

ye

12:55 PM

i've tried watching others but they're kinda disgusting sometimes

been watching him since the fasting stuff

but he just eats good food and talks

i've been watching this one lately

12:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/@alexandertheguest

Alexander The Guest

I take you to some of the world’s most exclusive restaurants. My name is Alexander. I’m the owner of a Michelin-starred restaurant called 42. I love fine dining, good wine, and sharing what I’ve learned with others. And that’s where you come in. So join me — and welcome to Alexander the Guest. tags: Fine Dining, Michelin star, Chefs,...

some good stories

Viprin

i've tried watching others but they're kinda disgusting sometimes

yea yapping with food in your mouth and demolishing everything everywhere kinda gross

kinda love fine dining so that hits a spot

12:56 PM

️

theres also reviewbrah but i dont enjoy it that much so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoMlvFWrZ6s this one's insane for instance

Alexander The Guest

THE CRAZIEST MEAL EVER: 50 Courses in 6 Hours for $700/person! - Al...

bendeen is an og goat for me

12:57 PM

i watched him before crispy fries

bendeen is awesome

1:00 PM

i mainly just watch kitchen nightmares over and over again if im in the mood for food related shows lol

1:00 PM

but i do sometimes tap into bens videos too

1:01 PM

cus hes great

750524 - unsearchable levels

oo really cool list concept

202014 - RobTop looks at us

1:11 PM

630447 - Misrated levels

1:12 PM

A few more funny lists, tried picking ones with less levels

1:12 PM

If any of these concepts repeat then sorry eyesHD

1:13 PM

Ah I forgot I released one too, Fun Easy Classics - 975573

CheYuriy

?????????

oh i was just sayin sum bullshit

1:17 PM

mbed was the person in the car who ran over gawne

is that not just the featured tab as a list

is it really

basically

from the screenshot they do all seem to be very very recent levels

I think it's hall of fame rather than featured tab but yeah

4:01 PM

I'm gonna remove that then

4:07 PM

277518 - may the force be with you

is this a thing?

Auck

is this a thing?

could ask them to refresh login or save then log out + in

8:02 PM

usually fixes stat issues like beating unrated levels that go on to get rated so maybe will fix that too

8:03 PM

ive definitely got some secret way stars and my stuff updates fine

580532 - Man i love frogs

643644 - Estilo Musica

gecko

could ask them to refresh login or save then log out + in

thx :)

this is just a vpn issue, right?

kreno

this is just a vpn issue, right?

Most likely

alright

Did the img2gd restrictions update or something? A person I know uploaded a level containing some img2gd stuff and their level got wiped off the servers instantly and now they cannot upload anything

8:23 AM

I checked the level itself and it has nothing harmful in it, just some plants vs zombies assets

not sure

8:54 AM

did img2gd get an update recently?

8:54 AM

something in an update could be messing w servers

Later on they could upload the level again but it had the usual unlisted "bug"

9:03 AM

Told them to remove img2gd stuff and now it works all fine

9:03 AM

Idk what happened previously lol

necter

Idk what happened previously lol

maybe rate limited?

2:37 AM

And the creator just never responded after that fhsjfhjdh

2:37 AM

(For reference - turn on ldm)

happens too often sadly

2:38 AM

don’t think every creator verify their stupidly hard coins legit

arcanin

don’t think every creator verify their stupidly hard coins legit

See the thing is the 'sub-level' with the coins is literally just a shitpost ultra impossible level that has no relation whatsoever to the original level (edited)

9:19 AM

so mods if you ever get to requested their level dont do it

9:19 AM

their rated level seems to be all stolen ones

did they just fake deleting their account

Original: 122522948 Stolen: 128498124

9:20 AM

Original: 123845832 Stolen: 128889055

9:21 AM

Original ones aren't rated yet so wondering if we can get stolen ones unrated and rate the original ones

9:21 AM

do I dm this to rob

wont hurt to i think

9:21 AM

go for it

️

rob got messages from me and spark already but seems to miss them or smth

SnowEye

do I dm this to rob

Ye, in this case you need to dm rob

SnowEye

Original ones aren't rated yet so wondering if we can get stolen ones unrated and rate the original ones

How long have they been rated for?

11:35 AM

Would be rlly good if moving levels from one account to another was done in these cases

CheYuriy

How long have they been rated for?

4:54 PM

one was 4 days ago another was 12 days

Thank you rob case solved now ❤️

Hello can someone allow me to delete this level from my profile 129101201

Vortrox

Hello can someone allow me to delete this level from my profile 129101201

you can request level deletion in #reports

12:44 AM

usually requires a comment from uploader but for your own request it’s probably fine without (edited)

Vortrox

Hello can someone allow me to delete this level from my profile 129101201

deleted, but yea ask in #reports next time

12:01 PM

apparently this level has stolen assets from cicada3302

12:01 PM

12:03 PM

wait nevermind i didnt notice its sampling levels lol

12:04 PM

but it doesnt say it anywhere

12:04 PM

its just using stuff from popular levels

12:04 PM

saw change of scene stuff too (edited)

12:05 PM

there is this at the start but i wouldnt say thats inspiration but stealing

necter

Click to see original message

this takes assets from like every big level ever

12:08 PM

realistically should be rated down

yeaaa i agree

close enough welcome back the yatagarasu

GDAN 2 - 1024472

6

Cool IDs - 1000000 List of levels with notable IDs robtop has already seen this as he commented on it so might be redundant to send here but thought i would regardless !!

8

4:53 PM

Anyone know about this?

wasnt this discussed here

SnowEye

Click to see attachment 🖼️

@Ryder

4:57 PM

it was!

Ok long as it was handled already

Ryder

Ok long as it was handled already

yup originals got rated

5:02 PM

and stolens are deleted by rob

Cool, thanks

Hey, can we send azure by eeddy back up to hard demon? It currently has a t12 on the gd ladder with the large majority of players giving it a hard demon rating (t11-t15). It's a short but skill heavy nine circles level that very good players could probably sightread with ease

Hexagon

Hey, can we send azure by eeddy back up to hard demon? It currently has a t12 on the gd ladder with the large majority of players giving it a hard demon rating (t11-t15). It's a short but skill heavy nine circles level that very good players could probably sightread with ease

You got a video of it?

Ryder

You got a video of it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly6u46B1Axg

Tuxu

Azure by eEddy (hard demon) - Geometry Dash

What is it now? Insane Demon?

medium demon

???

11:04 AM

Doesn't even LOOK medium

lots of really good players have been beating it in under 30 attempts

this is the hardest medium demon i have ever played

11:05 AM

ohh

icl i beat this when it wasnt rated yet and i can lowkey see medium demon

11:05 AM

didnt know it got rated tho

Its a super unbalanced level

im also wave carried as hell so there's that

I just cant see it being easier than nine circles and jawbreaker

There's no world this is medium

devilmine would call this an easy demon Troll

Its very flukable because its kinda got that poltergeist thing happening where some parts are just ridiculously easy, but then other parts are a lot harder.

cparc (only urgent report tags)

icl i beat this when it wasnt rated yet and i can lowkey see medium demon

for reference it took me slightly more attempts than an average easy demon takes me

11:06 AM

about 30 odd attempts total

I did t17 first blood that same day and it took me a mere 30 attempts more than azure...

11:07 AM

but I'm also very wave deficient

ye i feel like this one defo depends on ur wave skill

11:07 AM

cus the last 40% or so are literally like 6*

11:07 AM

Im just super mid at wave compared to every other gamemode

11:08 AM

Oh both the cube sections are free

11:08 AM

it's really just random moments like this wave corridor in 4x, or some awkwardly aligned saws. It's a chokepoint wave

ye thats fair

Because fsr they decided to use the same gaps in 2x, 3x, and 4x

took me 77 attempts which is insane for something so readable

i think overall in a broader sense this should probably be hard demon

compare this to actual wave medium demons and its absurd lol

Its a very flukable hard demon, imo

replayed jawbreaker for the first time in forever and there is no shot azure is easier than this

i thought jawbreaker should be medium demon when i beat it on 60hz mobile 5 years ago

11:13 AM

azure is way harder

Its best comparison for medium NC demons would probably be The Realistic by softable

Solar Circles is a good one

And Azure is definitely still harder, although not by too too much

11:19 AM

Really, its just that most medium demon waves can't compare too much with Azure, although they all have harder non-wave segments because fsr Azure just has like 6 star gameplay outside the waves lmao

cparc (only urgent report tags)

devilmine would call this an easy demon Troll

i have news for you

gecko

ohh

i dont get any thought process of calling this anything below hard demon ngl LOL

11:33 AM

it literally took me 4 attempts but it was genuinely very difficult and i cant imagine anyone at the medium demon skill level to do this at all

11:33 AM

1000% a hard demon

"umm but i found it easy therefore its objectively easy"

oh true

yea like for me i can feel a levels difficulty even if im beating it quickly

NGL i have never discussed this but I feel that sometimes mods are very very irresponsible with sending demons up/down and ive seen so many rerates that mods do without any base to it just off of their own opinion which is just always a bad idea

stuff like sweater weather has absolutely absurd ship parts that far surpass insane demon level to me even if i didnt even take an hour on it

if i send anything up or down i thoroughly check opinions of many people i cant get why a lot of people dont it feels very much like people abuse that rating up/down power quite often

11:35 AM

causes a lot of confusion and frustration among people a lot

should be based on both your opinion and others

11:36 AM

and imo you should have beaten the level yourself before rerating (edited)

yeah

bad to go only from your own opinion and bad to go only from other people's opinon

arcanin

should be based on both your opinion and others

this i disagree with, its your send button so you send it for what you and only you think

11:37 AM

the community can vote demon difficulty

11:37 AM

as well

11:37 AM

but you should only send demon difficulty if youve beaten the level yeah

cparc (only urgent report tags)

the community can vote demon difficulty

on levels that arent that popular (like azure) that is just never happening

if you think a level deserves insane demon while the vast majority think its extreme, then it shouldn't be extreme just because the mod thinks it is

never gonna get enough votes to go back up without mod help (edited)

its your send button but its much more impactful

11:38 AM

your send effectively represents the levels difficulty at that point

if i kept using my send button how i did pre-mod people would be outraged

cparc (only urgent report tags)

the community can vote demon difficulty

almost no impact compared to one mod send

acting like it isnt different is crazy

11:39 AM

i have some very silly insane demon ops on extremes and vice versa

levels that are entirely based on skill level are weird

11:39 AM

because good players can beat them instantly and not so good players are unable to beat them

the absolute best thing to do and the only way you should use that demon send button is to use both your opinions and others solid opinions

1

11:39 AM

any other use of it is very irresponsible imo

i usually bump up my opinion a rating when i feel a level is extremely skill level based

cause you are effectively representing more than just ur opinion

sink

i usually bump up my opinion a rating when i feel a level is extremely skill level based

i just abstain

Chloe 🥀

the absolute best thing to do and the only way you should use that demon send button is to use both your opinions and others solid opinions

this i disagree with

11:40 AM

i think the demon button rating is for whatever a mod thinks a level should be rated

11:40 AM

they can base it off others if theyd like but i dont think it's required

what a mod thinks is directly gonna be what the level becomes in most cases though

11:41 AM

because the button has so much more impact

yeah and we are trusted to form such opinions

so its just based off of 1 mods opinion

we've had instances before where some mods have sent demon diffs not according to just their own opinion and it has caused many issues

I'm pretty sure my button is covered in cobwebs but also I think it makes sense to either be just yor opinion or a mix of others TRUSTED opinions and your own

cparc (only urgent report tags)

yeah and we are trusted to form such opinions

opinions on difficulty are so variable that basing it off of 1-2 people is almost always not good regardless of trust or not

cparc (only urgent report tags)

devilmine would call this an easy demon Troll

i thought it was like lower end hard demon/high end medium tbh

cparc (only urgent report tags)

we've had instances before where some mods have sent demon diffs not according to just their own opinion and it has caused many issues

These were people just blindly using the opinions of others and not their own included iirc

cparc (only urgent report tags)

we've had instances before where some mods have sent demon diffs not according to just their own opinion and it has caused many issues

well the mod themselves have to be responsible and use trusted opinions rather than like the comment section or wtv

i just compared it to nine circles

nothing can go wrong if you do that responsibly

its easier than it to me

11:43 AM

but it can go very wrong just rating it yourself

11:43 AM

cause outlier opinions are common

I think if you have the skill to rate them yourself then using your own opinion is fine

wave levels are disproportionately harder for the wider community

Or even are just good at using your eyes and judging

i was very surprised when i saw the unofficial easy demon list agree that zxcircles was one of the hardest easy demons

cparc (only urgent report tags)

we've had instances before where some mods have sent demon diffs not according to just their own opinion and it has caused many issues

I recently completed toe2 v2 and muscle memory kicked in and I sent it for hard demon but apparently that caused it to be bumped down to medium for a little bit so people were going crazy

since i can just... 1 attempt it

Ryder

I think if you have the skill to rate them yourself then using your own opinion is fine

I think your opinion on difficulty is very valid and should be considered, but being the ONLY opinion is bad as it can lead to yourself just being an outlier, and rating something horribly wrong because you didnt find it the same as everyone else

sink

i was very surprised when i saw the unofficial easy demon list agree that zxcircles was one of the hardest easy demons

same lol

but sure enough a lot of the comments of zxcircles are calling it medium demon

11:45 AM

wave levels just weird

depends on how visually flashing they are too tbh

i think both azure and zx have heavy ldms

feel like some ppl struggle a lot more with the ones that are hard to read

11:46 AM

ye azure has ultra hard ldm

11:46 AM

lol

Chloe 🥀

I think your opinion on difficulty is very valid and should be considered, but being the ONLY opinion is bad as it can lead to yourself just being an outlier, and rating something horribly wrong because you didnt find it the same as everyone else

It has the potential to go wrong yes but we have mitigations in place to resolve that

11:46 AM

Usually

11:46 AM

All it really takes is one Mod bringing it up here

they all get resolved in due time but i do think if it went by a system of your own opinion mixed with trusted opinions then it would never go wrong

what is a trusted opinion

That's essentially what happens now

11:47 AM

Though the "trusted opinion" part is what changes

sink

what is a trusted opinion

basically any opinion that isnt from the comment section

11:48 AM

and one that isnt obviously biased

11:48 AM

like wave player calling a wave lvl 2 difficulties easier or wtv

Under normal circumstances, it's the community + mod votes. Until it gets past a certain point

Chloe 🥀

I think your opinion on difficulty is very valid and should be considered, but being the ONLY opinion is bad as it can lead to yourself just being an outlier, and rating something horribly wrong because you didnt find it the same as everyone else

disagree

11:49 AM

I'd rather someone send it based off only their own opinion

the mod votes are like so insanely weighted compared to community votes to the point that community votes usually dont do that much for newest rates

than just trusting other people

Then it becomes solely mod input, and if a rating gets mis rated, then a mod brings up here and now the trusted opinions that were once community members gets shifted on to us

best way imo is to have a mix of player opinions and your own and then make an educated decision what would fit the level

the only time I EVER send a demon difficulty that isn't something I played is when someone I trust tells me something is underrated

11:49 AM

like if aeon says a demon should be extreme and isn't

Tony

the only time I EVER send a demon difficulty that isn't something I played is when someone I trust tells me something is underrated

is that not sending off of someone elses opinion then?

okay but can we rerate crimson clutter to extreme cuz that shit is top 1

11:50 AM

️

Yes

Chloe 🥀

is that not sending off of someone elses opinion then?

It is but that's why I specified a very niche case

crimson clutter is so far from extreme

11:50 AM

not remotely close

If it's an easy-hard demon

lowkey crimson clutter is harder than many extremes i have beaten

I see no excuse to just trust other people

and also infinitely harder than sweater weather

11:50 AM

if you gonna take the time to send for difficulty just play it

sweater weather is miles harder than crimson

11:50 AM

miles

i see where u guys are coming from but i personally still think it should only be your own opinion because only you have been given the power to send demon difficulties, that power should not be divided amongst other people who are not mod

There is not a level called sweater weather bro

11:51 AM

i personally hard disagree

11:51 AM

crimson clutter is way harder

lowkey i would say crimson is very hard tier insane

11:51 AM

it is not that difficult

sweater weather is like mid tier insane demon lowk

maybe im wave carried idk

crimson clutter to me is closer to mid/high end beginner extreme than that

sink

sweater weather is like mid tier insane demon lowk

mid-low end tbh

11:51 AM

idk why its still extreme

i do not understand this discussion honestly. I view the demon difficulty button with its added weight in the same way as I see the mod sending button. It's a subjective perception of your thoughts on the level's difficulty. I get wanting to be considerate of other edge cases or factors that may sway difficulty decision but it should largely be your own holistic decision

some insane demons are really really hard

I think people care too much about stuff that's on the border of difficulty

11:52 AM

idk i personally have seen from instances a lot of irresponsible decisions coming from solely using your own opinion so still cant understand not using others opinions alongside yours

you gonna get the 10 stars bro

Tony

I think people care too much about stuff that's on the border of difficulty

ye lol

I mean... we are mods, and a part of the process of getting promoted is to ensure that candidates wouldn't be irresponsible

inf

i do not understand this discussion honestly. I view the demon difficulty button with its added weight in the same way as I see the mod sending button. It's a subjective perception of your thoughts on the level's difficulty. I get wanting to be considerate of other edge cases or factors that may sway difficulty decision but it should largely be your own holistic decision

the difference is that the difficulty send button has a much larger and more definitive impact than just a level send button

it really doesn't tho

It assuredly doesn't

i think considering opinion of others on a difficulty of a level is much more different than considering opinions on what rating the level should receive

it 100% does have a much bigger impact tho, one send from a mod defines a demons difficulty most the time

At the same time there's a lot of people suggesting a difficulty and not just mods, though mods have a stronger weight. Everyone's view on a level is subjective, but the goal of difficulty suggesting is to hopefully round up to a difficulty that feels more "objective"

Correct

depends on the level rlly

and that can be changed

difficulty of a level should be determined collectively

by other mods

and abuse of that button is against the guidelines

but if your low send results in a level getting e.g. star rate instead of epic, that level is cooked

11:54 AM

once its rated its rated

I sincerely can't fathom a mod giving their honest opinion being that far off of reality

Most Demon misrates are also not a result of Mods btw

11:54 AM

It is the community votes

Tony

and abuse of that button is against the guidelines

I would consider sending a level with little progress or clear bias to be abusing the button, which i have seen happen many times

It gets "fixed" because Mods step in

Ryder

Most Demon misrates are also not a result of Mods btw

also ppl botting them

11:54 AM

more recently

Truthfully these concerns feel like a non-issue at current state, and hasn't been an issue since Amoeba's demotion iirc

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Half the things I try to fix dont budge or they do and an hour later it gets put back to previous difficulty

Chloe 🥀

I would consider sending a level with little progress or clear bias to be abusing the button, which i have seen happen many times

I mean this could be coming from a discussion from here. Or honestly just someone who can tell the difficulty just from looking at it (edited)

Tony

I sincerely can't fathom a mod giving their honest opinion being that far off of reality

my life

inf

Truthfully these concerns feel like a non-issue at current state, and hasn't been an issue since Amoeba's demotion iirc

they have always been a small issue but never a non issue, its just something I felt like discussing as ive seen irresponsible usage

could you give an example if possible

^^^

11:56 AM

Or like what exactly is irresponsible

I can see why you'd consider someone playing a level briefly as inappropriate usage of the feature

11:56 AM

but that's definitely not abuse

11:57 AM

abuse is purposefully sending for a wrong difficulty

I personally only touch platformer demons as these are usually the ones that are misrated

Ryder

I mean this could be coming from a discussion from here. Or honestly just someone who can tell the difficulty just from looking at it (edited)

I wont name names but I did see mods send a level down without even doing as much as a pracitce run because like 2 other people said they think it should be lower, which is clearly irresponsible in my eyes, and this was while i was mod so i saw that it was not discussed at all

And not many mods pay attention

like kyoto sending cataclysm for easy demon to get it knocked to insane demon

Chloe 🥀

I wont name names but I did see mods send a level down without even doing as much as a pracitce run because like 2 other people said they think it should be lower, which is clearly irresponsible in my eyes, and this was while i was mod so i saw that it was not discussed at all

Tony

like kyoto sending cataclysm for easy demon to get it knocked to insane demon

Did that actual happen???

yeah

dude

I was in call with them

11:57 AM

LOL

Chloe 🥀

I wont name names but I did see mods send a level down without even doing as much as a pracitce run because like 2 other people said they think it should be lower, which is clearly irresponsible in my eyes, and this was while i was mod so i saw that it was not discussed at all

Who were the 2 other people?

common kyoto activities

Like random community members

this was ages ago obv

Mods?

11:58 AM

Pro players?

I get not wanting to snitch but the thing is, if this is true, then this is a discussion that needs to happen so that we can collectively make better decisions

Ryder

Who were the 2 other people?

friends within our friend group who werent mods or any of the sort

I see

they had a few extremes and iirc at the time one of them had beaten it and the other had like a few runs

inf

I get not wanting to snitch but the thing is, if this is true, then this is a discussion that needs to happen so that we can collectively make better decisions

Nah they can bring names to Maintenance then

was an extreme

No need to name drop

It was Sarin

Yeah idk I don't think it's really that serious

11:58 AM

there's been announcements about it before

11:59 AM

I wouldn't mind more specific guidelines on demon difficulty sends

But yeah that's potentially different and idk that Mod's thought process

but ultimately it's a self-solving problem

i send every demon i beat for easy demon because if i could beat the level it means its not hard

and always has been

But I would hope they have some other experience with the level

11:59 AM

Like at least they've seen it

✨mbed✨

i send every demon i beat for easy demon because if i could beat the level it means its not hard

Zobros mindset

the point of the system is to self-regulate

✨mbed✨

i send every demon i beat for easy demon because if i could beat the level it means its not hard

we love a self loathing king

But also if it's been under certain amount of Mod sends then the community votes will still have some impact

✨mbed✨

i send every demon i beat for easy demon because if i could beat the level it means its not hard

Crimson Citadel

inf

I get not wanting to snitch but the thing is, if this is true, then this is a discussion that needs to happen so that we can collectively make better decisions

generally I talked to those people about it and they seemed to be firm on the stance that they can just send for whatever they think which in that context would be fine if they atleast had beaten the levels

cparc (only urgent report tags)

we love a self loathing king

frantically mood-swinging between thinking im the best and im the worst

Ryder

Crimson Citadel

on god i thought this was a mid tier insane demon

That's because it is

But oh well

crimson clutter is harder

Crismon citadel would be medium demon without new ship physics

12:01 PM

sadly it's extreme

How have you beaten literally every level and still can't get used to new physics

12:01 PM

It's been 3 years or whatever

12:01 PM

(edited)

it's better now

Chloe 🥀

generally I talked to those people about it and they seemed to be firm on the stance that they can just send for whatever they think which in that context would be fine if they atleast had beaten the levels

I might be a bit slow so I apolgoize, but I take it that this is their stance yet defied it recently by suggesting a difficulty on the bases of other people's opinions, not their own?

Hexagon

Hey, can we send azure by eeddy back up to hard demon? It currently has a t12 on the gd ladder with the large majority of players giving it a hard demon rating (t11-t15). It's a short but skill heavy nine circles level that very good players could probably sightread with ease

my bad

12:02 PM

it appears gddl rejected my tier 6 opinion

12:02 PM

why

12:02 PM

they hate the truth

But yeah I think it would be impossible to avoid these demon diff "misrates" even if all Mods used some collective of their own + other opinions. Plus from the issue you described it sounds like they used others opinions just not their own

inf

I might be a bit slow so I apolgoize, but I take it that this is their stance yet defied it recently by suggesting a difficulty on the bases of other people's opinions, not their own?

their stance is that they can send it for whatever they think, and though that does take in other opinions, it doesnt take their own which is arguably worse

I think Tony said it early but it is designed to be a self solving system

Ryder

How have you beaten literally every level and still can't get used to new physics

Okay, to be fair, there is a non-negligible amount of creators who like to use old ship physics. And of course, almost none of them tell you which they are using which is always just so fun.

True

12:03 PM

Idk why bro made it a toggleable option

12:03 PM

RavingRafters

Okay, to be fair, there is a non-negligible amount of creators who like to use old ship physics. And of course, almost none of them tell you which they are using which is always just so fun.

yeah that's the worst part

Old physics trip me up tho

12:04 PM

I adjusted pretty quick to new physics

Trying to adapt between the two gets me killed more often than I'd like

RavingRafters

Okay, to be fair, there is a non-negligible amount of creators who like to use old ship physics. And of course, almost none of them tell you which they are using which is always just so fun.

I cant express my hatred for 2.2 levels using 2.1 ship

Mostly cause I built a demon level with it...

it sucks

If I ever make an extreme I will update the level constantly and the only thing Im going to change is the ship physics so people go crazy

just use 2.2 ship

I think new physics feel fantastic for new levels that aren't too hard

2.2 ship is only still as difficult as it is because its still so rarely used in anything above an easy demon

Rivers of Nazareth made me see how much they can fuck with old muscle memory though

i was doing a buildswap with a friend and they just kept on turning on old ship physics on everytime we swapped

(edited)

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New ship physics are piss easy to deal with because its literally just like normal ship

I absolutely despise that

12:05 PM

it should not be an option

12:05 PM

for new levels

i dont understand how ppl still are stuck struggling with it

I think Rob should make it so the server rejects new levels uploaded with old physics!

I agree

Tony

it should not be an option

1000% agree

only ones uploaded before 2.2

i think it shouldve never been toggleable tbh

Yeah it really fucking sucks and its only gonna get worse

almost every 2.2 extreme uses 2.1 ship its so frustrating lmao

Frankly I'd have gone further than rob and just nuked old physics

12:06 PM

and forced any issues to be fixed

it should be a player-side option

Disagree

12:06 PM

though

its different physics so yea would not be great

that's better than what we have now

12:07 PM

Not having any agency, being at the whims of creators being stupid

12:07 PM

is the worst outcome

Devilmine

i dont understand how ppl still are stuck struggling with it

10 years of unconscious muscle memory microadjustment will do that

I think it should just be 2.1 and before has 2.1 ship (as well as some sort of in-game warning for it??) and then 2.2 has non toggleable new physics

Just delete ship

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Tony

Frankly I'd have gone further than rob and just nuked old physics

i agree tbh

New physics are more intuitive, make more sense design-wise

Ok well I had no issue with it and I am an above average causal player so no one else should have issues!

tbh i like upside down ship being different and slightly less intuitive just for like subtle variety

i do still love the 2.1 system for upside down ship i think both are great

But of course, years of muscle memory with the heavy upside down is also kicking in, especially because the levels Ive been trying to beat are all pre-2.2

i just wish it could be consistent in anyy way

12:09 PM

so i dont get jumpscared by random 8 star

12:09 PM

having old ship

I think the craziest part was the dual ship physics

12:09 PM

I always knew smth was wrong with it

dual ship being fixed is amazing yeah

Its just weird trying to play post-2.2 difficult levels with the new physics

esp for 2 player

i also have an extreme demon that uses new ship physics Troll

Love the 2 ships ascending at vastly different rates

12:10 PM

2P ship is so funny

Apparently Rob said the dual ship physics were supposed to be the correct ones or smth

12:10 PM

No nvm I lied

12:10 PM

The upside down physics were the correct one (edited)

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i also have an extreme demon that uses new ship physics Troll

I was working on a Buff This remake that primarily focused on 2.2 ship control and that may be a thing in the future if i lock in lol

12:10 PM

would be funny

No it's because dual uses the old upside down ship physics iirc

12:10 PM

so when you're paying attention to the normal gravity ship in a dual

12:10 PM

it feels wrong

12:10 PM

smth along those lines

Yeah smth like that

Dual ship also having tungsten cubes tied to them

Honeslty idek how Rob could have possibly messed that up

12:11 PM

dual ship being noticeably heavier than rightside up solo ship (edited)

12:12 PM

And bro was like "No issues here!"

12:12 PM

Imagine this coulda been fixed in 1.8

12:12 PM

With 0 issues

It is kinda funny though

Lowkey did anyone know of this inconsistency before 2.1 lol

Become a dual and just have massive weights attached, was just really wild

We all knew about the dual ship

Chloe 🥀

their stance is that they can send it for whatever they think, and though that does take in other opinions, it doesnt take their own which is arguably worse

thanks for the context. Sorry was peeping a level drop a moment ago, but yeah that's not good

no worries

And there was a couple people who noticed the upsidedown ship

Ryder

Honeslty idek how Rob could have possibly messed that up

the bug has existed since 1.0 and he was always aware of it but just never fixed it

Oh

12:13 PM

Fantastic!!!

Idk if he was always aware of it tbh

12:14 PM

Cause I feel like realistcially he wouldn't have noticed until the dual came in

In that case that's definitely worth addressing but I also didn't really think this would lead to an extensive discussion because I felt it was kind of obvious that mods should be sending difficulty suggestions based primarily on their own opinion than anything else

Or maybe he did iidk

i’m still firm on the stance that new ship physics are far worse and not possible to normalise

I can't even really fathom that perspective

would have been possible if every level were converted to new physics but since that is not the case if i have any desire to get good at the game then learning the new physics is a waste of time when maybe 5/150 levels on the demonlist use them

it feels basically identical to me until the ship is upside down

12:17 PM

it's a bugfix more than anything

12:17 PM

Tony

it feels basically identical to me until the ship is upside down

it is identical for normal gravity

gecko

would have been possible if every level were converted to new physics but since that is not the case if i have any desire to get good at the game then learning the new physics is a waste of time when maybe 5/150 levels on the demonlist use them

thats not a case of new physics being bad tho thats just a case of the implementation being bad

right

12:17 PM

and then it makes upside down

12:17 PM

identical to normal gravity

we had the “bug” for 10 years

I don't see how that isn't objectively better

that is not a “hey guys i fixed a bug” that’s a “hey guys i fundamentally changed how this gamemode plays”

I think he meant the situation if far worse

12:18 PM

Than just not fixing the bug

gecko

that is not a “hey guys i fixed a bug” that’s a “hey guys i fundamentally changed how this gamemode plays”

Nope it sure is just fixing a bug

in many games bugs become features due to too much time passing to fix them

12:18 PM

Trackmania is a good example

I think having both physics able to be toggled is also objectively a bad thing

Tony

I think having both physics able to be toggled is also objectively a bad thing

for sure

12:19 PM

i am not inherently against fixing the bug

12:19 PM

i am against there existing 2 sets of physics

gecko

in many games bugs become features due to too much time passing to fix them

I think it's an inevitability with camera controls

I don't think they're worse by any means. From a design standpoint, it's just better outright, as it's more consistent. For feel, and of course, in implementation, it's tricky because it goes against years and years of muscle memory, because it was left that way for so long, but it can be learned. The biggest issue is that you're kind of just rolling the dice with new levels, because you don't know what physics you're gonna have to play with, since creators can just... toggle it.

no longer a guarantee of what it up and down

12:19 PM

I dislike the "bugs become features" argument

12:20 PM

because there's countless other examples of games being bugfixed after a long long period

it’s honestly insane to me that there are 2 physics cus the entire base game of 21 levels teach you 2.1 ship physics and then every new level throws that out the window

Even some of the companies and devs most known for the whole "bugs become features" thing still fix a good number of them.

i think jumper is a level where even newer players may notice the ship being heavier upside down, and definitely in hexagon force

That's why I said the old physics should have just been nuked

i would agree w that but it’d also break a ton of levels

would have been unequivocally a better option than what we have now

many beyond fixing

gecko

i would agree w that but it’d also break a ton of levels

then fix the levels

12:21 PM

had to do that anyways

At the very least, I don't think it should be so freely toggled.

there is a team that is actively fixing levels no?

i dont think u realise how badly it would mess up ship sections cus some parts are structured entirely around the way the old ship moves

12:22 PM

that’s not something you can just slap a fix on

12:22 PM

try fixing Lotus Flower for 2.2 ship physics

fixing levels that use old ship physics is an incomparable situation to typical bugfixes

12:22 PM

its not 'this click needs slightly altering'

12:23 PM

itd be completely restructuring thousands of levels

I don't think that outweighs the benefits of having everything fixed moving forward especially considering new features rely on the consistency of fixed ship physics

its factually an impossible task to fix old levels to fit 2.2 ship

12:24 PM

its not an option basically

12:24 PM

though would be preferrable but it just cannot be

many people have told me i can just learn the new physics but for me that involves throwing out my years of muscle memory, i have tried on many occasions and every single time i become terrible at 2.1 ship for a solid week until i re-adapt, i cannot learn both types

In that case I'd prefer it be something that has to be done by Rob/some chosen group of people on a case by case basis

12:26 PM

and given some kind of indication

and for me who strives to improve myself at the game that leaves me only one option as no notably difficult levels use the new physics and they never will because top players do not like them (edited)

I still think the ability to toggle it for new levels should just be revoked.

even then its too late for that tbh

RavingRafters

I still think the ability to toggle it for new levels should just be revoked.

still a problem as people who have unfinished projects from 2.1 or verifications in the works need old ones

so kind of just a bad spot

if you polled the best players in the game you’d be hard pressed to find a single person who likes the new physics

gecko

if you polled the best players in the game you’d be hard pressed to find a single person who likes the new physics

not a fair thing to say at all because none of the levels they play use them

12:28 PM

not a good comparison

gecko

still a problem as people who have unfinished projects from 2.1 or verifications in the works need old ones

Even then, they were created in 2.1 before the toggle was added, before the new ship physics, they should just be defaulted to the old. Anything else would be an issue from Rob's part.

Lia

not a fair thing to say at all because none of the levels they play use them

but they do and have played levels with new ones

12:29 PM

there are list demons with new physics and almost every time i see a completion of one they make a comment on the physics

top players are also not the entire playerbase

12:29 PM

im not saying they dont matter

the easier the levels get the less the physics matter

but they shouldn't be the only ones that matter

12:30 PM

I think having old ship physics in new 2.2 levels serves to be very confusing for new players

most the time top players opinions on physics are always "this is bad for me" rather than "this is bad for the gams" so i dont really care about those critiques that i see from them

which is a problem now ANYWAYS unfortunately

12:30 PM

that's why it's the worst of both situations

Chloe 🥀

most the time top players opinions on physics are always "this is bad for me" rather than "this is bad for the gams" so i dont really care about those critiques that i see from them

^

The majority do still have and use old physics, so its still requiring a lot of swapping. But just like with top play, also have to consider that the mid-level is kind of suffering a lot from the unpredictability of it, because there is no way to know what physics are in use until you get to said parts unless the level tells you outright, and it's still a lot of swapping back and forth

Chloe 🥀

most the time top players opinions on physics are always "this is bad for me" rather than "this is bad for the gams" so i dont really care about those critiques that i see from them

i don’t think you can disregard their opinions just because they may word it differently

not to generalize at all but i just think a lot of list players can be very much selfish about the game and do not really care about what happens as long as it benefits top play and benefits them

It's just not a good experience for anyone, imo. (edited)

Chloe 🥀

not to generalize at all but i just think a lot of list players can be very much selfish about the game and do not really care about what happens as long as it benefits top play and benefits them

i don’t believe it is selfish to expect one of the parts of the conmunity that has done some of the heaviest lifting in keeping the game alive to be treated at least decently by game updates

Chloe 🥀

most the time top players opinions on physics are always "this is bad for me" rather than "this is bad for the gams" so i dont really care about those critiques that i see from them

"this is bad for me because it requires change and lets me beat levels slower"

gecko

i don’t believe it is selfish to expect one of the parts of the conmunity that has done some of the heaviest lifting in keeping the game alive to be treated at least decently by game updates

despicable argument

most top players unfortunately are EXTREMELY allergic to change i feel like

gecko

i don’t believe it is selfish to expect one of the parts of the conmunity that has done some of the heaviest lifting in keeping the game alive to be treated at least decently by game updates

its selfish to treat that as the most important part of the game

I hate the notion that top players are keeping the game alive

i think creating and top play are by far the 2 biggest factors that kept the game going all this time

That's an opinion

everything keeps this game alive

12:33 PM

rating levels, mods, creators, top players

12:33 PM

nothing carries the game at all

I would argue content about the game has as much or greater impact

12:33 PM

see: Jynxzi

yeah everything plays a part but think about what people interact with the most in the game

gecko

yeah everything plays a part but think about what people interact with the most in the game

The levels that they play

12:34 PM

in the video game

content creation plays a big part and its just the alignment that content creation is done by a few top players

12:34 PM

relation != causation

gecko

i think creating and top play are by far the 2 biggest factors that kept the game going all this time

people wouldnt create if it wasnt for casual players playing their levels and as a result the entire general playerbase contributes equally to the existence of the game

You're trying to tell me that the top 0.0001% of players and the top 0.0001% of levels

12:34 PM

are what keep 10s of thousands of people playing the game

top play does not do any heavy lifting its just one of the key parts to the games success

It isn't insignificant obviously

top play does bring in a lot of people as its definitely something of interest from newer players to look at

12:35 PM

people always will like to see the hardest stuff and the best players

12:35 PM

but thats just 1 part of it

but top play being an important part of the community does not mean the opinions of top players on the direction of the game hold any particular value over others

Chloe 🥀

people always will like to see the hardest stuff and the best players

the thing is the top play getting crazier has no impact on this realistically

12:36 PM

people getting into the game that think the hardest stuff is cool would think just the same about bloodbath lol

12:36 PM

its all impossible looking to them

I think the progression of top play keeps people interested and the progression keeps it alive

12:36 PM

its hard to comprehend the difficulty esp now but its still interesting and brings up pretty popular discussions

yeah but objectively top players are not keeping the game alive

12:37 PM

i think

arguable for like late 2.1 that they did

12:37 PM

admittedly

the game is built in a way where it cannot survive without many core elements of the community

they arent but theyre respectable and are definitely a key part to the games success

because they definitely played a huge part there

12:37 PM

but since 2.2 its definitely not been the case as much

12:37 PM

they play a part in it but arent the sole reason

theres just no sole factor that makes any one bit of the game more important than others, except arguably creators

no creators would mean the game is dead so yeah

Late 2.1 was definitely like the most important time for it, just as the game was starting to feel really stale for people after so long of the exact same features

objectively creators are the one keeping the game alive

I think it's an effort of the entire community, all of the above needed to co-exist for the game to keep doing well. Easier levels for the whole playerbase, harder levels for the top players, and all of them for content creation

Devilmine

objectively creators are the one keeping the game alive

I also disagree with this

12:39 PM

to an extent

12:39 PM

If all the current creators quit new ones would show up

Creators keep content flowing, but there is no content if people don't play it, either. Any one factor disappearing will instantly cause ripples that hurt every other aspect tremendously.

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even if the quality dropped massively

Tony

If all the current creators quit new ones would show up

meant generally no creators but in what u say yes for sure

12:39 PM

would be interesting to see lowkey

12:39 PM

the game definitely cannot lose a single part of the community without significant effects on the activity of the playerbase

yee itll definitely have an effect

nah i definitely can think of things we can lose

12:41 PM

the mod team has got to go

Though tbf that argument works in all directions

true fuck the mod team

I fucking knew it mbed

even if every top player decided to quit overnight

So right for that tho

it would recover itself

🔊ModeratorReform

lmao

why is it tagging the vocal chat

you put a hashtag

I had no idea it did that lowkey

Tony

even if every top player decided to quit overnight

i find this funny cuz like, there is literally not a single person that has "completed" gd (atleast since 2013)

12:42 PM

so like the game just has infinite content

12:42 PM

essentially

12:42 PM

the game is alive forever for those willing to keep playing

12:43 PM

its like mario maker

Yeah, if it were just a quitting, then the communities would replace themselves with time. Now, it still wouldn't be good for the health of the game, don't get it twisted, but "the show must go on" and all that.

✨mbed✨

i find this funny cuz like, there is literally not a single person that has "completed" gd (atleast since 2013)

i wonder how much people will keep up with “completing” platformer mode

But really, the most important aspect of this game is the servers

You lose all online functionality, this game gonna spiral out of control pretty bad

because for the entire gamemode’s existence there has consistently been people 1-2 levels away from beating every rated plat

12:44 PM

many points where they had all

RavingRafters

But really, the most important aspect of this game is the servers

You lose all online functionality, this game gonna spiral out of control pretty bad

the crazy thing is nowadays i dont even think its true

12:44 PM

i think a core group of gd players would still exist

12:44 PM

through a mod menu with custom filesharing

people would use gdshare to share levels around if the servers eventually died

12:45 PM

probably migrate to some “official” gdps

like obviously the game would "die" but it wouldnt die

or maybe some widely used custom rating mod

They would use gdshare, but it would also put severe limits on it

even a "dead" gd would have an active community that any indie developer would DREAM of having

12:45 PM

im ngl

But notice that I said it would spiral out of control, not that it would completely die or cease to exist

i’d bet someone could make a “Servers” mod where people can drop gdshare files into it to “upload” them and it would be browsable

The numbers would drop dramatically

12:46 PM

In the same vein as people quitting overnight, sure a mod would appear

ppl would prolly recreate everything important

12:46 PM

game would defo die down fs

people make custom levels in shit like celeste and that requires downloading a bunch of external shit and the level-making isnt supported ingame or anything and they still have huge communities

12:47 PM

itd be the same with gd

But then if you were to go down the route of "this won't exist at all anymore, no replacement" then said mods would not exist, as a servers mod would never operate, and without some sort of server, the fake ratings wouldn't. So it would become entirely about the sub-communities built around GDShare specifically, and most likely, an website archive for all these files

12:48 PM

Much like with Celeste maps, or Clone Hero charts, that sort of thing

12:48 PM

It wouldn't entirely get rid of the game, but it would also be nowhere near as big.

12:49 PM

But thats the thing, any 1 thing removed, even some of the most important aspects, will never be able to kill the game outright.

12:49 PM

If your definition of it being dead is to have a playerbase of 0

that one yt channel archiving all rated gd levels is gonna be so cool for niche game fans 30 years from now

Assuming YT doesn't implode on itself, take the channel down, or have a better competitor in 30 years, assuming the channel does continue to upload and archive

true

Which, let's be real is looking increasingly unlikely, especially with how fast things change and move in modern society

if a current #1 player quit then there would just be a new #1 sooner or later but we will never get specific creating talent like jayuff back

imagine the exact game we have right now but if FunnyGame never existed

2:21 PM

thats like the spiderverse movie bit where they go to the fucked up dimension

2:22 PM

dark timeline

true

TAWOGD Season 1 1026059

3

oh that's a reference to peak in my mod chat

i know that s1 has 36 episodes, i made that mistake with adding 4 more levels on purpose

just been told that xCreatorGoal has been deleting any comment on their level stating anything in terms of supporting gay/lgbtq stuff on his new rate and anything related to their drama - was asked to forward it here, dont know what to think but its expected from them considering their history with their server

tbf creators can delete any comments they want

7:58 AM

not much we can do

7:58 AM

it just looks bad on them

7:58 AM

which is nice

Viprin

tbf creators can delete any comments they want

yee

7:59 AM

rob can theoretically disable their permission to delete comments considering he did it on a daily before

7:59 AM

but dont think its something we should get involved with either

let him dig his hole idk

7:59 AM

we dont need to be involved in that mess

ye

Ye only looks bad for him anyway

Enigma Gauntlet 1027175 (edited)

8:50 AM

my creation

Lia

Enigma Gauntlet 1027175 (edited)

oh youre the one sending these? eyesHD

yeah

8:53 AM

i wanted something other than a second feature no stars

8:53 AM

but couldnt think of any

8:54 AM

reordered them so that the difficulty faces go in order

Lia

Enigma Gauntlet 1027175 (edited)

bro misspelled enigma in game

cparc (only urgent report tags)

bro misspelled enigma in game

FUCK

9:22 AM

LOL

9:22 AM

TIME TO REUPLAOD

engima

reuploaded with new ID and edited the message

9:23 AM

i keep misclicking on #rateon-test when wanting to go to discussion

if u reupload i dont think the list should get rated

9:41 AM

engima is better

the name engima is an enigma in of itself

10:18 AM

Wake Up Its 2015 975735

10:18 AM

a few personal favourite levels made in editors pre-2.1

this is safe to remove from trending right

ye

would argue even deletion

10:45 AM

not the place for gd

6

kreno

this is safe to remove from trending right

remove it from trending and move it straight into sent!

7

Devilmine

would argue even deletion

i mean the level itself doesnt contain anything "bad" but the implication is there so yeahh (edited)

People really pushing the limits after Charlie Kirkles

1028354 - Moongrinding Done Quick

5:46 PM

with special dedication to @Viprin eyesHD

10k moons before 2.21?

given that 2.21 is in 2028

5:56 PM

maybe

will rob do 2.209 -> 2.2010 like java mc or 2.209 -> 2.2091

you say that like you know robtop bro

necter

you say that like you know robtop bro

bro thinks hes on the team

(edited)

necter

you say that like you know robtop bro

yeah?

5:59 PM

i'm his discord sidekick

6:00 PM

when i mentioned "nexter" tho

6:00 PM

bro was like "who?"

mhm yea yea

what do you think about that

keep telling that to yourself bro

viprin

6:01 PM

meanwhile you guys:

hey joker has a banger arc in the movie!! true goat..

6:02 PM

we all got that one friend jonkler

this movie is so peak bro i love the lego movies

necter

we all got that one friend jonkler

and his name is nexter

why so serious

6:03 PM

necter

why so serious

https://www.reddit.com/r/geometrydash/s/yuFphVPxGE man

From the geometrydash community on Reddit: "Israel Circles" is lowk...

Explore this post and more from the geometrydash community

Why

necter

https://www.reddit.com/r/geometrydash/s/yuFphVPxGE man

https://vxtwitter.com/SongFileHub/status/1999390177899479307?s=20 (edited)

Song File Hub (@SongFileHub)

I was looking up random shit in GD yesterday and i accidentally found the funniest level ever

No seriously what the hell is with creators naming their levels shit like these, encompassing politically controversial topics or involving people who have bad intentions

12:33 PM

I just saw a level on the trending tab named epstein circles

12:34 PM

The rate at which levels are uploaded with really bad titles is insane these days

@necter i got robtop to purge all current levels starting with "epstein"

1

1:05 PM

Perhaps going forward, if y'all see a level titled epstein, report it immediately (edited)

inf

No seriously what the hell is with creators naming their levels shit like these, encompassing politically controversial topics or involving people who have bad intentions

teenagers

Devilmine

Yo. I got DMED by a grooming victim earlier today and was asked to potentially get something done about this, Creator "Lexiso" apparently has groomed them while they were 15/16 and I got this document attached with proof. ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1alwZkjg8PSTg_kzPkB5VXwC7tKURsS2aWv_4BPRaegw/edit?usp=drivesdk ). That said Id argue that it would be more than enough to forward something to Rob and maybe get them blacklisted from rates further down the line potentially but I want to forward it here for further opinions and also just for awareness on this

im going to bump this because this person is still very active in spaces such as v+p and im not sure whether this situation was ever cleared up

4:34 PM

cus maybe not good to keep them in these spaces

having the info be public would make this easy but unfortunately once theyre gone it would raise a lot of suspicion which could potentially turn out badly

4:37 PM

i still think something could be done about it besides considering them to be ratebanned or whatever but i have no clue how such situation could be handled

best course would be for them to at least address the stuff first

4:39 PM

but they seem to be either oblivious or ignorant towards this

cparc (only urgent report tags)

but they seem to be either oblivious or ignorant towards this

i think they just dont know the info is out to us

maybe

it would be good to do something about that tho, but then the person who released the doc would have to give us permission

4:40 PM

wouldnt want for things to go out of control

for sure

but yea i am also still being dmd from them and its an incredibly weird situation for me (edited)

4:45 PM

cuz its kinda like i have to act like nothing happened but also i try to brush them off whenever possible

4:45 PM

since i dont feel comfortable

inf

@necter i got robtop to purge all current levels starting with "epstein"

And we’re back to one page worth of results bruh

might be better to just make the word blacklisted

inf

https://vxtwitter.com/SongFileHub/status/1999390177899479307?s=20 (edited)

i'm starting to think we can make the best list ever seen :O

we (as in rob) dont do gd username changes right?

6:54 PM

gd youtuber dmed me asking 135K subs, prolly somewhat relevant. if we do this for yt ppl and stuff lmk and ill send the username here. otherwise ill just reply saying rob doesnt rly do that

6:54 PM

yee just say not possible right now, but may be in the future

bet

6:55 PM

thx

who is bro

1:51 PM

dude grinded a little GD clickbait content for a year and wants a username change from robtop

i remember asking him to credit all the people who made mods and concepts in his ideas for future updates

1:53 PM

he never did it

Cob is annoying as hell

3:06 PM

Or was

3:06 PM

Not sure how he is in the big 25

I only know him from the matmart building really hard levels thing and he was annoying then

Had bad experiences with him 3-4 years ago

I dont know him personally so cant say

7:50 PM

hes probably chiller now from what I've seen but again I dont know them personally

7:50 PM

but ultimately doesnt matter its not getting changed anyway so nothing of our concern lol

Sley

Not sure how he is in the big 25

i just recorded a video with him and i have to say

10:57 PM

this guy's one creative motherfucker

10:58 PM

he made some insanely cool stuff i got to play through

10:58 PM

HOWEVER

10:58 PM

none of them felt quite 100%. like there would always be some fatal flaw that sets it back, like poor rng or something untested

10:58 PM

so many cases where he could have made it incredible if he just went a little further... but didnt for some reason

Colon

so many cases where he could have made it incredible if he just went a little further... but didnt for some reason

i felt this way about the video he did with you on remaking secret coins, i loved the video but i felt like he’d keep saying “colon didnt like this thing i did, so i need to make sure i dont mess that up again” and in the next level he’d not acknowledge that and do it again

11:01 PM

cob has got a lot of potential for sure

he made all of them in advance

i think his stuff can lack polish but ideas are all there

idk why he skipped so many though

Colon

he made all of them in advance

ohh he really should have made that clear then

11:03 PM

narrated it like it was one level at a time and talked like he was taking your advice on future coins in some parts

11:03 PM

but yea some of the skips confused me a lot

Auck

Click to see attachment 🖼️

cob tried to pay me to throw in a contest

7:59 AM

i realize this was a few days ago just thought it was funny seeing him brought up

Subwoofer

cob tried to pay me to throw in a contest

am i the only one that feels like the weekly demon is like

9:02 AM

way too easy?

9:02 AM

its legit a 7/8* at max

i think it passes as demon for the target audience

9:02 AM

could have seen 9 but has some demon gimmicks / timings in there

9:02 AM

very easy for skilled players

9:03 AM

i still took like 7 attempts on it which is about average for higher 9*s

Devilmine

am i the only one that feels like the weekly demon is like

https://x.com/KibaGD/status/2000537337730642040?s=20

Kiba (@KibaGD)

Fun fact! Nearly all of the random gauntlet entries released shortly before the deadline are significantly harder than the current weekly demon

9:03 AM

(that's very true btw

)

gecko

i still took like 7 attempts on it which is about average for higher 9*s

i took like 4

it took me 2

9:05 AM

again its just super skill based

wow u guys werent kidding

cparc (only urgent report tags)

wow u guys werent kidding

LOL

Romain Spaghetti

https://x.com/KibaGD/status/2000537337730642040?s=20

I 1 attempted this so easily i was literally so zoned out

9:23 AM

7-8* imo

ok what is happening why are the recent easy demon rates just not demon LOL

9:33 AM

granted in this one i had a few close calls but still

crazy

cparc (only urgent report tags)

ok what is happening why are the recent easy demon rates just not demon LOL

cynir one is also close to non demon but the last 30% brings it up

yall are just too good imo

There are a lot of other demons I can also one attempt now, you guys are just getting better to the game I think

10 attempts not even 50% on daily

cparc (only urgent report tags)

ok what is happening why are the recent easy demon rates just not demon LOL

rob was looking for a weekly last night and the rate wave was levels with 9* and demon sends

Dude spark you swag route mini wave all my levels

9:35 AM

You're GOOOD

he rated a mixture of 9s and 10s

@cparc (only urgent report tags) try this one 127331550 you can probably 1 attempt it

cparc (only urgent report tags)

ok what is happening why are the recent easy demon rates just not demon LOL

bro

9:36 AM

LOL

fuck

9:36 AM

I thought it was the weekly

9:36 AM

Ngl I prefer very easy demons than way too hard 9 stars, especially for skill based levels

we are cooked then for the rgc levels

i think easy demons have gotten way too easy

1

easy demons nowadays are hard 5* in 1.9

AgCilver🥀

we are cooked then for the rgc levels

Nah your level is fine dw D:

Building an insane 9 and an easy demon are fundamentally different

cparc (only urgent report tags)

i think easy demons have gotten way too easy

I agree

Tygore 🥀

Nah your level is fine dw D:

nah i know i am, but im talking about all the ones that are on the "borderline" xd

easy demons are part of a whole statistic you can grind, it shouldnt be handed to most on a silver platter

The gameplay is different on each difficulties beyond how hard it is, that's why most easy demons are easier because they are challenging you in other ways

AgCilver🥀

nah i know i am, but im talking about all the ones that are on the "borderline" xd

Yea, I sent around 5 levels for demon yesterday

9:39 AM

Dolphe's one is the hardest entry I tried iirc

9:40 AM

Dangerousrobot and ak's ones are demon as well for me

i remember back in 2.1 complaining about levels being way too hard for their difficulty

9:40 AM

nowadays the trend is in reverse but i dont mind it personally

No the trend is not reverse at all wtf

meant for weeklies

There are SO MANY underrated levels everyday

9:41 AM

But yea robtop tend to lower the easy demon limit

thats good imo

9:42 AM

makes it more accessible for newer players

but there are so many easy easy demons already

9:42 AM

new players have more than enough to play from

9:43 AM

doesnt mean the whole difficulty has to downgrade imo

most players dont know about them

9:43 AM

except the very popular ones

Imo the problem isn't the easy easy demons but the way too hard 9 stars that are getting way too much hate cuz they're way too hard

i preach for harder easy demons

9:43 AM

-# electric algal bloom

i wonder how many people only check weeklies and dont check demons at all

9:44 AM

+ theres also lite players

that argument isnt really valid considering they get plats like throat of the world

9:46 AM

plats are completely different tho

9:47 AM

nor they get their special weekly category

9:47 AM

(i beg for daily plats please rob i need this)

Junkrat³

-# electric algal bloom

Heat mentioned

9:49 AM

That was fairly medium though

ok yeah fair enough that one's really tough

9:50 AM

point is i think easy demon difficulty spreads can be more balanced than what it is rn

Tbh its an issue if ppl complain about 9* being too hard but easy demons being too easy

9:51 AM

ye

And easy demons being too easy will reinforce that unfair mindset even more

Devilmine

Tbh its an issue if ppl complain about 9* being too hard but easy demons being too easy

I swear it's a fundamental issue on how those levels are build

9:52 AM

There's so much to it

i had a lot of cases where i sent levels for 9 stars because i was kinda feeling like the demon difficulty of that range (which frankly should all be 9 stars or less) was oversaturated at that point

im kinda glad we got insane level achievements now but theyre still not as important as demon levels unfortunately

10:09 AM

3500+ demons and never have i 1-attempted a demon before but here we are (edited)

10:09 AM

Excluding the getting over it typa stuff for obvious reasons

(?)

inb4 "something circles"

prob just high object density

well it is strange that it gets taken off weeks after that tho

yea

someone just selfreported to me a level they stole by pure accident LOL

12:57 PM

they wanted for me to report and delete the original level they stole from but after deducting everything it basically looks like they stole the level instead because:

ID is larger
they claim they did a preview of the level which is how it got stolen but its nowhere to be seen
nong doesnt sync at all
level looks like a 5 star buffed to extreme demon
many inconsistencies

12:57 PM

LOL

reported in reports btw if yall wanna check